TheNetsFan wrote:Packers+NetsWIN wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:I'm not using the pick trove, future cap space, 2 guys we know can return at least a first each (Royce and DFS), and 2 guys that might be e able to return a first(Dinwiddie and Thomas) for OG and FVV. If you're planning on investing in Bridges and Johnson, I don't see the need for a big investment in OG. FVV fits, but he's a FA that the Raptors may lose for nothing. I'm not giving up a lot for him.
I'm not trying to argue at all here so please forgive me here, but I'm just unsure of why you "don't see the need for a big investment in OG"? OG is a 25 year old forward who is career 37.5% from three, including 38.7% from three on 5.5 attempts per game last year. He averaged 17 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists last year while tying for only the third most attempts on the team (tied with Barnes, finished behind FVV and Siakam). To be honest, in my opinion, if he got more freedom, I think we could see a major jump in his offensive capabilities similar to how Bridges didn't get his chance to shine in Phoenix behind other talented offensive players. He may not have the same kind of jump bridges did after switching from Phoneix to Brooklyn, but I think it will still be a very significant jump none the less. And even if he doesn't have a huge jump, that offense line still solid. And that's just on offense.
Defensively, he led the entire league in steals. He tied for 7th in NBA defensive player of the year voting with Jrue Holiday and was voted onto the 2nd team all NBA defensive team.
I'd imagine you'd have to give up a very good trade package to get him (and that was before FVV) hence the trade package from my prior post. According to reports (
https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-the-bonkers-package-raptors-declined-for-og-anunoby-at-trade-deadline), both the Grizzlies and the Pacers offered three first rounders for OG and were turned down. I have no problem paying a big price for a 25 year older who is a top defender in the league already and growing his offensive game each year. If the nets can get him without giving up Bridges, Claxton, and Cam J, I think it would be a great fit personally. Good luck to team trying to score on OG, Bridges, and Claxton.
On top of all that as well, the nets were reported to be interested in OG earlier this year:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270354/Nets-Raptors-Discussed-OG-Anunoby-Pascal-SiakamSo the coaching staff and management must like him as a player with some level of interest
There's a big gap between 3 Grizzlies (very late) picks and no players of value and 3-4 picks (which are looking extremely promising) and starting caliber players like DFS, Royce and Dinwiddie, plus a young player with some promise in Thomas. The devil is in the details, but I assume that the Indiana picks had some protections. That article states that Toronto wanted players rather than picks. I'll probably trade the players without the picks, but I am not really interested in breaking the salary bank for both OG and Johnson.
I agree with you about the Memphis picks being late, but what report said there were no players of value in the deal? They would have had to match salaries to make the trade, so at least one guy was going back to Toronto in the hypothetical deal. Can you provide me your source on no player(s) of value going back to Toronto in that potential Memphis trade? Same thing with the Pacers, certain players must have been coming back.
And sorry to disagree, but I don't know believe Indiana's offer of 3 first rounders would have been protected (or even every pick protected). It very well could have been but I wouldn't take that as a sure thing. And with Indiana's offer of picks, those definitely should have been viewed as valuable with Indiana's lack of success in the past few years. For instance, if the raptors made that deal at the deadline with the Pacers and it was unprotected, they would currently be drafting 7th in this upcoming draft. Also, similar to that Memphis deal they would have had to match salaries, so they might have gotten a decent role player or two back.
And honestly, I don't personally see it since they are both a bit older and on expiring contracts now, but I guess Royce and Dinwiddie could each potentially fetch 1 heavier protected first rounder.
And while I actually have a bigger fan of Cam than most on this board, even I am well aware of cam's limitations unfortunately. Apparently the nets coaching staff realizes that too since he doesn't play many meaningful minutes...even when the nets need scoring, which is his biggest strength. So I don't believe his inclusion in a potential trade should be a problem with his limited playing time. And again, I think he would be a great sixth man scorer for a team. But if the nets staff refuses to play him that should say something.
And don't forget my deal also includes the nets getting FVV too. So breaking it down it would be three first rounders, Royce, and DFS for OG; and Dinwiddie & Cam for FVV. Broken down like this, I think it's a fair deal that benefits both sides.
and I do expect the Nets to make an impactful move, the type of move which can get them over the top..... BUT not a move that everyone will see as impactful right away. Sometimes it's not stars that get you over the top, it can be that "just right" candidate.
