Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[Iverson Armband]

its not about the players at this stage.

team needs a different approach.

PNR was our only option and when it got blown up the fall back was to spam 3s or hope slow isos worked.

Biid needs to become better off ball and more decisive on ball. Everything else takes too much time to develop and its also predictable which in a 7 game series is the worst thing you can be. The current offense also relies too heavily on jumpers specifically mid range ones...not sure why Biid was off perhaps the knee but regardless its not something the whole offense should be built around because of its unreliability. This needs to be our plan C offense at best IMO.

This will require a more creative coaching staff and more playmakers in general. Hopefully Maxey improves but we cannot go into next season with only Harden (or his replacement) as the main ballhandler. Team also could stand to get more athletic in general...that will make up for Biid's off and on rebounding effort and the fast break defense as well.


I am very pissed...if only because I have to hear the WIP level takes for the next few months but I think some are being way too rash at the moment and aren't really thinking. There are methods to improvement that won't require a total implosion.

Speaking of total implosion...lets say we do....you do know that the next few draft classes aren't set to be that great? You also realize that many of the recent rebuilding teams are STILL rebuilding? Even the ones who have made it out...like the Pels and Grizzlies aren't exactly having a easy go of it. The Final Four are all teams whose core is the basically the same from 2020 lol. I am sure Lakers fans were iching to rid themselves of AD a mere few months ago. Hell some Nuggets fans were looking for trades for Murray a game or two ago lol. I am mad and disappointed in Embiid too. But lets take a step or two back; relax and not do anything based off of emotion.

or do it and you better not be here whining about ANYTHING the happens afterwards lol.

There are good players in every draft. Nobody really knows how good a draft class is or isn’t until like 5 years after anyway.

And uhhh.. Murray and AD are currently in the conference finals. If we had won today, we wouldn’t be talking about trading Embiid lol. That’s just the way it goes. Hell, if the Celtics would have lost today Boston fans were ripe to trade Tatum a year removed from a finals birth and it would have been like the one time he hadn’t led them deep in to the playoffs since he’s been drafted lol. If anything, Joel has had a long ass leash here if you ask me.

[FireMorey]

It’s not about trading Embiid because of this game. It’s about trading him because there’s no means of constructing a championship roster around him. Looking at their situation, how does one expect that to happen? He’s proven he not a playoff performer and typically,not healthy enough once the playoffs start to begin with so he needs another co superstar. How are they going to acquire that player?

And if you don’t think the Sixers need one and can just run it back minus harden and with Maxey starting, that’s pretty delusional. How many years of coming up short the same way do you need before you realize it’s not going to happen?

[Embiid P]

This is what the jazz got for rudy gobert

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multiple first round picks as in 2023, 2025, 2026 pick swap, 2027, 2029.....



sorry, but its time to start exploring an embiid trade...

As Kerry Packer said - you only ever get one Alan Bond.

A trade that bad will never happen again.

Actually Ainge pulled it off twice. First with Boston when trading KG and Pierce (who were both well past their primes) to Brooklyn for a ton of picks/swaps (thanks Billy King) which eventually landed them Brown and Tatum as well as the aforementioned Gobert trade.

[Mik317]

stars don't get traded for stars...they get traded for piles of picks and mid talent. Thats a bag of golf balls to me rn.

team also has to be a team that is close to winning or contention..ie have a star of their own.

Thats the Warriors; which means we'd be taking back the bad contract of Poole or Klay, with Kuminga as the project...and what would be some late firsts more than likely. Then there is the Blazers, they have some nice youth and picks but to make the contracts match it would also be Nurkic and you'd have to wonder if they wouldn't be better off trading Dame and rebuilding their damn selves lol. The Bulls maybe? Vuc and P.Williams and pick platter? The Wizards? KP...and uh Kuzma...and picks? Clippers? PG and picks? The Suns feel like an option but they just traded their whole stash for KD. The Mavs...but they also have less picks to move and no young talent either. Keep hearing teams like OKC but I don't think Biid is the cash in guy w/ his injury history. Memphis has a bunch of mid youth unless you can get Bane or JJJ I guess...but Ja has them in a holding pattern. Zion has the Pels in one too unless you want an injury prone unreliable swap haha...but I doubt they move him or Ingram (They are a sneaky option tho as they do have some untapped youth and lots of picks to throw around).

My point being tho...I don't know if the market is there at the moment...not many teams have a ton of picks and prospects...plus as great as it would be to be on the Celtics side of a Nets trade....Biid, while injury prone, has lead his team to a top 5 finish every year...so those picks probably won't even be that great.

That being said...I am down for whatever. I can use some time away from this team meaning as much as it does to me and trading Biid would either allow me to gloat in peace or at least experience something different for once.

[Jailblazers7]

Embiid has an impressive set of skills for a center but his coordination, processing speed, and temperament is not adequate to be a true offensive centerpiece. I’m fatigued on trade theories after the past couple of years so trying not to dedicate any brain space to that right now. But I don’t want to see another year of running offense through him.

[76thBearCub]

Embiid is not your lead dog on offense. That's established.

[76Shots]

stars don't get traded for stars...they get traded for piles of picks and mid talent. Thats a bag of golf balls to me rn.

team also has to be a team that is close to winning or contention..ie have a star of their own.

Thats the Warriors; which means we'd be taking back the bad contract of Poole or Klay, with Kuminga as the project...and what would be some late firsts more than likely. Then there is the Blazers, they have some nice youth and picks but to make the contracts match it would also be Nurkic and you'd have to wonder if they wouldn't be better off trading Dame and rebuilding their damn selves lol. The Bulls maybe? Vuc and P.Williams and pick platter? The Wizards? KP...and uh Kuzma...and picks? Clippers? PG and picks? The Suns feel like an option but they just traded their whole stash for KD. The Mavs...but they also have less picks to move and no young talent either. Keep hearing teams like OKC but I don't think Biid is the cash in guy w/ his injury history. Memphis has a bunch of mid youth unless you can get Bane or JJJ I guess...but Ja has them in a holding pattern. Zion has the Pels in one too unless you want an injury prone unreliable swap haha...but I doubt they move him or Ingram (They are a sneaky option tho as they do have some untapped youth and lots of picks to throw around).

My point being tho...I don't know if the market is there at the moment...not many teams have a ton of picks and prospects...plus as great as it would be to be on the Celtics side of a Nets trade....Biid, while injury prone, has lead his team to a top 5 finish every year...so those picks probably won't even be that great.

That being said...I am down for whatever. I can use some time away from this team meaning as much as it does to me and trading Biid would either allow me to gloat in peace or at least experience something different for once.

When they demand a trade which significantly drops their trade value and puts their respective team at a disadvantage from a negotiation standpoint OR when they have one year left of their contract and are ambiguous about their FA intentions. Not when they are the reigning MVP with 4years(?) left on their contract and have expressed no signs of being disgruntled.

[Murray_17]

When they demand a trade which significantly drops their trade value and puts their respective team at a disadvantage from a negotiation standpoint OR when they have one year left of their contract and are ambiguous about their FA intentions. Not when they are the reigning MVP with 4years(?) left on their contract and have expressed no signs of being disgruntled.

What difference does that make? a team trading for Joel would want to contend, to do that they need to keep their core players.

A trade for a star involves a rebuilding process 99% of the time, the only exception would be teams that want to reset and trade a guy who they think is not a winner player, like it happened with DeRozan.

And even in cases like that, teams like the Spurs are in a disadvantaged position.

[XtremeDunkz]

We were up by 9 and on a fast break to make the lead double digits. Then the whole season fell apart with one smack to the face.

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[Mik317]

stars don't get traded for stars...they get traded for piles of picks and mid talent. Thats a bag of golf balls to me rn.

team also has to be a team that is close to winning or contention..ie have a star of their own.

Thats the Warriors; which means we'd be taking back the bad contract of Poole or Klay, with Kuminga as the project...and what would be some late firsts more than likely. Then there is the Blazers, they have some nice youth and picks but to make the contracts match it would also be Nurkic and you'd have to wonder if they wouldn't be better off trading Dame and rebuilding their damn selves lol. The Bulls maybe? Vuc and P.Williams and pick platter? The Wizards? KP...and uh Kuzma...and picks? Clippers? PG and picks? The Suns feel like an option but they just traded their whole stash for KD. The Mavs...but they also have less picks to move and no young talent either. Keep hearing teams like OKC but I don't think Biid is the cash in guy w/ his injury history. Memphis has a bunch of mid youth unless you can get Bane or JJJ I guess...but Ja has them in a holding pattern. Zion has the Pels in one too unless you want an injury prone unreliable swap haha...but I doubt they move him or Ingram (They are a sneaky option tho as they do have some untapped youth and lots of picks to throw around).

My point being tho...I don't know if the market is there at the moment...not many teams have a ton of picks and prospects...plus as great as it would be to be on the Celtics side of a Nets trade....Biid, while injury prone, has lead his team to a top 5 finish every year...so those picks probably won't even be that great.

That being said...I am down for whatever. I can use some time away from this team meaning as much as it does to me and trading Biid would either allow me to gloat in peace or at least experience something different for once.

When they demand a trade which significantly drops their trade value and puts their respective team at a disadvantage from a negotiation standpoint OR when they have one year left of their contract and are ambiguous about their FA intentions. Not when they are the reigning MVP with 4years(?) left on their contract and have expressed no signs of being disgruntled.

I mean sure whatever but again why would a team with a star that we want...trade said star for Embiid? Most would want to pair him with their star. So again you are looking for guys a few tiers down more than likely.

This is why I think its a pointless endeavor to talk about right now...we are talking about Julius Randle or RJ Barrett as the centerpiece kinda trades atm. Does that move the needle? I don't think its a realistic thing atm....could be wrong of course don't want to make it seem like I know it all btw.

Personally, I'd be okay with a semi step back year. Kick the tires on some upsidey guys. Let Harden walk; trade Tobias' contract; bring a coach with ideas in; probably end up in a similar spot but we'd have more ammo, a better FA class and also better offers because teams won't be as asset strapped IMO. IMO that has the upside of said upsidey guys potentially hitting along with Maxey's improvement, seeing if our new coach's ideas actually made a difference...but generally the same chance at winning it all as this season, or any drastic moves I can think of but without putting us in a deeper hole. Morey isn't leaving so this is basically what he did pre Harden for example. Its the most likely outcome sans I think Harden is back either on a bad max, another prove it deal or just an opt in.

Again I am very buttmad atm. Again I had a mental break down last game lol. So trust me I am also tired of this ****. BUT you can't let emotion and the moment get to you and rush into worse situations. I am not a positive guy by no means but this team did have a chance to win this series. Yes the big two went out like hoes and are a big part to blame for it...but also guys missed makeable shots...specifically in game 6. I don't think we are THAT far away. Now I also don't know how we get there with this FO, "stars", and lack of assets either so there is that but this is not like the Iggy Sixers in which we are perennial 7th-8th seeds either.

But again I don't know it all and perhaps it is just time to rebuild....but I don't see the correct trade out there personally so trying to figure this current mess out still feels like the best option.

[FireMorey]

We go through this same cycle every year.

Sixers season ends in disgraceful embarrassing fashion.

Some fans say there needs to be change we'll never win this way.

Heads cool and people convince themselves that maybe there are some things they can do that summer to make them a championship team.

Sixers make some meh moves that don't move the needle, but people spend the entire summer talking themselves into those moves finally getting them over the hump.

Season starts and it's obvious they aren't championship material, people go "Yeah, the cynics were right, I never should've talked myself into this team"

Sixers make playoffs and everyone is all "You know what? I know we doubted the team, but new year, new playoffs, maybe this year will be different."

Sixers lose embarrassingly again, fans are pissed for buying it, and start the cycle over.


And this cycle is just going to continue over and over until Embiid asks for a trade. Or until he breaks down, is no longer a star player, the Sixers end up trading him away when he's no longer worth anything of value, and the organization is left in smoldering ruins and everyone being like "Man we are in for a looooong rebuild. Probably should've jump started that by bailing on this earlier."

Everyone knows deep down that's where it ends. And I think most of you have known that for years now. Once they let Butler go, that, not now, was the final nail in the coffin. Their championship hopes ended that day when he left and Al Horford was signed and they gave Harris the max. Everything since then has just been the NBA equivalent of a TikTok beauty filter and pretending what you're seeing is good enough when we know underneath the surface it isn't.

[Jay555]

We were up by 9 and on a fast break to make the lead double digits. Then the whole season fell apart with one smack to the face.

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With the mental makeup of this team(our two stars), what makes you think they would not fall apart if that did not happen?

They would still have choked away their lead through other possessions.

If they had heart, they would have closed out in G6. They did not.

[okboomer]

Joel is never going to get it. How can you be the biggest player on the court and only have 1 rebound in the first half of an elimination game? Then somehow they were only down 3 and what does he come out and do? He plays worse than in the 1st half. Just an embarrassing effort.

[76Shots]

When they demand a trade which significantly drops their trade value and puts their respective team at a disadvantage from a negotiation standpoint OR when they have one year left of their contract and are ambiguous about their FA intentions. Not when they are the reigning MVP with 4years(?) left on their contract and have expressed no signs of being disgruntled.

What difference does that make? a team trading for Joel would want to contend, to do that they need to keep their core players.

A trade for a star involves a rebuilding process 99% of the time, the only exception would be teams that want to reset and trade a guy who they think is not a winner player, like it happened with DeRozan.

And even in cases like that, teams like the Spurs are in a disadvantaged position.

If the Sixers were to shop Joel one of the trade ideas I had was something around Booker / Ayton for Embiid. Booker is a top 15 player and they seem to hate Ayton out there and only brought him back so the wouldnt lose him for nothing. Skillset and fit wise I think KD / Embiid would compliment each other better and be much more of a championship contending core than KD/Booker.

Ultimately though, trading Joel will all depend on the market and whole bunch of unforeseen variables (lottery outcome, of court drama, surprise trade demands etc) point being trading Joel doesnt have to automatically mean rebuild.

Also, how much larger of a sample size do we need before coming to the realization that Joel is not a winning player? I would think six straight seasons consisting of one 1st round exit and five 2nd round exits would be enough. Especially considering that his regular season greatness seldom extends to the post season. I saw a stat on ESPN that showed Embiids ppg dropped almost 10 points from the regular season to the post season this year, which is the largest regular to post season drop from any MVP in history. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking this team is some championship contending team when in reality this team is the Joe Johnson / Al Horford/ Josh Smith Atlanta Hawks; which is high end treadmill team.

[Mik317]

why the **** would the Suns trade Booker lol.

Thats the type of unrealistic dreams I am talking about lol. Trade thread also mention Ant Edwards lol

I love Embiid but he is approaching 30, has an injury history, and plays a position that requires specific builds around him. No one is trading a young all star guard/wing for that...thats just not how it works.

[Mik317]

We go through this same cycle every year.

Sixers season ends in disgraceful embarrassing fashion.

Some fans say there needs to be change we'll never win this way.

Heads cool and people convince themselves that maybe there are some things they can do that summer to make them a championship team.

Sixers make some meh moves that don't move the needle, but people spend the entire summer talking themselves into those moves finally getting them over the hump.

Season starts and it's obvious they aren't championship material, people go "Yeah, the cynics were right, I never should've talked myself into this team"

Sixers make playoffs and everyone is all "You know what? I know we doubted the team, but new year, new playoffs, maybe this year will be different."

Sixers lose embarrassingly again, fans are pissed for buying it, and start the cycle over.


And this cycle is just going to continue over and over until Embiid asks for a trade. Or until he breaks down, is no longer a star player, the Sixers end up trading him away when he's no longer worth anything of value, and the organization is left in smoldering ruins and everyone being like "Man we are in for a looooong rebuild. Probably should've jump started that by bailing on this earlier."

Everyone knows deep down that's where it ends. And I think most of you have known that for years now. Once they let Butler go, that, not now, was the final nail in the coffin. Their championship hopes ended that day when he left and Al Horford was signed and they gave Harris the max. Everything since then has just been the NBA equivalent of a TikTok beauty filter and pretending what you're seeing is good enough when we know underneath the surface it isn't.

sure but to play devils advocate.

Last offseason our big addition and change was PJ Tucker...in place of Danny Green and Melton in place of Shake's old role. I think we can aim a bit higher this time out, no? A full on coaching change and idelogy change...replacing the slow guys with younger not slow guys while isn't a splashy change like blowing it up would be...its a massive change still IMO.

Bottom line I don't think the blow up thing is happening and being miserable over it doesn't change it so why not hope that the more likely option actually works for once lol?

[Iverson Armband]

why the **** would the Suns trade Booker lol.

Thats the type of unrealistic dreams I am talking about lol. Trade thread also mention Ant Edwards lol

I love Embiid but he is approaching 30, has an injury history, and plays a position that requires specific builds around him. No one is trading a young all star guard/wing for that...thats just not how it works.

Because all year he was the “MVP” and the best player in the world.. LOL

[FireMorey]

The biggest question now is how gutsy is upper management going to be? What changes are they willing to make. Forget about Embiid for a second. Will Harris even allow Doc Rivers to be fired with two years remaining? Will he even explore the idea of canning Morey and ending that experiment?

Because there are going to be a lot of empty seats down there next season if it's status quo. Just trading Tobias away is not going to get all the fans back on board. Even if they fire Rivers it's not going to bring all the fans back. There need to be some wholesale changes. I just don't know what those could be, but I think fans need to feel there were some moves made that put them in the direction where they believe it can lead to a championship. Whether it be one year from now or five years from now.

[Eyeamok]

could have drafted Tatum

For the umpteenth time, we had no chance at Tatum. The terms of the trade was that Colangelo not take Tatum. Had Colangelo wanted Tatum over Fultz, Ainge would have just stayed at #1 and drafted him there.

Not only have I never heard that, I do seem to remember Collars saying he did not have any arrangement with Ainge on who to select.

Really man now we are taking Collars at his word? This is the same guy that told the reporter he knew nothing about the burner account. Then quickly called his wife and told her to shut down all of the accounts. Shut them down now!

[Mik317]

Fans will show up as long as you are winning

and while we constantly find new ways to lose in the playoffs...

we win in the regular season. Fans showed up for the Iggy teams FFS.