Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[MagicBagley18]

I’m not sure I agree Jaylen asks out if we lose but if he did I don’t think that that will ultimately leave to Tatum leaving in 2 years

Why would Tatum stay? To play with who?

I’d imagine brad stevens would still make moves and update the roster after Jaylen brown leaves…don’t think the job stops. I also believe Tatum has clout in the league and would be able to attract others and I don’t think Tatum’s future here relies on brown…at all

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[Duke4life831]

As an outsider who has been watching this group for awhile now (also rooting for you guys to win it all because of Tatum). I do think there is a lot of beating around the bush and trying to find ways to mask the main problem with this core.

There is just a lack of creating easy shots for others in my opinion. I think guys have improved in this area, but when the games get tight and pressure kicks up, I think muscle memory just kicks in. And when Tatum and Brown are the two primary guys in the offense (top 2 in touches, shots, and time per possession in the playoffs), neither one of these guys are great facilitators. Again Ive been praising Tatum's growth here, but that growth is more along the lines of he makes those solid open passes now. But neither guy are point forwards, you cant count on either one of them when it comes to putting the ball in their hands and consistently creating and finding open shots for either them or others. Too often they get tunnel vision and will settle for their own tough contested shot and you can see teammates know this as well and you see a lot of standing around and watching.

Again to be clear, Im not saying neither one of these guys are capable of making plays for others. Its just both guys are wired to be scorers. Muscle memory kicks in and that is what theyre going to be looking to do.

I see Bradley Beals name as a replacement for one of them or Collins as a 3rd guy. I just dont think either really solves the issue at its core. I think the core issue is the culture is set by the stars and those guys have a score first and second mentality. I think if this continues to be an issue, you made need a cultural shift and bring in a PG that is a legit facilitator or a wing that can actually play that point forward role.

[Celts17Pride]

I’m not sure I agree Jaylen asks out if we lose but if he did I don’t think that that will ultimately leave to Tatum leaving in 2 years

Why would Tatum stay? To play with who?

I’d imagine brad stevens would still make moves and update the roster after Jaylen brown leaves…don’t think the job stops. I also believe Tatum has clout in the league and would be able to attract others and I don’t think Tatum’s future here relies on brown…at all

Job doesn't stop but the Celtics even with Brown leaving are in salary cap hell. Going to be tough to bring in a player as good as Brown. I personally think the whole thing would unravel which is a shame.

[MagicBagley18]

Why would Tatum stay? To play with who?

I’d imagine brad stevens would still make moves and update the roster after Jaylen brown leaves…don’t think the job stops. I also believe Tatum has clout in the league and would be able to attract others and I don’t think Tatum’s future here relies on brown…at all

Job doesn't stop but the Celtics even with Brown leaving are in salary cap hell. Going to be tough to bring in a player as good as Brown. I personally think the whole thing would unravel which is a shame.

We can just agree to disagree I don’t think brown is the key to things not unraveling

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I think they absolutely have to address the front-court. Love Al but he is 37 and cannot bring it every night. Williams isn't reliable, he looks like a shell of himself and quite honesty has been a big disappointment in the playoffs. Blake and Kornet are break the glass in case of emergency players.

[snowman]

I think they absolutely have to address the front-court. Love Al but he is 37 and cannot bring it every night. Williams isn't reliable, he looks like a shell of himself and quite honesty has been a big disappointment in the playoffs. Blake and Kornet are break the glass in case of emergency players.

That is why I'm in favor of bringing Al off the bench and starting Rob. Same minutes rotation, but Rob will be more active at the beginning of the game defensively.

Also, Max Brown out, even if you decide to trade him later. It's the best decision. Then max Tatum out next time he is eligible.

[Celts17Pride]

I think they absolutely have to address the front-court. Love Al but he is 37 and cannot bring it every night. Williams isn't reliable, he looks like a shell of himself and quite honesty has been a big disappointment in the playoffs. Blake and Kornet are break the glass in case of emergency players.

That is why I'm in favor of bringing Al off the bench and starting Rob. Same minutes rotation, but Rob will be more active at the beginning of the game defensively.

Also, Max Brown out, even if you decide to trade him later. It's the best decision. Then max Tatum out next time he is eligible.

For me I'm offering Brogdan, R Williams, Hauser and multiple draft picks to see what the biggest fish I can find and then go from there. Maybe it's nothing but maybe it's something.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I think they absolutely have to address the front-court. Love Al but he is 37 and cannot bring it every night. Williams isn't reliable, he looks like a shell of himself and quite honesty has been a big disappointment in the playoffs. Blake and Kornet are break the glass in case of emergency players.

That is why I'm in favor of bringing Al off the bench and starting Rob. Same minutes rotation, but Rob will be more active at the beginning of the game defensively.

Also, Max Brown out, even if you decide to trade him later. It's the best decision. Then max Tatum out next time he is eligible.

I am all for starting Williams but I truly believe Boston ultimately will put themselves in a bad position if they do that because Rob is going to miss at least 40 games a year then they'll be scrambling around trying to fill in his minutes.

[Larry_Russell]

So can we nownsupermax brown and trade him for dame?

[playa-hater]

So can we nownsupermax brown and trade him for dame?

I definitely don't want to get Older if we trade Brown.. And the idea of paying him 5 years 295 million dollars is crazy to me..

I really want some sort of bidding war between Atlanta and Houston and maybe some 3rd surprise team for Brown..

Definitely not Dane

[Hal14]

Thinking about the roster a little bit more after last night's game:

I think our top 7 guys are all coming back.

-Tatum is obviously back
-JB ain't going nowhere. He's signing that supermax deal. Him and Tatum are brothers - you can clearly see the bond they have.

Brad's job is to get JB signed to that extension. Then, just continue to put the right pieces around the Jays.

The right pieces are guys who can either shoot it really well, pass it really well, can be a lob threat, can handle the ball as a secondary ball handler / additional offensive creator, or a really good defender. Those 5 things, the more of those things you can do, the better. We need at least 3 (4 or 5 is even better) shooters on the floor at all times.

-Smart isn't going anywhere. As someone else pointed out on here, we don't have enough guys with a ton of toughness, grit. That fearlessness he plays with, the way he puts his body on the line every game. We need that. Plus he's a great defender, good passer, and also comes up with some big buckets for us to help take the pressure of the Jays. He's been here 9 years, great chemistry (on and off the court) with the Jays.

-Al. The leadership he brings. The IQ he plays with. The defensive versatility. The shooting he brings as a big. The way he makes the right basketball play. His experience, playing in the league for a million years. Very valuable piece. He might not be a starter anymore (beginning next season) but if he doesn't start anymore, we know he'll be a very valuable player off the bench

-White. Also fits that mold of "always makes the right basketball play" and plays unselfishly, moves the ball, finds the open man. Can score (from 3 or on drives) but his first priority when he has the ball is finding an open teammate (same with smart, usually). Plus, awesome defender. Not going anywhere. Whether he starts or comes off the bench, he's a valuable piece. Pencil him in for someone around 27-30 mins a game

-Rob. yes, we all wish he could be more durable. But he's on a team-friendly contract. Hopefully, a full offseason of rest and treatment will result in a healthier rob next season. Just try to not go too crazy with his mins next year (I'm thinking 27-29 mins a game. Hopefully he can handle that) and he should be back in the starting lineup. Good passer. Elite lob threat and elite defender, rim protector. So he definitely checks a bunch of boxes in terms of things that you need to be a good team.

-Brogdon. Perhaps the most replaceable member of the top 7 (especially given his contract which is kind of expensive and perhaps you move him for a PF/C (someone who can play next to either Rob or Al). But I lean towards keeping him, because he brings so many things that help this team. Mainly, the shooting. His outside shooting has been so good and so consistent all season - a sniper like that is a must next to the Jays. Plus, he's probably our best ball handler, other than Tatum. That secondary ball handler, secondary offensive creator + shooting is a good complimentary piece. Decent enough defender (really showed something last night on that play where he was switched onto Embiid, he fought like hell to not let Embiid score) and is just a veteran. A proven vet who can produce in this league. A true professional, on and off the court. He had other options but chose to come here - and has said tons of positive things in interviews about being here.

You bring back those 7 guys. Then just try to fill out the rest of the roster as best you can.

Pritchard - he's gone. He wants out, obviously. Trade him - get the best return you can

Hauser - he's probably back. The shooting at that size is valuable. Plays unselfishly, moves the ball, doesn't over-dribble, doesn't hold onto it. Holds his own on D. He's more than likely back as a 9th/10th man. But who knows, if you can put him in a package for someone better, go ahead and do it. He's 25 (turns 26 later this year) so probably not going to get much better. If he can't get minutes in the playoffs now, will he be good enough to get mins in the playoffs ever? Mine as well keep him, though. Dirt cheap contract, gets along great with the guys, good guy for vibes. You need wings off the bench.

Grant - he might be gone. IDK. On one hand, the way the CBA works, it lends itself to resigning your own players. So it's not so easy to just say "Oh, instead of giving Grant $15 mil a year, let's sign a better player with that $15 mil a year". No, we don't have $15 mil a year to spend. But we can spend it on Grant. So on one hand, I say keep him - good shooter, decent defender, strong as hell physically, tough as hell. Meshes well with this core, especially Tatum (those 2 seem very close, obviously). But the shooting can be inconsistent, the defense can be inconsistent, mouths off to the refs too much, sometimes got in trouble trying to do too much off the dribble and as a result, not getting many mins in the playoffs. For a guy who's not even really in the playoff rotation, how much will Brad pay him - maybe $12 mil a year? What if another team (one that isn't as deeper or talented as we are) is willing to offer him $18 mil a year, since that team can give him more of a role. Perhaps he signs elsewhere - perhaps we try to get something for him in that scenario with a S&T, even if it's just to score a TPE and/or pick(s).

Champagnie - assuming he'll be on our summer league team. will be interesting to see how he plays compared to how Begarin plays. I can see 1 of them getting one of the last roster spots - but not both. We'll know more in summer league but I like Champagnie. He was more known for his defense and rebounding coming out of college, but in the g league this season he averaged 19 PPG at age 21. I don't know if anyone has averaged that many points in the g league before at such a young age. So there's potential there.

Gallo - IDK. Part of me thinks that at age 34, coming off a 2nd ACL surgery, his career might be pretty much over. He might not play another meaningful minute in the league. We'll see. He's got a player option for like $6 mil so obviously he'll exercise it. But Brad could trade him. Thing is, no team is gonna trade for a 34 yr old coming off their 2nd ACL surgery. So you're pretty much stuck with him. Just hope he can contribute something next season and then after that he either retires or maybe signs on a minimum deal (here or somewhere else).

Kornet - good guy for the vibes, his sense of humor helps to keep everyone loose. Brad loves him. But he's just not that good. I guess we can keep him as an emergency depth big man. But if you can replace him with someone better (who's a big, or maybe a different position) then go ahead and do it. Out of the things we need in a supporting player (shooting, elite defense, good secondary ball handler / secondary offensive creator, really good passer, really good lob threat) Kornet doesn't really give you any of those things. Muscala at least gives you really good shooting. Griffin doesn't really give you any of them either. Both Kornet and Griffin are good for the vibes. At least Kornet is a decent lob threat, which gives vertical spacing. Griffin gives some hustle/toughness/grit.

So IDK. I think between Kornet, Griffin and Muscala, you bring back 1 or 2 of them. I doubt all 3 of them are back - especially with Gallo likely returning. Perhaps you get rid of 1 or 2 of them so you can sign a different big who checks more of the boxes that we need in a supporting player.

[Larry_Russell]

Suns reportedly going to aggressively shop Paul

Brogdon and Muscala for Chris Paul


Paul/Pritchard/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Brown/??/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo/Grant
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

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Suns reportedly going to aggressively shop Paul

Brogdon and Muscala for Chris Paul


Paul/Pritchard/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Brown/??/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo/Grant
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

consider first what you expect to get from 39-year-old Chris Paul in the 2024 playoffs
I don't think I'd do that even if they sent us two 1sts

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Suns reportedly going to aggressively shop Paul

Brogdon and Muscala for Chris Paul


Paul/Pritchard/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Brown/??/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo/Grant
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Lmao Chris Paul.. go YouTube all his previous Playoffs! He always got injured. Maybe Muscala for Chris Paul only

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Celtics Trade Of The Day

In light of the Suns interest in White and the Celtics need for a young Big who could have an impact,
White and Grant (S&T) for Ayton.

The Suns get their Paul replacement and add necessary depth to the team with Williams, and the Celtics solve their
Big weakness. Ayton is not perfect defensively, but he is a presence, a large presence offensively and the deal makes some sense
for both clubs.

[snowman]

Thinking about the roster a little bit more after last night's game:

I think our top 7 guys are all coming back.

-Tatum is obviously back
-JB ain't going nowhere. He's signing that supermax deal. Him and Tatum are brothers - you can clearly see the bond they have.

Brad's job is to get JB signed to that extension. Then, just continue to put the right pieces around the Jays.

The right pieces are guys who can either shoot it really well, pass it really well, can be a lob threat, can handle the ball as a secondary ball handler / additional offensive creator, or a really good defender. Those 5 things, the more of those things you can do, the better. We need at least 3 (4 or 5 is even better) shooters on the floor at all times.

-Smart isn't going anywhere. As someone else pointed out on here, we don't have enough guys with a ton of toughness, grit. That fearlessness he plays with, the way he puts his body on the line every game. We need that. Plus he's a great defender, good passer, and also comes up with some big buckets for us to help take the pressure of the Jays. He's been here 9 years, great chemistry (on and off the court) with the Jays.

-Al. The leadership he brings. The IQ he plays with. The defensive versatility. The shooting he brings as a big. The way he makes the right basketball play. His experience, playing in the league for a million years. Very valuable piece. He might not be a starter anymore (beginning next season) but if he doesn't start anymore, we know he'll be a very valuable player off the bench

-White. Also fits that mold of "always makes the right basketball play" and plays unselfishly, moves the ball, finds the open man. Can score (from 3 or on drives) but his first priority when he has the ball is finding an open teammate (same with smart, usually). Plus, awesome defender. Not going anywhere. Whether he starts or comes off the bench, he's a valuable piece. Pencil him in for someone around 27-30 mins a game

-Rob. yes, we all wish he could be more durable. But he's on a team-friendly contract. Hopefully, a full offseason of rest and treatment will result in a healthier rob next season. Just try to not go too crazy with his mins next year (I'm thinking 27-29 mins a game. Hopefully he can handle that) and he should be back in the starting lineup. Good passer. Elite lob threat and elite defender, rim protector. So he definitely checks a bunch of boxes in terms of things that you need to be a good team.

-Brogdon. Perhaps the most replaceable member of the top 7 (especially given his contract which is kind of expensive and perhaps you move him for a PF/C (someone who can play next to either Rob or Al). But I lean towards keeping him, because he brings so many things that help this team. Mainly, the shooting. His outside shooting has been so good and so consistent all season - a sniper like that is a must next to the Jays. Plus, he's probably our best ball handler, other than Tatum. That secondary ball handler, secondary offensive creator + shooting is a good complimentary piece. Decent enough defender (really showed something last night on that play where he was switched onto Embiid, he fought like hell to not let Embiid score) and is just a veteran. A proven vet who can produce in this league. A true professional, on and off the court. He had other options but chose to come here - and has said tons of positive things in interviews about being here.

You bring back those 7 guys. Then just try to fill out the rest of the roster as best you can.

Pritchard - he's gone. He wants out, obviously. Trade him - get the best return you can

Hauser - he's probably back. The shooting at that size is valuable. Plays unselfishly, moves the ball, doesn't over-dribble, doesn't hold onto it. Holds his own on D. He's more than likely back as a 9th/10th man. But who knows, if you can put him in a package for someone better, go ahead and do it. He's 25 (turns 26 later this year) so probably not going to get much better. If he can't get minutes in the playoffs now, will he be good enough to get mins in the playoffs ever? Mine as well keep him, though. Dirt cheap contract, gets along great with the guys, good guy for vibes. You need wings off the bench.

Grant - he might be gone. IDK. On one hand, the way the CBA works, it lends itself to resigning your own players. So it's not so easy to just say "Oh, instead of giving Grant $15 mil a year, let's sign a better player with that $15 mil a year". No, we don't have $15 mil a year to spend. But we can spend it on Grant. So on one hand, I say keep him - good shooter, decent defender, strong as hell physically, tough as hell. Meshes well with this core, especially Tatum (those 2 seem very close, obviously). But the shooting can be inconsistent, the defense can be inconsistent, mouths off to the refs too much, sometimes got in trouble trying to do too much off the dribble and as a result, not getting many mins in the playoffs. For a guy who's not even really in the playoff rotation, how much will Brad pay him - maybe $12 mil a year? What if another team (one that isn't as deeper or talented as we are) is willing to offer him $18 mil a year, since that team can give him more of a role. Perhaps he signs elsewhere - perhaps we try to get something for him in that scenario with a S&T, even if it's just to score a TPE and/or pick(s).

Champagnie - assuming he'll be on our summer league team. will be interesting to see how he plays compared to how Begarin plays. I can see 1 of them getting one of the last roster spots - but not both. We'll know more in summer league but I like Champagnie. He was more known for his defense and rebounding coming out of college, but in the g league this season he averaged 19 PPG at age 21. I don't know if anyone has averaged that many points in the g league before at such a young age. So there's potential there.

Gallo - IDK. Part of me thinks that at age 34, coming off a 2nd ACL surgery, his career might be pretty much over. He might not play another meaningful minute in the league. We'll see. He's got a player option for like $6 mil so obviously he'll exercise it. But Brad could trade him. Thing is, no team is gonna trade for a 34 yr old coming off their 2nd ACL surgery. So you're pretty much stuck with him. Just hope he can contribute something next season and then after that he either retires or maybe signs on a minimum deal (here or somewhere else).

Kornet - good guy for the vibes, his sense of humor helps to keep everyone loose. Brad loves him. But he's just not that good. I guess we can keep him as an emergency depth big man. But if you can replace him with someone better (who's a big, or maybe a different position) then go ahead and do it. Out of the things we need in a supporting player (shooting, elite defense, good secondary ball handler / secondary offensive creator, really good passer, really good lob threat) Kornet doesn't really give you any of those things. Muscala at least gives you really good shooting. Griffin doesn't really give you any of them either. Both Kornet and Griffin are good for the vibes. At least Kornet is a decent lob threat, which gives vertical spacing. Griffin gives some hustle/toughness/grit.

So IDK. I think between Kornet, Griffin and Muscala, you bring back 1 or 2 of them. I doubt all 3 of them are back - especially with Gallo likely returning. Perhaps you get rid of 1 or 2 of them so you can sign a different big who checks more of the boxes that we need in a supporting player.

Hal, you and I are on the same page all the way. I agree with your top seven. I agree with keeping Hauser. I agree with keeping only one or two of Muscala, Kornet and Griffin. Gallo will pick up his option, and I would go with Muscala. Griffin is a feel-good story, but we need the roster space. So in my mind that's 10. Pritchard is gone, get what you can for him. Davison can replace him. That's 11. I like a Champagnie / Begarin battle in summer league and keeping one of them. That's 12. I agree with your thoughts on Grant, almost have to resign him, but where do you draw the line? Resign him for too much, and he does not live up to the contract, it will be hard to trade him. I would be thinking that 4 /48 might be my line in the sand. That would be 13 if we resign him.

I really want us to sign Kabengele to a minimum deal, like Hauser as a 5th or 6th big. Even though he is already 25, he would be 6 fouls to give on some of the larger front court players we face and can cover end of blowout games if needed. Although, I don't think we have seen the best of him yet. Him being able to spend more time with Big Al and Rob would really help him IMHO. So, I'm calling that 14. I would rather have Kabengele than Kornet or Griffin.

That's gives us:
Smart, Brown. Tatum, Horford, Rob
White, Brogden, Hauser, Grant, Gallo
Davison, (Champagnie / Begarin) Muscalla, Kabengele

That leaves us with 1 roster spot and 3 2-ways open.

[snowman]

Celtics Trade Of The Day

In light of the Suns interest in White and the Celtics need for a young Big who could have an impact,
White and Grant (S&T) for Ayton.

The Suns get their Paul replacement and add necessary depth to the team with Williams, and the Celtics solve their
Big weakness. Ayton is not perfect defensively, but he is a presence, a large presence offensively and the deal makes some sense
for both clubs.

Can't afford to trade for Ayton. He makes as much as Tatum and Brown, so we would have to gut our top seven to get the pieces/matching salary to pull it off.

[Fierce1]

Celtics Trade Of The Day

In light of the Suns interest in White and the Celtics need for a young Big who could have an impact,
White and Grant (S&T) for Ayton.

The Suns get their Paul replacement and add necessary depth to the team with Williams, and the Celtics solve their
Big weakness. Ayton is not perfect defensively, but he is a presence, a large presence offensively and the deal makes some sense
for both clubs.

Can't afford to trade for Ayton. He makes as much as Tatum and Brown, so we would have to gut our top seven to get the pieces/matching salary to pull it off.

Grant and White for Ayton works.

[Kalela]

So can we nownsupermax brown and trade him for dame?

I definitely don't want to get Older if we trade Brown.. And the idea of paying him 5 years 295 million dollars is crazy to me..

I really want some sort of bidding war between Atlanta and Houston and maybe some 3rd surprise team for Brown..

Definitely not Dane

Brown for Hunter and Okongwu may not be as bad a trade as some would think. Hunter can end up as good as Brown in Boston and Okongwu would be an almost perfect replacement for Horford. If you can get more from the Hawks like Jalen Johnson, even better. I am not sure either team would do it though.