2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II

[The-Stallion70]

Heard Lavine mentioned on the 6th man podcast, man I would make everything available except 6, Paolo, and Franz for him. The Bulls are basically in no man's land, it's possible.

[RookieStar]

btw surprised nobody talks about Kuminga
There were reports he was upset about playing time and that they will sit down with him on the summer and they will try figure it out...

Im not a fan of his but I remember some of you wanted him...just surprised nobody talks about it


Immediately following the season-ending loss to the Lakers, The Athletic’s Shams Charania and Anthony Slater reported, citing sources, that the Warriors and Kuminga’s camp are expected to discuss what his future with the organization is and if he isn’t guaranteed a bigger role next season, he could seek a trade.

three things:

1. It was a Scottie vs Kuminga debate... and since we got Suggs, it was a moot discussion.
2. Franz Wagner. When this guy bloomed, the debate of Scootie/Kuminga became forgotten. We got the best player out of all of them.
3. Paolo Banchero. We already have our star PF. Would he be happy as the backup F to both our studs? Don't think so.

[Bensational]

The Warriors really did a poor job with their recent draft picks. A #2 pick used on Wiseman who was dumped, #7 on Kuminga who can’t get on the court and #14 on Moody who played some bench minutes in the playoffs this year.

Such a strange team who find late Gens like Green, Poole and for a minute it looked like Paschall would be a steal. But then they take Wiseman over LaMello and Kuminga over Franz. I think they’ve missed a chance to roll this dynasty over internally.

[Ralof]

Heard Lavine mentioned on the 6th man podcast, man I would make everything available except 6, Paolo, and Franz for him. The Bulls are basically in no man's land, it's possible.

sadly bulls FO already said they will not rebuild

anyway that it is the type of big move WeHam should do if they decide to"push"the rebuild(spoiler:they will not).

Suggs+#11+Denver 1st or something similar

[yoyojw17]

Suggs + Harris + #6 + #11 + Denver 2024 + Magic 2025 (maybe) for Mikal Bridges + #22?

Suggs is showing promise and needs more opportunity and 2 lottery picks in a draft that can yield quality players. Salaries will work out as a wash. We will maintain our cap space for this season and can resign both fultz and cole to extensions.

Maybe sign bruce brown and/or vuc to bench contracts

#22 to fill the SG (whitehead, rupert, coulibaly, etc) or pf/c (Lively, Nadji)positions

Markelle/Anthony
Bridges/Bruce Brown?/#22
Franz/Bol/Okeke/Houston
Paolo/Isaac
Wendell/Vuc?/Goga/Mo/#22

[Skybox]

I was thinking that SAS could really benefit from putting a versatile heady bruiser like WCJ next to Wemby and really don't have a promising PG, so maybe...WCJ & Cole for Vassell & McBuckets (expiring). Vassell would be perfect next to a dynamic scoring PG...maybe even Fultz.

Draft Cason Wallace at #6

Trade back or just draft Derrick Lively at #11

Still sitting on a ton of cap room if we did choose to go FVV or just see what we have in Wallace for the long term at PG.



Fultz, Wallace, Podziemski(srp?)
Vassell, Suggs
Franz, Hayward, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac, Mo Wagner
Lively, Goga

[Skybox]

ORL sends: Fultz (expiring), Suggs (hate to do it), Whovever CHA wants at #6 & #11, ORL 24 frp (top 3), DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Miles Bridges (SnT), Scoot Henderson(#2)

Sign UFA Donte Divincenzo for appx 10m, still more to spend if we see someone or roll it forward

Scoot, Cole
Bridges, DDV
Franz, Houstan, Okeke
Paolo, Isaac, M. Wagner
WCJ, Goga

[The-Stallion70]

Strus completely comes off the books for Miami this off-season and he hasn't gotten his first big deal yet. He has got to be on the radar for the Magic as he addresses multiple team needs.

[pepe1991]

I was thinking that SAS could really benefit from putting a versatile heady bruiser like WCJ next to Wemby and really don't have a promising PG, so maybe...WCJ & Cole for Vassell & McBuckets (expiring). Vassell would be perfect next to a dynamic scoring PG...maybe even Fultz.

Draft Cason Wallace at #6

Trade back or just draft Derrick Lively at #11

Still sitting on a ton of cap room if we did choose to go FVV or just see what we have in Wallace for the long term at PG.



Fultz, Wallace, Podziemski(srp?)
Vassell, Suggs
Franz, Hayward, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac, Mo Wagner
Lively, Goga

Where i would love to have Vassell i just don't see any reasons for Spurs to move him, especially for center, position they will draft Wemby with.
If anything Spurs are in desparate need for PG now

their depth chart is abysmal at some positions

PG : no starter in sight / Jones ( free agent) / Graham
SG: Vassell / Langford
SF: Keldon Johnson / bodies
PF: Sochan / Zach Collins
C: Wemby/ bodies

They have no PG on roster if Jones walks and they have nobody to play SG if Vassel is traded, especially for Wendell. It just makes no sense for them.

[MasterGMer]

Suggs + Harris + #6 + #11 + Denver 2024 + Magic 2025 (maybe) for Mikal Bridges + #22?

Suggs is showing promise and needs more opportunity and 2 lottery picks in a draft that can yield quality players. Salaries will work out as a wash. We will maintain our cap space for this season and can resign both fultz and cole to extensions.

Maybe sign bruce brown and/or vuc to bench contracts

#22 to fill the SG (whitehead, rupert, coulibaly, etc) or pf/c (Lively, Nadji)positions

Markelle/Anthony
Bridges/Bruce Brown?/#22
Franz/Bol/Okeke/Houston
Paolo/Isaac
Wendell/Vuc?/Goga/Mo/#22

I like Suggs but Milkal Bridges is untouchable for Brooklyn.

I really like Bridges and he could be that first or second option on offense and he is young and durable

But what about entertaining the idea of packaging our picks for Giannis? Dude is going to turn down extension offer by Milwaukee and he only has two years left on his contract


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[Skybox]

I was thinking that SAS could really benefit from putting a versatile heady bruiser like WCJ next to Wemby and really don't have a promising PG, so maybe...WCJ & Cole for Vassell & McBuckets (expiring). Vassell would be perfect next to a dynamic scoring PG...maybe even Fultz.

Draft Cason Wallace at #6

Trade back or just draft Derrick Lively at #11

Still sitting on a ton of cap room if we did choose to go FVV or just see what we have in Wallace for the long term at PG.



Fultz, Wallace, Podziemski(srp?)
Vassell, Suggs
Franz, Hayward, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac, Mo Wagner
Lively, Goga

Where i would love to have Vassell i just don't see any reasons for Spurs to move him, especially for center, position they will draft Wemby with.
If anything Spurs are in desparate need for PG now

their depth chart is abysmal at some positions

PG : no starter in sight / Jones ( free agent) / Graham
SG: Vassell / Langford
SF: Keldon Johnson / bodies
PF: Sochan / Zach Collins
C: Wemby/ bodies

They have no PG on roster if Jones walks and they have nobody to play SG if Vassel is traded, especially for Wendell. It just makes no sense for them.

The team you listed was built to lose but Malaki Branham looks very promising for them at SG. Keldon Johnson is also wing-sized and could slide to SG. You’re right about PG…Jones is not very good, even if he stays…Cole is a significant part of the offer. I figured that no matter who got Wemby, they’d want a more physically developed big next to him- at least for a year or two. WCJ is ideal for the role because he’s equally suited for 4/5 and could adapt with Wemby’s development as WCJ is still very young. The only other big they have is Collins, who is made of glass.

*KJ is really good and on a team friendly descending deal…maybe a lesser offer for him or Branham to plug in our SG spot?

I wonder if they’ll talk to CP3 or even FVV about leading their troops.

[Skybox]

Suggs + Harris + #6 + #11 + Denver 2024 + Magic 2025 (maybe) for Mikal Bridges + #22?

Suggs is showing promise and needs more opportunity and 2 lottery picks in a draft that can yield quality players. Salaries will work out as a wash. We will maintain our cap space for this season and can resign both fultz and cole to extensions.

Maybe sign bruce brown and/or vuc to bench contracts

#22 to fill the SG (whitehead, rupert, coulibaly, etc) or pf/c (Lively, Nadji)positions

Markelle/Anthony
Bridges/Bruce Brown?/#22
Franz/Bol/Okeke/Houston
Paolo/Isaac
Wendell/Vuc?/Goga/Mo/#22

I like Suggs but Milkal Bridges is untouchable for Brooklyn.

I really like Bridges and he could be that first or second option on offense and he is young and durable

But what about entertaining the idea of packaging our picks for Giannis? Dude is going to turn down extension offer by Milwaukee and he only has two years left on his contract


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This is Miles Bridges, RFA from CHA…the guy who had a bad domestic violence situation and has been punished, will serve a suspension, and might need a change of scenery. Many will immediately say ORL won’t touch a bad guy, but it has to be case by case and there might be a chance if he’s truly remorseful…this is a business and it’s unlikely that our guys are all without flaws. If he’s not cognizant of the severity of his mistake and truly sorry, I wouldn’t want him either.

No on Giannis, he’s playing for rings…this is not the team for him…MIL might try to keep it together or reshuffle the vets around him, but if he’s leaving, the package from ORL will start with Paolo AND Franz and decimate our roster. Unappealing for him, bad for us.

[yoyojw17]

I was thinking that SAS could really benefit from putting a versatile heady bruiser like WCJ next to Wemby and really don't have a promising PG, so maybe...WCJ & Cole for Vassell & McBuckets (expiring). Vassell would be perfect next to a dynamic scoring PG...maybe even Fultz.

Draft Cason Wallace at #6

Trade back or just draft Derrick Lively at #11

Still sitting on a ton of cap room if we did choose to go FVV or just see what we have in Wallace for the long term at PG.



Fultz, Wallace, Podziemski(srp?)
Vassell, Suggs
Franz, Hayward, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac, Mo Wagner
Lively, Goga

Where i would love to have Vassell i just don't see any reasons for Spurs to move him, especially for center, position they will draft Wemby with.
If anything Spurs are in desparate need for PG now

their depth chart is abysmal at some positions

PG : no starter in sight / Jones ( free agent) / Graham
SG: Vassell / Langford
SF: Keldon Johnson / bodies
PF: Sochan / Zach Collins
C: Wemby/ bodies

They have no PG on roster if Jones walks and they have nobody to play SG if Vassel is traded, especially for Wendell. It just makes no sense for them.

The team you listed was built to lose but Malaki Branham looks very promising for them at SG. Keldon Johnson is also wing-sized and could slide to SG. You’re right about PG…Jones is not very good, even if he stays…Cole is a significant part of the offer. I figured that no matter who got Wemby, they’d want a more physically developed big next to him- at least for a year or two. WCJ is ideal for the role because he’s equally suited for 4/5 and could adapt with Wemby’s development as WCJ is still very young. The only other big they have is Collins, who is made of glass.

*KJ is really good and on a team friendly descending deal…maybe a lesser offer for him or Branham to plug in our SG spot?

I wonder if they’ll talk to CP3 or even FVV about leading their troops.

Cole + chicago's pick for vassell? they get a shuffle of positions and we get to see how good vassell could be as a third 4th option on this team.

but mind you if that's not enough.... without anything being done.... Suggs at the end of last year deserves a chance to prove what he can do.

[yoyojw17]

Suggs + Harris + #6 + #11 + Denver 2024 + Magic 2025 (maybe) for Mikal Bridges + #22?

Suggs is showing promise and needs more opportunity and 2 lottery picks in a draft that can yield quality players. Salaries will work out as a wash. We will maintain our cap space for this season and can resign both fultz and cole to extensions.

Maybe sign bruce brown and/or vuc to bench contracts

#22 to fill the SG (whitehead, rupert, coulibaly, etc) or pf/c (Lively, Nadji)positions

Markelle/Anthony
Bridges/Bruce Brown?/#22
Franz/Bol/Okeke/Houston
Paolo/Isaac
Wendell/Vuc?/Goga/Mo/#22

I like Suggs but Milkal Bridges is untouchable for Brooklyn.

I really like Bridges and he could be that first or second option on offense and he is young and durable

But what about entertaining the idea of packaging our picks for Giannis? Dude is going to turn down extension offer by Milwaukee and he only has two years left on his contract


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This is Miles Bridges, RFA from CHA…the guy who had a bad domestic violence situation and has been punished, will serve a suspension, and might need a change of scenery. Many will immediately say ORL won’t touch a bad guy, but it has to be case by case and there might be a chance if he’s truly remorseful…this is a business and it’s unlikely that our guys are all without flaws. If he’s not cognizant of the severity of his mistake and truly sorry, I wouldn’t want him either.

No on Giannis, he’s playing for rings…this is not the team for him…MIL might try to keep it together or reshuffle the vets around him, but if he’s leaving, the package from ORL will start with Paolo AND Franz and decimate our roster. Unappealing for him, bad for us.

lol.... noooo.... former Sun player bridges.... on the nets team

[Skybox]

I like Suggs but Milkal Bridges is untouchable for Brooklyn.

I really like Bridges and he could be that first or second option on offense and he is young and durable

But what about entertaining the idea of packaging our picks for Giannis? Dude is going to turn down extension offer by Milwaukee and he only has two years left on his contract


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This is Miles Bridges, RFA from CHA…the guy who had a bad domestic violence situation and has been punished, will serve a suspension, and might need a change of scenery. Many will immediately say ORL won’t touch a bad guy, but it has to be case by case and there might be a chance if he’s truly remorseful…this is a business and it’s unlikely that our guys are all without flaws. If he’s not cognizant of the severity of his mistake and truly sorry, I wouldn’t want him either.

No on Giannis, he’s playing for rings…this is not the team for him…MIL might try to keep it together or reshuffle the vets around him, but if he’s leaving, the package from ORL will start with Paolo AND Franz and decimate our roster. Unappealing for him, bad for us.

lol.... noooo.... former Sun player bridges.... on the nets team

Of course, he’s great…but you’re not getting him for anywhere near that price.

Miles was a borderline All-Star who f-d up and might be available at a significant discount.

[basketballRob]

I think we should let Harris go and throw his $13m at Bruce Brown. He has legit SG size and a more well-rounded game. He's a better player. The Nuggets don't have his Bird Rights and can only give him around $7m per year.

Brown can handle the ball and can even play PG. Harris is pretty limited to playing SG. Brown can play 1-3.

Harris 6'2.5" w/o shoes with a 6'6.75" wingspan. Brown 6'3.5" w/o shoes with a 6'9" wingspan. Harris has PG size.

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[pepe1991]

Mikal Bridges is on verge of breaking into elite two way player, you are not getting him for backup SG with some draft mistique

[Skybox]

I know it's blasphemy but headline says "POR may package #3 and Simons for a wing"...

POR sends #3(Scoot), Simons, #23 for Franz, Fultz, DEN 25 frp

It's all about Scoot's upside (and him being there at 3). I LOVE Franz but...maybe unrealistically so. Paolo is the guy, Franz is built for a strong supporting role, IMO. Simons is an ELITE shooter with athleticism and handles that project even more out of Dame's shadow.

Take Scoot at #3, Whitmore at #6, Hawkins at #11, GG Jackson (or best available) at #23. I know that's TOO MANY ROOKIES, but we wouldn't be counting on any but Scoot to deliver as rookies and we'd add vet depth at the same time. And, if and when one or two of them come through, there is STUPID upside with all 4. Hawkins looks to be solid, at worst. Whitmore & GG have massive upside but are raw...no rush here. We keep winning with vet stand-ins in the meantime.

Next...Cole Anthony and Chuma to MIN for Kyle Anderson (solid, tough, versatile vet presence-who may want out). MIN needs a young PG to apprentice with Conley for a year. I also think Cole's extension talks will be problematic-he'll want a bigger role & payday.

Next...Mem might want to get off of Adams deal and trade for crazy defensive upside...Adams for Isaac, Goga, 2rp. I think we need that bruising rebounder on the roster and Adams may be the best teammate in the NBA and ready to take a slight step back in PT.

Then...sign some short-term vets like Ish Smith or Ingles for wisdom and depth. Maybe even aim higher for depth with Grant Williams (price dropping but solid), DDV, or Naz Reid for toughness.

Scoot, Suggs, Ish
Simons, Hawkins (#11), Harris
Anderson(for now), Whitmore (#6), Houstan
Paolo, GG Jackson
WCJ, Adams

These scenarios really run away as they get going... But there is a ton of depth and young upside, defense, shooting, different looks, much improved rebounding and at least 3 starters who should go for 20ppg right away. Exec of the Year!

[cedric76]

Where i would love to have Vassell i just don't see any reasons for Spurs to move him, especially for center, position they will draft Wemby with.
If anything Spurs are in desparate need for PG now

their depth chart is abysmal at some positions

PG : no starter in sight / Jones ( free agent) / Graham
SG: Vassell / Langford
SF: Keldon Johnson / bodies
PF: Sochan / Zach Collins
C: Wemby/ bodies

They have no PG on roster if Jones walks and they have nobody to play SG if Vassel is traded, especially for Wendell. It just makes no sense for them.

The team you listed was built to lose but Malaki Branham looks very promising for them at SG. Keldon Johnson is also wing-sized and could slide to SG. You’re right about PG…Jones is not very good, even if he stays…Cole is a significant part of the offer. I figured that no matter who got Wemby, they’d want a more physically developed big next to him- at least for a year or two. WCJ is ideal for the role because he’s equally suited for 4/5 and could adapt with Wemby’s development as WCJ is still very young. The only other big they have is Collins, who is made of glass.

*KJ is really good and on a team friendly descending deal…maybe a lesser offer for him or Branham to plug in our SG spot?

I wonder if they’ll talk to CP3 or even FVV about leading their troops.

Cole + chicago's pick for vassell? they get a shuffle of positions and we get to see how good vassell could be as a third 4th option on this team.

but mind you if that's not enough.... without anything being done.... Suggs at the end of last year deserves a chance to prove what he can do.

By trading vassell+33 for 6 and 11, SA can draft a PG and another good young player to grow next to wemby

[pepe1991]

The team you listed was built to lose but Malaki Branham looks very promising for them at SG. Keldon Johnson is also wing-sized and could slide to SG. You’re right about PG…Jones is not very good, even if he stays…Cole is a significant part of the offer. I figured that no matter who got Wemby, they’d want a more physically developed big next to him- at least for a year or two. WCJ is ideal for the role because he’s equally suited for 4/5 and could adapt with Wemby’s development as WCJ is still very young. The only other big they have is Collins, who is made of glass.

*KJ is really good and on a team friendly descending deal…maybe a lesser offer for him or Branham to plug in our SG spot?

I wonder if they’ll talk to CP3 or even FVV about leading their troops.

Cole + chicago's pick for vassell? they get a shuffle of positions and we get to see how good vassell could be as a third 4th option on this team.

but mind you if that's not enough.... without anything being done.... Suggs at the end of last year deserves a chance to prove what he can do.

By trading vassell+33 for 6 and 11, SA can draft a PG and another good young player to grow next to wemby

Vassell is execlly type of player who they need. Not ball dominant, plus defender, yet to turn 23.

They have plenty of future picks to solve position of need.
Matter of fact they have three first round picks in 2024 draft:
-own pick
-Hornets lottery protected pick
-Raptors top 6 protected pick

And after that they will have army of picks comming in 2025 and 2026 as well


That proposed trade could make SOME sense if this draft is PG louded. But at 6 and 11 best they can get is Black, Nick Smith and Cason Wallace. You can make strong argument that not a single one of them would be lottery pick if he was in 2021 draft. This draft isn't very good, it's common sense. Wemby is only player that was really worth sucking for.
Even at 2# and 3# with MIller and Scoot, you have two players with massive question marks. One behavioral issues, other is PG who can't shoot to save his life. Than you have twins who play pickup games against 16 years old... This isn't very strong draft.

Vassell can easly be better than any player that would be aveliable with 6 and 11. This is probably reason why you want him, because you know he is good and better solution than some random Jordan Hawkins. But that's also answer why this trade won't happen.