Around The League 2022-2023 season

[tiderulz]

Indiana Pacers Receive: F/C Jonathan Isaac, 2025 First-Round Pick (DEN via ORL)

Orlando Magic Receive: G/F Buddy Hield

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If the "cost" of Field is Isaac and the Denver pick, I love this for Orlando. Hield would be perfect for a Magic team that still has Fultz starting.

Hield is an expiring. and they have Mathurin and Duarte that they want more time for. I wouldnt offer more than our 2nd, i wouldnt give up a first.

[tiderulz]

its not a right to play in the NBA, its a privilege. i would bet there is some type of "morals" clause in his contract.

Interesting comments from the Griz board:
This ....

They have no legal case against him. He did nothing wrong. I am glad to know that there are still people who are willing to stand up against corporate whores.

... led to this.

^Got some bad news for you, Ja became, as you so eloquently put it, a corporate whore the minute he signed that second, huge multi-million dollar contract.

The NBA isn't a basketball league, it's a multi billion dollar entertainment business. And this kid is going to find himself pushed out of it early because of poor decision-making.

He believes he's special, but he's only got a brief window of time that he's worth the headache and trouble. He can go play basketball anywhere for the love of the game. But if he wants to make millions, he's gotta grow up and act like an adult.



TL;DR: This is a multi-billion dollar business. Time to act like a grown up.

Hard to disagree with the logic line.

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You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

im sorry, this has zero to do with slavery. An employer can have professional clauses required for employment. Disney cast members used to not even be allowed visible tattoos or facial hair. I work for a professional services company and have to be careful of any social media posts that I do, or if i get drunk and embarrass the company. Ja is a representative for the company and the franchise who gets paid millions of dollars. again, i havent gone over his contract, but sports nowadays, they put in moral's clauses to protect themselves for players that go too crazy, especially when there are guaranteed contracts. This isnt a political thing, so not sure why you are trying to bring that into play. the NBA is an entertainment business, a multi-Billion dollar business, that they want to protect and they have lawyers to protect them of these things. If there is not legal protection, Ja can sue to protect himself. But considering he didnt sue, and his agent didnt sue, last time that tells me there is some type of clause in his contract.

[esvl]

Interesting comments from the Griz board:
This ....


... led to this.





Hard to disagree with the logic line.

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You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

im sorry, this has zero to do with slavery. An employer can have professional clauses required for employment. Disney cast members used to not even be allowed visible tattoos or facial hair. I work for a professional services company and have to be careful of any social media posts that I do, or if i get drunk and embarrass the company. Ja is a representative for the company and the franchise who gets paid millions of dollars. again, i havent gone over his contract, but sports nowadays, they put in moral's clauses to protect themselves for players that go too crazy, especially when there are guaranteed contracts. This isnt a political thing, so not sure why you are trying to bring that into play. the NBA is an entertainment business, a multi-Billion dollar business, that they want to protect and they have lawyers to protect them of these things. If there is not legal protection, Ja can sue to protect himself. But considering he didnt sue, and his agent didnt sue, last time that tells me there is some type of clause in his contract.

Yes, I conceptually agree. My point is that in the argument between a player and the organization, you like an individual is free to take either side. And I am amazed how quickly and automatically people are taking the side of the corporation. I am a fan of Ja and trust him more than a bunch of rich morons who has no other appetite but for money, status and power. It is interesting that people usually quickly reconsider their sympathy toward corporations or government when they themselves experience unfair treatment at their workspace and surprisingly get no support from their fellow colleagues.

[tiderulz]

You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

im sorry, this has zero to do with slavery. An employer can have professional clauses required for employment. Disney cast members used to not even be allowed visible tattoos or facial hair. I work for a professional services company and have to be careful of any social media posts that I do, or if i get drunk and embarrass the company. Ja is a representative for the company and the franchise who gets paid millions of dollars. again, i havent gone over his contract, but sports nowadays, they put in moral's clauses to protect themselves for players that go too crazy, especially when there are guaranteed contracts. This isnt a political thing, so not sure why you are trying to bring that into play. the NBA is an entertainment business, a multi-Billion dollar business, that they want to protect and they have lawyers to protect them of these things. If there is not legal protection, Ja can sue to protect himself. But considering he didnt sue, and his agent didnt sue, last time that tells me there is some type of clause in his contract.

Yes, I conceptually agree. My point is that in the argument between a player and the organization, you like an individual is free to take either side. And I am amazed how quickly and automatically people are taking the side of the corporation. I am a fan of Ja and trust him more than a bunch of rich morons who has no other appetite but for money, status and power. It is interesting that people usually quickly reconsider their sympathy toward corporations or government when they themselves experience unfair treatment at their workspace and surprisingly get no support from their fellow colleagues.

its not necessarily taking the side of the organization. but Ja is throwing a opportunity away.
-backyard pickup game, threatens a 17 yr old with gun and him and his boys beat up the kid
-brings 8-9 of his boys to threaten 22 yr old shoe store worker when his mom called him. banging on store door and saying he was waiting until he got off of work
-his boys threatened to beat a student at his sisters high school volleyball game, and broke said students phone.
-Ja confronts Indiana Pacers. later, an SUV with Ja in it drives by Pacers as they are loading on bus and has red laser (purportedly a laser sight from a gun) shine on multiple players. A Pacers security guard in the loading area at the time remarked: “That’s 100 percent a gun.”

this isnt just one incident, this is a pattern. He came out 2 weeks ago and send he needed to make smarter decisions. But this pattern is why he will get little support from colleagues. You dont go around with your boys threatening people with guns. His "boys" are with him because he has money and fame. doubtful they would stay if he didnt have that. by all reports, he wasnt like this in high school and college. its like he is trying to create "street cred". If the video was by itself, it wouldnt be a big deal. but after getting in trouble just a few weeks ago when he video'd himself brandishing a gun and then this, it ratchet's it up a little. then add in all the other incidents, it is a troubling pattern. if he doesnt figure this out, he could easily be out of the league.

[esvl]

im sorry, this has zero to do with slavery. An employer can have professional clauses required for employment. Disney cast members used to not even be allowed visible tattoos or facial hair. I work for a professional services company and have to be careful of any social media posts that I do, or if i get drunk and embarrass the company. Ja is a representative for the company and the franchise who gets paid millions of dollars. again, i havent gone over his contract, but sports nowadays, they put in moral's clauses to protect themselves for players that go too crazy, especially when there are guaranteed contracts. This isnt a political thing, so not sure why you are trying to bring that into play. the NBA is an entertainment business, a multi-Billion dollar business, that they want to protect and they have lawyers to protect them of these things. If there is not legal protection, Ja can sue to protect himself. But considering he didnt sue, and his agent didnt sue, last time that tells me there is some type of clause in his contract.

Yes, I conceptually agree. My point is that in the argument between a player and the organization, you like an individual is free to take either side. And I am amazed how quickly and automatically people are taking the side of the corporation. I am a fan of Ja and trust him more than a bunch of rich morons who has no other appetite but for money, status and power. It is interesting that people usually quickly reconsider their sympathy toward corporations or government when they themselves experience unfair treatment at their workspace and surprisingly get no support from their fellow colleagues.

its not necessarily taking the side of the organization. but Ja is throwing a opportunity away.
-backyard pickup game, threatens a 17 yr old with gun and him and his boys beat up the kid
-brings 8-9 of his boys to threaten 22 yr old shoe store worker when his mom called him. banging on store door and saying he was waiting until he got off of work
-his boys threatened to beat a student at his sisters high school volleyball game, and broke said students phone.
-Ja confronts Indiana Pacers. later, an SUV with Ja in it drives by Pacers as they are loading on bus and has red laser (purportedly a laser sight from a gun) shine on multiple players. A Pacers security guard in the loading area at the time remarked: “That’s 100 percent a gun.”

this isnt just one incident, this is a pattern. He came out 2 weeks ago and send he needed to make smarter decisions. But this pattern is why he will get little support from colleagues. You dont go around with your boys threatening people with guns. His "boys" are with him because he has money and fame. doubtful they would stay if he didnt have that. by all reports, he wasnt like this in high school and college. its like he is trying to create "street cred". If the video was by itself, it wouldnt be a big deal. but after getting in trouble just a few weeks ago when he video'd himself brandishing a gun and then this, it ratchet's it up a little. then add in all the other incidents, it is a troubling pattern. if he doesnt figure this out, he could easily be out of the league.

Like why all of you guys keep repeating same facts and reasons that I can read in any corporate article? Is any of you capable of making your own opinion? All I see is that almost everyone immediately jump on every corporate media story and viciously, not less, attack an individual without any hesitation. It happened to Irving, Brooks it is happening now to Ja, who again did nothing illegal or otherwise wrong. This herd mentality is what amazes me the most. This world cannot be saved.

[tiderulz]

Yes, I conceptually agree. My point is that in the argument between a player and the organization, you like an individual is free to take either side. And I am amazed how quickly and automatically people are taking the side of the corporation. I am a fan of Ja and trust him more than a bunch of rich morons who has no other appetite but for money, status and power. It is interesting that people usually quickly reconsider their sympathy toward corporations or government when they themselves experience unfair treatment at their workspace and surprisingly get no support from their fellow colleagues.

its not necessarily taking the side of the organization. but Ja is throwing a opportunity away.
-backyard pickup game, threatens a 17 yr old with gun and him and his boys beat up the kid
-brings 8-9 of his boys to threaten 22 yr old shoe store worker when his mom called him. banging on store door and saying he was waiting until he got off of work
-his boys threatened to beat a student at his sisters high school volleyball game, and broke said students phone.
-Ja confronts Indiana Pacers. later, an SUV with Ja in it drives by Pacers as they are loading on bus and has red laser (purportedly a laser sight from a gun) shine on multiple players. A Pacers security guard in the loading area at the time remarked: “That’s 100 percent a gun.”

this isnt just one incident, this is a pattern. He came out 2 weeks ago and send he needed to make smarter decisions. But this pattern is why he will get little support from colleagues. You dont go around with your boys threatening people with guns. His "boys" are with him because he has money and fame. doubtful they would stay if he didnt have that. by all reports, he wasnt like this in high school and college. its like he is trying to create "street cred". If the video was by itself, it wouldnt be a big deal. but after getting in trouble just a few weeks ago when he video'd himself brandishing a gun and then this, it ratchet's it up a little. then add in all the other incidents, it is a troubling pattern. if he doesnt figure this out, he could easily be out of the league.

Like why all of you guys keep repeating same facts and reasons that I can read in any corporate article? Is any of you capable of making your own opinion? All I see is that almost everyone immediately jump on every corporate media story and viciously, not less, attack an individual without any hesitation. It happened to Irving, Brooks it is happening now to Ja, who again did nothing illegal or otherwise wrong. This herd mentality is what amazes me the most. This world cannot be saved.

Why cant this be my opinion? because you dont agree with it? and where did I attack him? i said it is a pattern that if he doesnt address it, could cost him millions. So answer me, which of those recent incidents are not true? I can keep an open mind. Which of those incidents did not happen? or did not happen in the way that was described?
Irving - he didnt threaten anyone, just had an unpopular opinion.
Brooks - no off court issues that I know of. not sure how he is included in something like this. he will be signed by someone in the off season.

its not herd mentality, it is just not an opinion you agree with. which is fine, but it doesnt make it any less valid

[drsd]

You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

Respectfully, this is a basketball site. Please focus on the player or the game. My comment was about the employment contract Morant signed, and the large financial costs he may endure if he has (apparently) violated its conditions.

This could be about a bunch of different things. i.e. Antisemitic trope (Kyrie Irving), using cocaine (Chris Andersen), concealing stolen property (Malik Beasley), or punching a teammate (Bobby Portis). The list is large. The details of the violation itself is not the point.

Every year there is a bunch of players suspended for light drugs or PEDs, for example. Recall Dion Waiters being suspended for brownie consumption.

Rules are rules. This isn't about guns.



p.s. this reminds me of Türkoğlu getting popped for PED use. Just a couple years after this:


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[drsd]

Hield is an expiring. and they have Mathurin and Duarte that they want more time for. I wouldnt offer more than our 2nd, i wouldnt give up a first.

Hield for Isaac and this year's Magic SRP: I love that trade for Orlando!


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[tiderulz]

Hield is an expiring. and they have Mathurin and Duarte that they want more time for. I wouldnt offer more than our 2nd, i wouldnt give up a first.

Hield for Isaac and this year's Magic SRP: I love that trade for Orlando!


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but question. if you draft a SG with #6, that player now sits behind Hield? are they mature enough to do it and work hard to take the spot over or do they pout?

[drsd]

Hield is an expiring. and they have Mathurin and Duarte that they want more time for. I wouldnt offer more than our 2nd, i wouldnt give up a first.

Hield for Isaac and this year's Magic SRP: I love that trade for Orlando!


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but question. if you draft a SG with #6, that player now sits behind Hield? are they mature enough to do it and work hard to take the spot over or do they pout?

I do not see Orlando starting any rookie not-named Wembanyama; not Henderson or Miller and certainly not whoever is drafted at 6 or 11.

To quote me from the past, I believe this should be Orlando's team next opening night:


Fultz/Anthony/xxxx
xxxx/Suggs/xxxx
F-Wagner/xxxx/Houstan
Banchero/xxxx/Bol
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

So to answer the thought line, I can clearly see Hield starting, and the Magic's two rookies being a 2nd and 3rd stringer, respectively.

[tiderulz]

Hield for Isaac and this year's Magic SRP: I love that trade for Orlando!


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but question. if you draft a SG with #6, that player now sits behind Hield? are they mature enough to do it and work hard to take the spot over or do they pout?

I do not see Orlando starting any rookie not-named Wembanyama; not Henderson or Miller and certainly not whoever is drafted at 6 or 11.

To quote me from the past, I believe this should be Orlando's team next opening night:


Fultz/Anthony/xxxx
xxxx/Suggs/xxxx
F-Wagner/xxxx/Houstan
Banchero/xxxx/Bol
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

So to answer the thought line, I can clearly see Hield starting, and the Magic's two rookies being a 2nd and 3rd stringer, respectively.

can we send Suggs to work with whoever Austin Reaves worked with. he went from 32% to 40% in 1 year. then we have a SG.

[Residual-Heat]

i really doubt Harden leaves Philly to go to Houston, but if it does happen and Embiid asks out.. The magic have to make an offer for Embiid. Both picks, 5 future picks, wendell, suggs, ect i dont care. If we can get him without giving up Paolo and Franz its a big win.

[basketballRob]

Ayton got destroyed by Jokic. Wendell plays better defense against Jokic than anyone in the league. Why would we want a worse defender at 3X the money?

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[drsd]

can we send Suggs to work with whoever Austin Reaves worked with. he went from 32% to 40% in 1 year. then we have a SG.

Priceless!

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[esvl]

its not necessarily taking the side of the organization. but Ja is throwing a opportunity away.
-backyard pickup game, threatens a 17 yr old with gun and him and his boys beat up the kid
-brings 8-9 of his boys to threaten 22 yr old shoe store worker when his mom called him. banging on store door and saying he was waiting until he got off of work
-his boys threatened to beat a student at his sisters high school volleyball game, and broke said students phone.
-Ja confronts Indiana Pacers. later, an SUV with Ja in it drives by Pacers as they are loading on bus and has red laser (purportedly a laser sight from a gun) shine on multiple players. A Pacers security guard in the loading area at the time remarked: “That’s 100 percent a gun.”

this isnt just one incident, this is a pattern. He came out 2 weeks ago and send he needed to make smarter decisions. But this pattern is why he will get little support from colleagues. You dont go around with your boys threatening people with guns. His "boys" are with him because he has money and fame. doubtful they would stay if he didnt have that. by all reports, he wasnt like this in high school and college. its like he is trying to create "street cred". If the video was by itself, it wouldnt be a big deal. but after getting in trouble just a few weeks ago when he video'd himself brandishing a gun and then this, it ratchet's it up a little. then add in all the other incidents, it is a troubling pattern. if he doesnt figure this out, he could easily be out of the league.

Like why all of you guys keep repeating same facts and reasons that I can read in any corporate article? Is any of you capable of making your own opinion? All I see is that almost everyone immediately jump on every corporate media story and viciously, not less, attack an individual without any hesitation. It happened to Irving, Brooks it is happening now to Ja, who again did nothing illegal or otherwise wrong. This herd mentality is what amazes me the most. This world cannot be saved.

Why cant this be my opinion? because you dont agree with it? and where did I attack him? i said it is a pattern that if he doesnt address it, could cost him millions. So answer me, which of those recent incidents are not true? I can keep an open mind. Which of those incidents did not happen? or did not happen in the way that was described?
Irving - he didnt threaten anyone, just had an unpopular opinion.
Brooks - no off court issues that I know of. not sure how he is included in something like this. he will be signed by someone in the off season.

its not herd mentality, it is just not an opinion you agree with. which is fine, but it doesnt make it any less valid

Let’s the marrow down what we disagree on:
1. We aren’t disputing facts, though I am not sure they are correct. You don’t know them first hand either. Ja is not allowed to even explain his angle.
2. We aren’t disputing that Ja can loose millions.
3. We aren’t disputing there is the contract between Ja and NBA.
4. I am glad this opinion is yours.

What I am concerned with is that NOBODY here dared to challenge the NBA position. I am alone on that. That’s where you smells the herd sheep mentality. There is no fair discussion here why the NBA has any issues with Ja, like there was no such discussion in the case of Irving.

[esvl]

You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

Respectfully, this is a basketball site. Please focus on the player or the game. My comment was about the employment contract Morant signed, and the large financial costs he may endure if he has (apparently) violated its conditions.

This could be about a bunch of different things. i.e. Antisemitic trope (Kyrie Irving), using cocaine (Chris Andersen), concealing stolen property (Malik Beasley), or punching a teammate (Bobby Portis). The list is large. The details of the violation itself is not the point.

Every year there is a bunch of players suspended for light drugs or PEDs, for example. Recall Dion Waiters being suspended for brownie consumption.

Rules are rules. This isn't about guns.



p.s. this reminds me of Türkoğlu getting popped for PED use. Just a couple years after this:


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Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

[tiderulz]

Like why all of you guys keep repeating same facts and reasons that I can read in any corporate article? Is any of you capable of making your own opinion? All I see is that almost everyone immediately jump on every corporate media story and viciously, not less, attack an individual without any hesitation. It happened to Irving, Brooks it is happening now to Ja, who again did nothing illegal or otherwise wrong. This herd mentality is what amazes me the most. This world cannot be saved.

Why cant this be my opinion? because you dont agree with it? and where did I attack him? i said it is a pattern that if he doesnt address it, could cost him millions. So answer me, which of those recent incidents are not true? I can keep an open mind. Which of those incidents did not happen? or did not happen in the way that was described?
Irving - he didnt threaten anyone, just had an unpopular opinion.
Brooks - no off court issues that I know of. not sure how he is included in something like this. he will be signed by someone in the off season.

its not herd mentality, it is just not an opinion you agree with. which is fine, but it doesnt make it any less valid

Let’s the marrow down what we disagree on:
1. We aren’t disputing facts, though I am not sure they are correct. You don’t know them first hand either. Ja is not allowed to even explain his angle.
2. We aren’t disputing that Ja can loose millions.
3. We aren’t disputing there is the contract between Ja and NBA.
4. I am glad this opinion is yours.

What I am concerned with is that NOBODY here dared to challenge the NBA position. I am alone on that. That’s where you smells the herd sheep mentality. There is no fair discussion here why the NBA has any issues with Ja, like there was no such discussion in the case of Irving.

first of all, it wasnt the NBA that suspended JA, it was his direct employer the Grizzlies. Again, Ja likely has some clause that allows this. NFL contracts do also. That is the counterpoint to having guaranteed contracts, so that you are paid if even if you get injured. Teams and lawyers dont want to get stuck paying for a player that becomes radioactive, basically because they were dumb. though i do have points back.
1 - what facts are you not sure are correct? about the only one i can see any dispute on is the laser point from the car. it was definitely meant to intimidate. now was it from a gun, or just a plain laser sight, who know. But all the other incidents had multiple witnesses.

you say no one "dared challenge" the NBA position. you notice, not even a single former NBA player is supporting Ja, because Ja is dumb and doing this to himself. They all know there are provisions in their employment contract that outline what type of behavior you cant do. sometimes it is high level, like this might be. Sometimes it is very descriptive, like No gambling on NBA games. it feels like im debating one of his posse or a family member. you feel strongly about it, but when you are on an island, maybe it is you that is wrong and not everyone else. when not a single former or current player is supporting him, that should tell you something

[tiderulz]

You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

Respectfully, this is a basketball site. Please focus on the player or the game. My comment was about the employment contract Morant signed, and the large financial costs he may endure if he has (apparently) violated its conditions.

This could be about a bunch of different things. i.e. Antisemitic trope (Kyrie Irving), using cocaine (Chris Andersen), concealing stolen property (Malik Beasley), or punching a teammate (Bobby Portis). The list is large. The details of the violation itself is not the point.

Every year there is a bunch of players suspended for light drugs or PEDs, for example. Recall Dion Waiters being suspended for brownie consumption.

Rules are rules. This isn't about guns.



p.s. this reminds me of Türkoğlu getting popped for PED use. Just a couple years after this:


..

Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

how was Irving destroyed? is he still playing and getting paid? will he likely be signing another monster contract? was he banned from the NBA? he got a slap on the wrist from the NBA. that he lost endorsements was on him not the NBA. Ja isnt destroyed now either. But if he doesnt smarten up, he could be out of the league on his next stupid mistake

[esvl]

Respectfully, this is a basketball site. Please focus on the player or the game. My comment was about the employment contract Morant signed, and the large financial costs he may endure if he has (apparently) violated its conditions.

This could be about a bunch of different things. i.e. Antisemitic trope (Kyrie Irving), using cocaine (Chris Andersen), concealing stolen property (Malik Beasley), or punching a teammate (Bobby Portis). The list is large. The details of the violation itself is not the point.

Every year there is a bunch of players suspended for light drugs or PEDs, for example. Recall Dion Waiters being suspended for brownie consumption.

Rules are rules. This isn't about guns.



p.s. this reminds me of Türkoğlu getting popped for PED use. Just a couple years after this:


..

Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

how was Irving destroyed? is he still playing and getting paid? will he likely be signing another monster contract? was he banned from the NBA? he got a slap on the wrist from the NBA. that he lost endorsements was on him not the NBA. Ja isnt destroyed now either. But if he doesnt smarten up, he could be out of the league on his next stupid mistake

I got your point. The NBA and ESPN are good, nice people, and Ja and Irving are complete idiots. And you support good people, while I support bad people. Now you can go back to all your good nice fellows who are beloved by corporations, and I will stand the ground with a few bad individuals who fight for their right to have boundaries of personal life. Ironically, you will enjoy the outcomes of that fight if corporations lose.

[tiderulz]

Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

how was Irving destroyed? is he still playing and getting paid? will he likely be signing another monster contract? was he banned from the NBA? he got a slap on the wrist from the NBA. that he lost endorsements was on him not the NBA. Ja isnt destroyed now either. But if he doesnt smarten up, he could be out of the league on his next stupid mistake

I got your point. The NBA and ESPN are good, nice people, and Ja and Irving are complete idiots. And you support good people, while I support bad people. Now you can go back to all your good nice fellows who are beloved by corporations, and I will stat with a few individuals who fight for their right to have boundaries of personal life. Ironically, you will similarly enjoy the outcomes of that fight.

why are you over here fighting us on a Magic board? I saw on the Memphis board that they also said he was dumb to do this. you are trying to make the same arguments here that you did there, that no one really agreed with you on.