2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[HumbleRen]

None of this gives me Demar vibes outside of the mid range shot. Brice is an elite 3 point shooter, DD has and never will be that so it completely changes the comp to me.

[ATLTimekeeper]

You said all this to say nothing. He took Bruno over plenty of better prospects, which was a Quincy Miller style pick. Either way, you responded on your high horse to a post about a gut feeling. There are at least 10 prospects I’d take in front of GG, and that doesn’t change because of a feeling. But if we take GG it will be because Masai loves his OBVIOUS superstar potential. And I will repeat myself again since it seems like I need to simplify everything here, GG is less and less likely to reach his potential by the day in my opinion. So, if Masai takes him that’s a positive sign about the type of off-season work GG has put in.

Quincy Miller was an overhyped high school prospect that sucked in the NCAA. That was my GG - Masai link. Bruno was a shot in the dark, over Clint Capela and a guy that Denver took after Erik Green that turned out to be an MVP.

I pushed back on the idea that GG has superstar potential. Your arguments against was that you'd be a fool not to recognize that, and that he's 6"9 with guard skills. I didn't think that was solid reasoning.

[billy_hoyle]

What if he's Melo-redux? If he slays in workouts, shouldn't we want to draft him?

I'm ok drafting him, but he's not Melo. Melo has shown he could defend (guarding Kobe in the playoffs), he just didn't care or want to play defense. With Sensabaugh I'm not sure if it's a case of want or can't.

Melo was also one of the greatest scorers in history. He went head to head with LeBron James for the ROY. He led a team to the NCAA title as a freshman. Brice is a nice scorer, but there are levels to this.

I'm aware of how lofty that comparison is. I'm just saying what if?

There's a bunch of reputable scouts and draftniks that think he's the best pure scorer in the draft. That's high praise.

Whats the median outcome of the best scoring prospect per draft class? They usually get drafted very high in the draft (top 10 at least).

[BoyzNTheHood]

None of this gives me Demar vibes outside of the mid range shot. Brice is an elite 3 point shooter, DD has and never will be that so it completely changes the comp to me.

The lack of a 3 is a downside to the Demar comparison, but we can go with TJ Warren instead.

[BoyzNTheHood]

You said all this to say nothing. He took Bruno over plenty of better prospects, which was a Quincy Miller style pick. Either way, you responded on your high horse to a post about a gut feeling. There are at least 10 prospects I’d take in front of GG, and that doesn’t change because of a feeling. But if we take GG it will be because Masai loves his OBVIOUS superstar potential. And I will repeat myself again since it seems like I need to simplify everything here, GG is less and less likely to reach his potential by the day in my opinion. So, if Masai takes him that’s a positive sign about the type of off-season work GG has put in.

Quincy Miller was an overhyped high school prospect that sucked in the NCAA. That was my GG - Masai link. Bruno was a shot in the dark, over Clint Capela and a guy that Denver took after Erik Green that turned out to be an MVP.

I pushed back on the idea that GG has superstar potential. Your arguments against was that you'd be a fool not to recognize that, and that he's 6"9 with guard skills. I didn't think that was solid reasoning.

If you disagree that he has superstar potential that’s fine, but I can disagree with you as well. It’s why the draft is a crapshoot. You can’t come in here thinking your opinions are facts. Even the most solid prospect could be a bust. We’re all just guessing at the end of the day. But I like what I see in the potential department for GG, and you don’t. It’s actually okay if we have differing opinions.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'm ok drafting him, but he's not Melo. Melo has shown he could defend (guarding Kobe in the playoffs), he just didn't care or want to play defense. With Sensabaugh I'm not sure if it's a case of want or can't.

Melo was also one of the greatest scorers in history. He went head to head with LeBron James for the ROY. He led a team to the NCAA title as a freshman. Brice is a nice scorer, but there are levels to this.

I'm aware of how lofty that comparison is. I'm just saying what if?

There's a bunch of reputable scouts and draftniks that think he's the best pure scorer in the draft. That's high praise.

Whats the median outcome of the best scoring prospect per draft class? They usually get drafted very high in the draft (top 10 at least).

If you swapped Brice and Melo on the 03 Syracuse team do you think they win the championship?

[HumbleRen]

None of this gives me Demar vibes outside of the mid range shot. Brice is an elite 3 point shooter, DD has and never will be that so it completely changes the comp to me.

The lack of a 3 is a downside to the Demar comparison, but we can go with TJ Warren instead.

Wouldn't be mad at that. Anything is better than that Demar comp lol.

[Yallbecrazy]

You said all this to say nothing. He took Bruno over plenty of better prospects, which was a Quincy Miller style pick. Either way, you responded on your high horse to a post about a gut feeling. There are at least 10 prospects I’d take in front of GG, and that doesn’t change because of a feeling. But if we take GG it will be because Masai loves his OBVIOUS superstar potential. And I will repeat myself again since it seems like I need to simplify everything here, GG is less and less likely to reach his potential by the day in my opinion. So, if Masai takes him that’s a positive sign about the type of off-season work GG has put in.

Quincy Miller was an overhyped high school prospect that sucked in the NCAA. That was my GG - Masai link. Bruno was a shot in the dark, over Clint Capela and a guy that Denver took after Erik Green that turned out to be an MVP.

I pushed back on the idea that GG has superstar potential. Your arguments against was that you'd be a fool not to recognize that, and that he's 6"9 with guard skills. I didn't think that was solid reasoning.

If you disagree that he has superstar potential that’s fine, but I can disagree with you as well. It’s why the draft is a crapshoot. You can’t come in here thinking your opinions are facts. Even the most solid prospect could be a bust. We’re all just guessing at the end of the day. But I like what I see in the potential department for GG, and you don’t. It’s actually okay if we have differing opinions.

I think ATLTK was the one who posted an extensive list of players who were drafted high with a college BPM under 3 and I think one of them became a contributor in the NBA and the rest were all busts. I forget who it was, but their college BPM was just under 3. There were a few successful guys with college BPMs between 3 and 5, but again mostly busts. GG's was -0.1...his chance of eventually being a rotational player in the NBA has to be less than 5%.

There was a fairly high level discussion a few threads ago and BPM doesn't guarantee success by any means, but it predicts failure really well.

[bballsparkin]

Imagine this dude playing against you and seemingly getting every loose ball because he’s “lucky”

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Looks like a short Dennis Rodman out there!

[billy_hoyle]

Melo was also one of the greatest scorers in history. He went head to head with LeBron James for the ROY. He led a team to the NCAA title as a freshman. Brice is a nice scorer, but there are levels to this.

I'm aware of how lofty that comparison is. I'm just saying what if?

There's a bunch of reputable scouts and draftniks that think he's the best pure scorer in the draft. That's high praise.

Whats the median outcome of the best scoring prospect per draft class? They usually get drafted very high in the draft (top 10 at least).

If you swapped Brice and Melo on the 03 Syracuse team do you think they win the championship?

Sorry, I think you are misunderstanding me. I don't think he and Melo are comparable prospects. Melo was a top 10 scoring prospect from the past 20 years. Not only that, he actually became an all NBA level player based on his scoring ability.

I'm merely noting that there is a chance that the best scoring prospect ends up the best scorer in a draft class (I said Melo because their games and archetypes are roughly similar - I can't think of another 'chunky' power wing that was the best scorer in their class).

[WuTang_CMB]

Don't see how he doesn't go top 5. Top 3pt shooter and defense. Grew up as a centre and now has wing skills. Fits our profile to a T

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Carmelo Anthony sucked at basketball.

[Raptorfan2012]

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Guy can barely get off the ground; has a nice shot and I’m sure he has good ball iq, but his lack of athleticism scares me.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'm aware of how lofty that comparison is. I'm just saying what if?

There's a bunch of reputable scouts and draftniks that think he's the best pure scorer in the draft. That's high praise.

Whats the median outcome of the best scoring prospect per draft class? They usually get drafted very high in the draft (top 10 at least).

If you swapped Brice and Melo on the 03 Syracuse team do you think they win the championship?

Sorry, I think you are misunderstanding me. I don't think he and Melo are comparable prospects. Melo was a top 10 scoring prospect from the past 20 years. Not only that, he actually became an all NBA level player based on his scoring ability.

I'm merely noting that there is a chance that the best scoring prospect ends up the best scorer in a draft class (I said Melo because their games and archetypes are roughly similar - I can't think of another 'chunky' power wing that was the best scorer in their class).

Fair enough. It’s true that they’re both bulkier scoring types. I can see a comparison scoring wise because Brice has been amazing offensively all year.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Raptorfan2012]

I think the closest comp for Sensabaugh is Demar with a three-point shot but less athleticism. The footwork and midrange fade are very Demar-like. For those that say Demar was a good playmaker, he wasn't a playmaker in college or in his first three years. He developed that over time. He didn't pass the 2 assist plateau until his 4th year in the NBA.

Brice reminds me of a slightly less athletic version of Zion Williamson..just his body shape and ability to score

[HumbleRen]

Don't see how he doesn't go top 5. Top 3pt shooter and defense. Grew up as a centre and now has wing skills. Fits our profile to a T

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Going to be the 4th pick.

[Psubs]

ya ive jumped around a bit, but im all aboard the Hawkins train now.

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An offensive minded coach can do some great things with Scottie-Hawkins moving forward.

Imagine if JJ Redick was the coach??!?!?! Really though, I like Dick more. His length won't be as bothered as Hawkins at 6'5. Will
Jordan Hawkins be like Hersey Hawkins? Don't tell me he's his son!?!?!?

Jordan v Hawkins

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[Psubs]

I'm aware of how lofty that comparison is. I'm just saying what if?

There's a bunch of reputable scouts and draftniks that think he's the best pure scorer in the draft. That's high praise.

Whats the median outcome of the best scoring prospect per draft class? They usually get drafted very high in the draft (top 10 at least).

If you swapped Brice and Melo on the 03 Syracuse team do you think they win the championship?

Sorry, I think you are misunderstanding me. I don't think he and Melo are comparable prospects. Melo was a top 10 scoring prospect from the past 20 years. Not only that, he actually became an all NBA level player based on his scoring ability.

I'm merely noting that there is a chance that the best scoring prospect ends up the best scorer in a draft class (I said Melo because their games and archetypes are roughly similar - I can't think of another 'chunky' power wing that was the best scorer in their class).

Ya, Melo is 6'8 and Brice is 6'6, when you're not an above the rim player at SF/PF, that matters. It's like Pascal unable to dunk on people like Giannis because Giannis is 2 inches taller.

I could see Brice being a 6'6 TJ Warren, who was drafted 14th overall in 2014. Never put up over 2 assists per game and A/T around 1.

[billy_hoyle]

If you swapped Brice and Melo on the 03 Syracuse team do you think they win the championship?

Sorry, I think you are misunderstanding me. I don't think he and Melo are comparable prospects. Melo was a top 10 scoring prospect from the past 20 years. Not only that, he actually became an all NBA level player based on his scoring ability.

I'm merely noting that there is a chance that the best scoring prospect ends up the best scorer in a draft class (I said Melo because their games and archetypes are roughly similar - I can't think of another 'chunky' power wing that was the best scorer in their class).

Ya, Melo is 6'8 and Brice is 6'6, when you're not an above the rim player at SF/PF, that matters. It's like Pascal unable to dunk on people like Giannis because Giannis is 2 inches taller.

I could see Brice being a 6'6 TJ Warren, who was drafted 14th overall in 2014. Never put up over 2 assists per game and A/T around 1.

I think TJ is a legitimate comp. I wouldn't be surprised if that level was Brices outcome. Based on the eye test and metrics I think his ceiling is higher though.