Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I wonder if we can finally get something for Trash-bias ala the Lakers’ Westbrook trade.

That's what I'm hoping for. Lakers turned Westbrook into Jared Vanderbilt and D'Lo! Surely we can do something similar.

There were rumors about “league office assistance” with that trade. The Lakers clearly and unsurprisingly got over on that deal.

Need I remind anyone of the last time the Sixers got “league office assistance”?

Oh it was total bull$hit. I agree. You make a good point. Despite Harris being better than Westbrook, we would never get that kind of return.

[Dnt hate]

I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings. Not necessarily to the exact way, but with a similar approach in mind. I think Embiid really needs to take some notes from Tim Duncan and how he did things during his Spurs days. Not only is it going to expand his career, but it's going to settle him down. People have compared Maxey to Tony Parker many many times and I see the comps. The thing with Maxey is that he's ascending...He's going to get better and better as time goes on. I think we really just need to retool around Embiid and Maxey and see what happens before we go into a full on rebuild. If we can let Harden go and get some sort of compensation in return for him then I'd be all for it. But while Embiid and Maxey are here, I think we really need to take a long hard look at the blueprint of San Antonio's success all those years. Morey needs to make smart decisions this summer. It'd be great to end up with another addition as impactful as Melton was for us. It would also be great if he could somehow swing a Tobias Harris trade with a team looking for future cap space or to rebuild.

I agree on this as well, but we need to find a Ginobili

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings. Not necessarily to the exact way, but with a similar approach in mind. I think Embiid really needs to take some notes from Tim Duncan and how he did things during his Spurs days. Not only is it going to expand his career, but it's going to settle him down. People have compared Maxey to Tony Parker many many times and I see the comps. The thing with Maxey is that he's ascending...He's going to get better and better as time goes on. I think we really just need to retool around Embiid and Maxey and see what happens before we go into a full on rebuild. If we can let Harden go and get some sort of compensation in return for him then I'd be all for it. But while Embiid and Maxey are here, I think we really need to take a long hard look at the blueprint of San Antonio's success all those years. Morey needs to make smart decisions this summer. It'd be great to end up with another addition as impactful as Melton was for us. It would also be great if he could somehow swing a Tobias Harris trade with a team looking for future cap space or to rebuild.

I agree on this as well, but we need to find a Ginobili

Well I didn't necessarily say that we CAN be the Spurs. I mainly said that Maxey draws comparisons to Parker and that Embiid should really try and take notes from how Tim Duncan played the game... Just to improve his game. That's all I was saying. A few people have taken it out of context and replied rudely. Not what I meant to have happen at all.

[Iverson Armband]

Fixed.

Not exploring it would be malpractice, period.

Doing it would be financial suicide from a business standpoint. First of all, you're never going to get 'equal value', whatever that is, because anyone trading for Embiid is looking to win now and isn't giving up any valuable pieces. So you're looking at picks and youth, which means a rebuild, which means an empty building. Good luck selling that to an owner who has been accustomed to getting 50+ win seasons, sellouts, merchandise sales, and playoff revenue.

Talking about it in forums like this might be fun, but for all practical purposes it is pure fantasy.

After the way they just went out and the growing apathy after they’ve choked year after year, I’m not so sure this team will be as lucrative moving forward as you seem to think they will.

The playoffs are where real stars are born and Embiid has seriously damaged his rep after this performance IMO. This team is now officially where we never wanted to be..on the treadmill. That doesn’t change whether we have Joel or not, which has been PROVEN. Joel is not a Batman, I don’t give two Fs about a regular season MVP trophy he probably should have never won, honestly.

Off the top of my head, Phoenix gave up valuable pieces for KD. It can happen.

[sortpar]

All this 'trade Embiid' talk is beyond foolish. Guys, this is a business first and foremost, and Embiid is a superstar and face of the franchise coming off an MVP season. His presence spells ticket and merchandise sales. Players like Embiid aren't traded unless they demand to be. So can we move on from pure fantasy, please?

Embiid is like Siakim at this point, they are both 1B's looking for a 1A player to lead the team.

[Arsenal]

Agree. He was throughly outclassed by Tatum. That’s what a real 1A does. Something Jo has never done when it counts.

[Dnt hate]

I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings. Not necessarily to the exact way, but with a similar approach in mind. I think Embiid really needs to take some notes from Tim Duncan and how he did things during his Spurs days. Not only is it going to expand his career, but it's going to settle him down. People have compared Maxey to Tony Parker many many times and I see the comps. The thing with Maxey is that he's ascending...He's going to get better and better as time goes on. I think we really just need to retool around Embiid and Maxey and see what happens before we go into a full on rebuild. If we can let Harden go and get some sort of compensation in return for him then I'd be all for it. But while Embiid and Maxey are here, I think we really need to take a long hard look at the blueprint of San Antonio's success all those years. Morey needs to make smart decisions this summer. It'd be great to end up with another addition as impactful as Melton was for us. It would also be great if he could somehow swing a Tobias Harris trade with a team looking for future cap space or to rebuild.

I agree on this as well, but we need to find a Ginobili

Well I didn't necessarily say that we CAN be the Spurs. I mainly said that Maxey draws comparisons to Parker and that Embiid should really try and take notes from how Tim Duncan played the game... Just to improve his game. That's all I was saying. A few people have taken it out of context and replied rudely. Not what I meant to have happen at all.

If u think of all the great big men, none of them won anything without a great perimeter player except for maybe Hakeem. I've been saying in order for us to winEmbiid needs to be a 20 n 10 guy with maximum effort on defense. Not an iso guy, we won't win if we dump the ball to him every possession. We need a creative new coach to use him and Maxey better than **** Doc has

[NYSixersFan]

It's hard for a Center to be the 1A. You need a dominant ball handler who can consistently make plays.

[Mik317]

just keep making trades I am sure it will work out THIS time.

[damanick10]

reported...Try and do better man. We don't appreciate you coming here to start unnecessary fights.

LOL who am I fighting with? Its a message board FFS half of your posters are saying the same ****

Oh yeah, lets act like you have no clue what I'm talking about. Look, I reported it, I'm sure a mod will eventually drop you message and remind you stop being the vaxatious troll that you are proving to be. The other posters saying the same things post here regularly and have been for years. They've earned the right to post about the team and the players that they follow. You on the other hand are only showing up to rub in our face and add to the misery. Congrats on that. You're being a glorified prick on a message board that you never post on. I hope it gives your life meaning and purpose.

[Jay555]

It's hard for a Center to be the 1A. You need a dominant ball handler who can consistently make plays.

Anthony Davis is def IA.

Biid needs to lose weight and just be like that dude.

AD grabs 20 boards a game vs the Warriors. He plays top notch D, can face up and shoot pull up J and be a lob threat.

He does not operate from the elbow. He willingly plays pick and roll with his guards. Heck, I think even AD in the elbow can still be better than Embiid ever will be.

How many boards did Embiid grab? 1 at the half.

What did he say after G6? not enough touches. Now you got all the touches in the world, you laid an egg.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I agree on this as well, but we need to find a Ginobili

Well I didn't necessarily say that we CAN be the Spurs. I mainly said that Maxey draws comparisons to Parker and that Embiid should really try and take notes from how Tim Duncan played the game... Just to improve his game. That's all I was saying. A few people have taken it out of context and replied rudely. Not what I meant to have happen at all.

If u think of all the great big men, none of them won anything without a great perimeter player except for maybe Hakeem. I've been saying in order for us to winEmbiid needs to be a 20 n 10 guy with maximum effort on defense. Not an iso guy, we won't win if we dump the ball to him every possession. We need a creative new coach to use him and Maxey better than **** Doc has

Even Hakeem had good guard play. Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Drexler, Vernon Maxwell, Mario Elie. Those guys got it done collectively. I agree though. We need a shot maker to pair with Maxey. I just don't know who. I don't know much right now other than we lost

[Iverson Armband]

It's hard for a Center to be the 1A. You need a dominant ball handler who can consistently make plays.

Anthony Davis is def IA.

Biid needs to lose weight and just be like that dude.

AD grabs 20 boards a game vs the Warriors. He plays top notch D, can face up and shoot pull up J and be a lob threat.

He does not operate from the elbow. He willingly plays pick and roll with his guards. Heck, I think even AD in the elbow can still be better than Embiid ever will be.

How many boards did Embiid grab? 1 at the half.

What did he say after G6? not enough touches. Now you got all the touches in the world, you laid an egg.

As has been mentioned numerous times, Embiid has been selfishly gunning for the MVP. Hopefully that’s over now. He wasn’t going to win that basically being DPOY/Clint Cappella on steroids. I also think Simmons being an absolute dud messed him up and forced him to shoulder more of a load offensively…and he fell in love with it. He now needs to willingly take a backseat. To be fair, there really isn’t another player currenly on the roster who deserves to take more shots than him, but hopefully Maxey can become that guy or they trade Maxey for someone who can.

[TheBallsDeeper]

This is what the jazz got for rudy gobert

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multiple first round picks as in 2023, 2025, 2026 pick swap, 2027, 2029.....



sorry, but its time to start exploring an embiid trade...

As Kerry Packer said - you only ever get one Alan Bond.

A trade that bad will never happen again.

[Mik317]

its not about the players at this stage.

team needs a different approach.

PNR was our only option and when it got blown up the fall back was to spam 3s or hope slow isos worked.

Biid needs to become better off ball and more decisive on ball. Everything else takes too much time to develop and its also predictable which in a 7 game series is the worst thing you can be. The current offense also relies too heavily on jumpers specifically mid range ones...not sure why Biid was off perhaps the knee but regardless its not something the whole offense should be built around because of its unreliability. This needs to be our plan C offense at best IMO.

This will require a more creative coaching staff and more playmakers in general. Hopefully Maxey improves but we cannot go into next season with only Harden (or his replacement) as the main ballhandler. Team also could stand to get more athletic in general...that will make up for Biid's off and on rebounding effort and the fast break defense as well.


I am very pissed...if only because I have to hear the WIP level takes for the next few months but I think some are being way too rash at the moment and aren't really thinking. There are methods to improvement that won't require a total implosion.

Speaking of total implosion...lets say we do....you do know that the next few draft classes aren't set to be that great? You also realize that many of the recent rebuilding teams are STILL rebuilding? Even the ones who have made it out...like the Pels and Grizzlies aren't exactly having a easy go of it. The Final Four are all teams whose core is the basically the same from 2020 lol. I am sure Lakers fans were iching to rid themselves of AD a mere few months ago. Hell some Nuggets fans were looking for trades for Murray a game or two ago lol. I am mad and disappointed in Embiid too. But lets take a step or two back; relax and not do anything based off of emotion.

or do it and you better not be here whining about ANYTHING the happens afterwards lol.

[TheBallsDeeper]

I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings. Not necessarily to the exact way, but with a similar approach in mind. I think Embiid really needs to take some notes from Tim Duncan and how he did things during his Spurs days. Not only is it going to expand his career, but it's going to settle him down. People have compared Maxey to Tony Parker many many times and I see the comps. The thing with Maxey is that he's ascending...He's going to get better and better as time goes on. I think we really just need to retool around Embiid and Maxey and see what happens before we go into a full on rebuild. If we can let Harden go and get some sort of compensation in return for him then I'd be all for it. But while Embiid and Maxey are here, I think we really need to take a long hard look at the blueprint of San Antonio's success all those years. Morey needs to make smart decisions this summer. It'd be great to end up with another addition as impactful as Melton was for us. It would also be great if he could somehow swing a Tobias Harris trade with a team looking for future cap space or to rebuild.

I agree on this as well, but we need to find a Ginobili

Well I didn't necessarily say that we CAN be the Spurs. I mainly said that Maxey draws comparisons to Parker and that Embiid should really try and take notes from how Tim Duncan played the game... Just to improve his game. That's all I was saying. A few people have taken it out of context and replied rudely. Not what I meant to have happen at all.

Doesnt matter how many notes Embiid takes - he is mentally weak. There is no way he can be like Tim Duncan, one of the mentally toughest, most focused and most reliable players of all time, to even suggest that says you don't understand winning basketball. Embiid is the exact opposite of Duncan.

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[FireMorey]

Fans will be fans I get it, but I do hope people have learned the valuable lesson to not emotionally invest in this team. Not just because of Embiid and Harden, but because people should have saw this team wasn’t a title contender before the season. They had a horrendous off-season. At this point if you emotionally invest in a roster that isn’t good enough with players who choke, you gotta know better at this point.

And again, the Embiid trade talk is about what should happen not what will happen. Frankly, talking about what will happen is boring. What will probably happen is they’re going to do whatever they do with Harden, trade Tobias for a mediocre forward, sign a mediocre bench guy and another crappy backup center and then next season go out the same way. There’s nothing worth discussing with any of that. The hypotheticals and the should’s are a lot more interesting to discuss.

[TheBallsDeeper]

I agree on this as well, but we need to find a Ginobili

Well I didn't necessarily say that we CAN be the Spurs. I mainly said that Maxey draws comparisons to Parker and that Embiid should really try and take notes from how Tim Duncan played the game... Just to improve his game. That's all I was saying. A few people have taken it out of context and replied rudely. Not what I meant to have happen at all.

If u think of all the great big men, none of them won anything without a great perimeter player except for maybe Hakeem. I've been saying in order for us to winEmbiid needs to be a 20 n 10 guy with maximum effort on defense. Not an iso guy, we won't win if we dump the ball to him every possession. We need a creative new coach to use him and Maxey better than **** Doc has

Agree - the best value a big man can be is on defense. Jacking threes, bringing the ball up the court, trying to cross over guys, dibbling into traps - it's exactly what the opposition wants. Embiid doing that shows low BBIQ, and the coaches don't want to actually coach him for so reason.

[Decipher]

Good coaches are far easier (and cheaper) to sign than a player of Embiid's quality

Gobert & Mitchell were traded by the Jazz because both have major flaws

IMO, it's crazy to suggest giving up on the MVP who is the face of the franchise & seems happy in Philly

Those guys rarely (if ever get traded) without demanding it and their former teams rarely (if ever) immediately improve without them

Meanwhile, Nurse, Bud, Monty, etc are all available right now if a fresh approach is wanted