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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#561 » by TheNetsFan » Tue May 16, 2023 12:26 am

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Eatgreenz wrote:Thats true, would just depend on his asking price.


That's the thing I think since combo of dinwiddie Joe Harris dfs or Royce get it done


My simple view is that we have players on the roster with no future here and IF we can buy low plus get a prospect and a pick then it might be worth a punt

If we were able to land GSW's first rounder as part of the deal then we are one step closer to having a star package

We're not a GSW pick away from a star package. It's not just about the players you're sending out, but the opportunity cost associated with taking back bad future money. A guy like Poole torpedoes any chance at '24 or '25 cap space. He's criminally overpaid on a sorry Draymond punched you, please don't sue anyone contract. You don't pay fringe rotation players top 3 money.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#562 » by Netaman » Tue May 16, 2023 2:08 am

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#563 » by Marvin Martian » Tue May 16, 2023 2:48 am

We already have a Jordan Poole type player on the team (Cam Thomas). Why give up assets for another one?
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#564 » by Mosdefinition » Tue May 16, 2023 2:43 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:I'm on board in declining Poole.

Doesn't seem right nor we have the muscle in experience to keep him in check.

Please no


I think it's worth the risk

Warriors are toxic for young players he seems to be a victim of that

Like who?


Wiseman
Dlo
Kuminga
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#565 » by CalamityX12 » Tue May 16, 2023 3:43 pm

Mosdefinition wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:
Mosdefinition wrote:
I think it's worth the risk

Warriors are toxic for young players he seems to be a victim of that

Like who?


Wiseman
Dlo
Kuminga
Poole

Dlo was part of a trade IIRC plus they had an injury riddle season no?

Wismean not living up to expectations was a disappointment however we don't know yet if that's on him or the club yet.

Poole comes off a bit funny to me. He definitely acts off his coattails the season before still... he wasn't impressive this year at all but barks like he is.

Kuminga isn't getting much burn but Idk if thats on him or staff?

I of course do not know if anything else transpired with younger players and the Warriors. Looney came out huge for them, Wiggins played very well for them.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#566 » by TheNetsFan » Tue May 16, 2023 3:47 pm

I'm more in the organic build camp, specifically tread water until we can get cap space to sign a FA in '24 or '25, BUT the tumultuousness of the off-season (Bud & Doc out, Harden potentially walking, Bucks with major potential tax issues) makes you wonder if it would be wise to accelerate the process. Even Boston may need to make some tough decisions (White/Brogdon/Smart) if they're going to give Brown a SuperMax extension.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#567 » by JKiddy » Tue May 16, 2023 7:08 pm

Netaman wrote:playing out my last post, i think this would pretty simple plan would constitute a step forward for the core while preserving most of the trade capital for star #3 either in-season if a siakam type shakes loose or whoever:

1. S&T for FVV (cam t or a future pick, expiring salary filler)

2. consolidate some draft capital and try to move up into the lotto (possibly attach dfs/royce) - ideally there's someone they like a lot. someone on trade board floated DFS plus both picks for Dallas' #10, i like that a lot if there's someone there they want.

3. extend CJ

4. add a veteran big that compliments Claxton like olynyk (maybe use trade exception and a pick or cam t)

FVV (29 yo, would be signed for 4 years)
Oneale (29 yo, signed for 1 more year)
Bridges (27yo, signed for 4 more years)
CJ (27 yo, likely extends for 4 more years)
Claxton (24 yo, signed for 1 more year)

6th man Dinwiddie
Olynyk as backup big man
#10 pick (presumably front court player)

and then Simmons as the placeholder for star #3/wild card. Ideally he is the starter over O'neale and he and FVV can share playmaking duties. if he remains toxic he's just salary swap placeholder in a package with all the picks they'd still have.

lillard and trae are interesting hypotheticals instead of fvv that just depend on price. if lillard wants in and portland is reasonable id do that. but if the price is significantly different id be pretty happy to get the younger fvv who is a really good fit for the culture they should be trying to double down on.



I am 100% on board with this and feel like something similar will likely occur unless a SUPERNOVA STAR becomes available. Lillard is a Superstar but not in that realm.

I think Marks is holding the pick bounty for someone like Luka/Giannis level. I do not think they are available this off-season.

I think Lillard is available but the price is currently a little too high. If they lost the lottery POR will need to find a way to get something for Lillard to jump start the rebuild (if he demands out).
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#568 » by Marvin Martian » Wed May 17, 2023 3:56 am

TheNetsFan wrote:I'm more in the organic build camp, specifically tread water until we can get cap space to sign a FA in '24 or '25, BUT the tumultuousness of the off-season (Bud & Doc out, Harden potentially walking, Bucks with major potential tax issues) makes you wonder if it would be wise to accelerate the process. Even Boston may need to make some tough decisions (White/Brogdon/Smart) if they're going to give Brown a SuperMax extension.


Wasting time for organic building is lunacy right now. The eastern conference is completely wide open. Trae Young, who got ragged on here for being a loser, beat MIA and almost took BOS to 7 games. PHI is in disarray. MIL's core guys are aging. BOS has massively underachieved. NYK still has Randle.

Every team in the conference is vulnerable


This team can make the finals if they get the right star to pair with Bridges this offseason.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#569 » by NetsWorld » Wed May 17, 2023 11:28 am

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TheNetsFan wrote:I'm more in the organic build camp, specifically tread water until we can get cap space to sign a FA in '24 or '25, BUT the tumultuousness of the off-season (Bud & Doc out, Harden potentially walking, Bucks with major potential tax issues) makes you wonder if it would be wise to accelerate the process. Even Boston may need to make some tough decisions (White/Brogdon/Smart) if they're going to give Brown a SuperMax extension.


Wasting time for organic building is lunacy right now. The eastern conference is completely wide open. Trae Young, who got ragged on here for being a loser, beat MIA and almost took BOS to 7 games. PHI is in disarray. MIL's core guys are aging. BOS has massively underachieved. NYK still has Randle.

Every team in the conference is vulnerable


This team can make the finals if they get the right star to pair with Bridges this offseason.


Well, the Blazers GM quote yesterday of the three pick helping them or SOMEONE ELSE indicates they are open to trading the pick and I’m sure want Bridges. It’s either Dame to us or Bridges to Portland for the pick.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#570 » by Decipher » Wed May 17, 2023 11:57 am

NetsWorld wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm more in the organic build camp, specifically tread water until we can get cap space to sign a FA in '24 or '25, BUT the tumultuousness of the off-season (Bud & Doc out, Harden potentially walking, Bucks with major potential tax issues) makes you wonder if it would be wise to accelerate the process. Even Boston may need to make some tough decisions (White/Brogdon/Smart) if they're going to give Brown a SuperMax extension.


Wasting time for organic building is lunacy right now. The eastern conference is completely wide open. Trae Young, who got ragged on here for being a loser, beat MIA and almost took BOS to 7 games. PHI is in disarray. MIL's core guys are aging. BOS has massively underachieved. NYK still has Randle.

Every team in the conference is vulnerable


This team can make the finals if they get the right star to pair with Bridges this offseason.


Well, the Blazers GM quote yesterday of the three pick helping them or SOMEONE ELSE indicates they are open to trading the pick and I’m sure want Bridges. It’s either Dame to us or Bridges to Portland for the pick.


Either option sucks

We don’t have a 2024 first round pick so getting worse in the short term is pointless

On the other hand, Dame’s contract is horrific and he’s not good enough to make us a contender without many more moves
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#571 » by Marvin Martian » Wed May 17, 2023 1:34 pm

NetsWorld wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm more in the organic build camp, specifically tread water until we can get cap space to sign a FA in '24 or '25, BUT the tumultuousness of the off-season (Bud & Doc out, Harden potentially walking, Bucks with major potential tax issues) makes you wonder if it would be wise to accelerate the process. Even Boston may need to make some tough decisions (White/Brogdon/Smart) if they're going to give Brown a SuperMax extension.


Wasting time for organic building is lunacy right now. The eastern conference is completely wide open. Trae Young, who got ragged on here for being a loser, beat MIA and almost took BOS to 7 games. PHI is in disarray. MIL's core guys are aging. BOS has massively underachieved. NYK still has Randle.

Every team in the conference is vulnerable


This team can make the finals if they get the right star to pair with Bridges this offseason.


Well, the Blazers GM quote yesterday of the three pick helping them or SOMEONE ELSE indicates they are open to trading the pick and I’m sure want Bridges. It’s either Dame to us or Bridges to Portland for the pick.


Or Marks hangs up the phone and calls another team
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#572 » by MGrand15 » Wed May 17, 2023 5:07 pm

I love Bridges but if Scoot is on the table at 3, I do that trade in a heartbeat. If Scoot is off the board, I'd think about it. A top 3 pick is a chance to do this right.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#573 » by Tha King » Wed May 17, 2023 5:20 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I love Bridges but if Scoot is on the table at 3, I do that trade in a heartbeat. If Scoot is off the board, I'd think about it. A top 3 pick is a chance to do this right.

I've come around to this as well even if Scoot is not there.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#574 » by Decipher » Wed May 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Harden lesaking during his GM’s press conference is not something I miss
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#575 » by TheNetsFan » Wed May 17, 2023 9:09 pm

It feels like there's going to be some really big, overzealous suckers this offseason. You have Dame putting pressure on Portland & Portland shopping #3. Now Harden is dropping hints that he wants a competitive roster and basketball freedom, which is a signal to Houston to follow his shopping list. Dallas is nervous about their ability to keep Luka happy. Hopefully Marks can take advantage.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#576 » by Mosdefinition » Thu May 18, 2023 1:25 am

Got a new potential target after the draft lottery terry rozier if the hornets take scoot in doubt they need 3 starting pg could be a low risk pick up
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#577 » by TheNetsFan » Thu May 18, 2023 1:41 am

Mosdefinition wrote:Got a new potential target after the draft lottery terry rozier if the hornets take scoot in doubt they need 3 starting pg could be a low risk pick up

No interest in his long-term money.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#578 » by GTR11 » Thu May 18, 2023 1:45 am

TheNetsFan wrote:It feels like there's going to be some really big, overzealous suckers this offseason. You have Dame putting pressure on Portland & Portland shopping #3. Now Harden is dropping hints that he wants a competitive roster and basketball freedom, which is a signal to Houston to follow his shopping list. Dallas is nervous about their ability to keep Luka happy. Hopefully Marks can take advantage.

I think changes will be made mostly due to new CBA. These mid level guys like CamJ, OG etc will realize that GM's won't be just throwing money anymore. Even rich owners understand consequences after they'll go above apron. This new CBA is about creating parity and limit player entitlement.

Just watch, lots of teams will start dumping overpaid role player Rozier, Dinwiddie etc starting this off-season.
By virtue of earning a spot on the all-NBA second team, Celtics forward Jaylen Brown is now eligible to sign a $295 million supermax extension with the Celtics this summer that would make him the richest player in NBA history


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/jaylen-brown-isnt-just-eligible-supermax-extension-hes-worth-it%3famp

That's 60m for Brown alone. Now Tatum will be eligible next offseason, how much you think he's getting.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#579 » by GTR11 » Thu May 18, 2023 2:27 am

Last years tax was at 156m, we ended the season at 159m. If any of you thinking Tsai/Marks will go over tax line again, I think you should take your time and think again. If anything, they'll be dumping salary beginning this off-season.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#580 » by NetsWorld » Thu May 18, 2023 11:20 am

GTR11 wrote:Last years tax was at 156m, we ended the season at 159m. If any of you thinking Tsai/Marks will go over tax line again, I think you should take your time and think again. If anything, they'll be dumping salary beginning this off-season.


The only way Tsai will go over the tax is if it makes sense. He’s not going to spend so much money on a roster that won’t produce a ring, not after the disaster of the past three years.
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