Head Coaching Candidates - Finalists Nurse/Atkinson/Griffin - Another New Poll Added

[Profound23]

I hope everyone is smart enough to see we didn't just fire Bud because of the Miami series. He rarely learned from his own mistakes, the only time he seemed to get it was when PJ put him in his place. Even the Miami series where we swept Miami we were literally shooting lights out. I mean two of those games even Brynn Forbes couldn't miss.

We always looked horrible in game 1's under Bud which put us behind the 8-ball for every series. Even the Miami series that I just mentioned we sucked that game and got a last second win in OT. We ran the same defense and refused to put Giannis on the other team's best defender in crunch time. Many of us stated the year we won the title that Bud should have been fired then, but we all knew it wasn't going to happen.

Even if Miami sweeps the ECF and finals Bud had to go.

It's weird to talk about how Bud couldn't adjust yet you brought up how we struggled early in series. In series where we lost game 1 under Bud we were 5-2 in those series, so clearly he adjusted

That is equally true. We usually did very well in game 2's. It was usually in-game adjustments that he struggled with or later on in the series after another coach made a counter adjustment.

-Toronto up 2-0, they punched us in a mouth and we never did anything different.
-Last year vs Boston, we kept guarding them the same exact way and ended up paying for it.
-This year we saw the same thing.

2021 vs the Nets it was also the same thing until the most important game where PJ took over as an assistant coach. Unfortunately, that is what Giannis needs to learn to do. He is trained to do as he is told on the court and give his best effort. That helps if you have a coach like Spoelstra or Nurse that is great with X's and O's which is why Nurse is #1 on my list. Giannis has to learn in crunch time he should be guarding the opposing team's hottest player/star.....especially if they are cooking Jrue.

Look at Miami's defense in the 4th yesterday. They ended up playing all of their best defenders on the perimeter and just let Bam roam around the inside. If you screened to get away from Butler then another good defender was there to guard you. With us it's "put Jrue on them" then they screen and their best player is being guarded by Grayson or a bench player.

Everyone sees this, even the year we won the title Barkley/Shaq/Kenny and most media pundits were saying we were the dumbest team but more talented than everyone else. We are more talented than the Boston team we lost to last year and the Miami team we lost to this year and most people know that. With a coach who makes in-game adjustments and knows how to correctly use challenges/timeouts/intentional fouls....etc we would dominate the postseason.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Is it just me or has coaching adjustments become almost a meme at this point? Every fan base every god damn game is convinced their team would have won had it only their idiot coach had made some magic adjustments. Apparently these adjustments are so clear thousands of fans can see them yet somehow teams employ some of the rare humans who don't see the needed adjustments. Wild

I feel like this is a recent phenomenon.

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[MickeyDavis]

Is it just me or has coaching adjustments become almost a meme at this point? Every fan base every god damn game is convinced their team would have won had it only their idiot coach had made some magic adjustments. Apparently these adjustments are so clear thousands of fans can see them yet somehow teams employ some of the rare humans who don't see the needed adjustments. Wild

I feel like this is a recent phenomenon.

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Mazzulla was brilliant for the adjustments he made for games 6 & 7 vs. Philly. He was stupid for not making any adjustments during games 1 & 2 vs Miami

[tedbrogen]

Basically Mazzulla outcoached Doc and is now getting outcoached by Spoo. Almost like there are levels to this…

[Finn]

I imagine coaches of this level understand that Bud had it coming with his inadequacy, recent championship or not.

Ah, the inadequacy of your star players being injured.

Have to point out that the Heat lost multiple players for the year in our series.

Anybody on the level of arguably the best player on the planet? Just curious.

[FrieAaron]

Basically Mazzulla outcoached Doc and is now getting outcoached by Spoo. Almost like there are levels to this…

So then Bud outcoached Spo in 2021?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think coaches get too much credit and blame for game to game coaching. Especially in basketball where guys are trying to throw a ball into a small cylinder and even the best ones miss 50% of the time. In the playoffs the margins are slim and sometimes winning or losing is a 3 rimming out or going in. And afterwards it's the difference between the fan base thinking a coach is smart or dumb.

I think part of the problem is we've overanalyzed basketball to the point where we don't want to accept randomness of sports. Which is ironic because without the randomness of sports would be super boring.

I think its all the work before thats the more important part of coaching. Is your team executing your system, can you get guys to sacrifice and play their role, can you develop players, does your team stay calm in the face of adversity. That's stuff built up over months and years.

All that and at the end of the day the teams with the best players who are playing well that night usually win.

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[tedbrogen]

Basically Mazzulla outcoached Doc and is now getting outcoached by Spoo. Almost like there are levels to this…

So then Bud outcoached Spo in 2021?

I think he did. Especially after they nearly lost game 1 of that series. They adjusted after that. He ran plays for Forbes who was insanely hot. Put Giannis on Butler.

Bud actually made some great adjustments in game two of this year’s series by just feeding Brook endlessly inside until Miami’s defense was so collapsed it became shooting practice for everyone else. He also started using that Midds/Brook PnR in game four to get the big lead.

I think Bud is a better coach than most are making him out to be. I think his issue is he is a bit too nice and players will start doing their own thing and he often won’t push back in that even when his adjustments were working. Which is a fault that Spoo and Nurse don’t have.

I think Bud would have also outcoached Doc.

[emunney]

Ah, the inadequacy of your star players being injured.

Have to point out that the Heat lost multiple players for the year in our series.

Anybody on the level of arguably the best player on the planet? Just curious.

We win any games he played in?

[tedbrogen]

I think coaches get too much credit and blame for game to game coaching. Especially in basketball where guys are trying to throw a ball into a small cylinder and even the best ones miss 50% of the time. In the playoffs the margins are slim and sometimes winning or losing is a 3 rimming out or going in. And afterwards it's the difference between the fan base thinking a coach is smart or dumb.

I think part of the problem is we've overanalyzed basketball to the point where we don't want to accept randomness of sports. Which is ironic because without the randomness of sports would be super boring.

I think its all the work before thats the more important part of coaching. Is your team executing your system, can you get guys to sacrifice and play their role, can you develop players, does your team stay calm in the face of adversity. That's stuff built up over months and years.

All that and at the end of the day the teams with the best players who are playing well that night usually win.

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The counter to that would be if you have the best player in the world and enough talent to have the best record with tons of injuries, you shouldn’t lose 4-1 in the first round.

Or that not calling a timeout with less than a second left or not having Brook guarding the rim on the play before that, would be things that coaches do control. Things that are margins between winning and losing games.

[emunney]

Basically Mazzulla outcoached Doc and is now getting outcoached by Spoo. Almost like there are levels to this…

So then Bud outcoached Spo in 2021?

I think he did. Especially after they nearly lost game 1 of that series. They adjusted after that. He ran plays for Forbes who was insanely hot. Put Giannis on Butler.

Bud actually made some great adjustments in game two of this year’s series by just feeding Brook endlessly inside until Miami’s defense was so collapsed it became shooting practice for everyone else. He also started using that Midds/Brook PnR in game four to get the big lead.

I think Bud is a better coach than most are making him out to be. I think his issue is he is a bit too nice and players will start doing their own thing and he often won’t push back in that even when his adjustments were working. Which is a fault that Spoo and Nurse don’t have.

I think Bud would have also outcoached Doc.

Bud putting Giannis on Butler, who can be bothered by length, was a great move and I wouldn't be surprised if not doing it this time around was among the more significant contributors to him losing his job. Particularly since Giannis wanted the assignment.

[tedbrogen]

Have to point out that the Heat lost multiple players for the year in our series.

Anybody on the level of arguably the best player on the planet? Just curious.

We win any games he played in?

It’s almost like giving that player free rein to take super inefficient early shot clock threes and barrel into the other team from the top of the key is a highly ineffective way to use him.

But I’m hearing coaching doesn’t influence the game.

[JayMKE]

I wonder what kind of salary Nurse is looking for, he was making $8M before same as Budenholzer. Only guys higher were Spoelstra, Rivers, Kerr, and Popovich at the top $11.5M. What's our grandfather offer?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think coaches get too much credit and blame for game to game coaching. Especially in basketball where guys are trying to throw a ball into a small cylinder and even the best ones miss 50% of the time. In the playoffs the margins are slim and sometimes winning or losing is a 3 rimming out or going in. And afterwards it's the difference between the fan base thinking a coach is smart or dumb.

I think part of the problem is we've overanalyzed basketball to the point where we don't want to accept randomness of sports. Which is ironic because without the randomness of sports would be super boring.

I think its all the work before thats the more important part of coaching. Is your team executing your system, can you get guys to sacrifice and play their role, can you develop players, does your team stay calm in the face of adversity. That's stuff built up over months and years.

All that and at the end of the day the teams with the best players who are playing well that night usually win.

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The counter to that would be if you have the best player in the world and enough talent to have the best record with tons of injuries, you shouldn’t lose 4-1 in the first round.

Or that not calling a timeout with less than a second left or not having Brook guarding the rim on the play before that, would be things that coaches do control. Things that are margins between winning and losing games.

I think Bud had some glaring mistakes in that series and it ultimately cost him his job. But I'm also not sure any other coach would have actually won that series. Caught a hot heat team and bucks players weren't their best. Bud isn't coaching Giannis to miss FTs or Jru to miss everything.


My comment was more every team and not specific to Bud/Bucks. Go on the interwebs after a game a look around it will be filled with adjustment talk.

Again it's wild these teams happen to keep paying millions of dollars to guys who can't see simple adjustments the fans see.

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[tedbrogen]

What I would offer Nurse: $15M per season. Four years guaranteed with a fifth year team option.

Even if they fail and Giannis bolts after two years and he gets fired, still pockets $60M.

[paulpressey25]

Is it just me or has coaching adjustments become almost a meme at this point? Every fan base every god damn game is convinced their team would have won had it only their idiot coach had made some magic adjustments. Apparently these adjustments are so clear thousands of fans can see them yet somehow teams employ some of the rare humans who don't see the needed adjustments. Wild

I feel like this is a recent phenomenon.

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Plausible that in the four out of five years Bud didn’t make the Finals, he lost to the team who did.

[MickeyDavis]

Hopefully a decision is made this week. It's time to change phases from "Don't hire this bum!" to "I can't believe we hired this bum!"

[MikeIsGood]

I wonder what kind of salary Nurse is looking for, he was making $8M before same as Budenholzer. Only guys higher were Spoelstra, Rivers, Kerr, and Popovich at the top $11.5M. What's our grandfather offer?

A blank check. I want him signed-on ASAP to avoid the headache with other teams/competition.

[rilamann]

I hope everyone is smart enough to see we didn't just fire Bud because of the Miami series.

Hopefully...lol.

Bud only gets the Bucks to 1 ECF in 5 seasons - while having the best player of the league during that span - if KD's shoe is half a size smaller.

And of course no championship either.

Obviously Bud needed to go and not just because of the Miami series.

[blazza18]

Even with all his scheme and "adjustment" issues, I feel like if Bud was just a little bit stricter with how he ran things he still has a job. The way the entire team from Giannis down to his brother continued to just do whatever they wanted while we played unserious basketball every other game built too many bad habits. When it mattered most and when serious games were on the line we had nothing to fall back on. The one amazing time where the team did dumb **** and figured it out is when we had players in his ear calling out his bs.

The players are part of the problem too but it is a lot harder to get rid of them.