Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[Curmudgeon]

They need players adept at creating shots for teammates, not just for themselves.

[CelticsPride18]

We will be the team that overpays for OG. White and 2 picks for OG

[pac213up]

I don't think Brad has the guts to trade Jaylen.

He may have the guts but not the leverage. Most of the Jaylen trade ideas thrown out in this thread will be ridiculous and non starters. JB has tons of leverage, unless the Celtics are just going to give him away.

[BleedGreen1989]

They need players adept at creating shots for teammates, not just for themselves.

Names?

[BleedGreen1989]

If this is going to be the level of suggestions might as well block the thread.

Ha! Trading out a fan favorite like Smart for a long hated guy like Trae wouldn't cause any waves, right?

I do not want to go back to getting short point guards who can’t play defense. Remember what the Cavs did to us in the playoffs switching on Isiah Thomas. And how bad the defense was with Kemba

Yeah that's fair and a very real concern. I'm not advocating for Trae aggressively, just throwing ideas against the wall.

[BleedGreen1989]

Ha! Trading out a fan favorite like Smart for a long hated guy like Trae wouldn't cause any waves, right?

I do not want to go back to getting short point guards who can’t play defense. Remember what the Cavs did to us in the playoffs switching on Isiah Thomas. And how bad the defense was with Kemba

Yeah that's fair and a very real concern. I'm not advocating for Trae aggressively, just throwing ideas against the wall.

I'll echo this a little further.

I would like to find an actual lead guard. Problem is, there are not very many potentially worthy of trading Brown or Smart. Further problematic, most of them are defensive liabilities.

Jaylen Brown for Darius Garland?

[flintsky21]

I want to construct a team that's similar to the Heat. If Tatum is our Butler, we need a secondary star like Bam, that can give you a different dimension on offense yet doesn't overlap with the things that Tatum does. And then everyone else should be 35%+ shooters. The offense should run through Tatum 90% of the time. No more Brown and Smart trying to take over as alpha during stretches.

Smart/Brogdon/White. No sense keeping 3 PG's for $18mil+ each. White, having won his first Player of the Week award and having been 2nd Team All Defense, is gonna have some value. Smart, I think it's time to move on from him. He's got heart, but again is too much of a wildcard offensively for someone taking up 22mil in cap space. Brogdon is someone you can give the benefit of the doubt since we don't really know how he looks like a the starting PG, but he's got health concerns. My preference would be to keep White and move the other 2.

Horford at this point gives you a good offensive game 1 out of every 3 games. And he's gonna be another year older. We need somebody more consistent offensively alongside Tatum. Big Al is our primary big when ideally he should be a 3rd big off the bench at best. Too bad we extended him already.

Rob and Grant I'm fine keeping yet there'd be concerns about how much offense you're gonna get with such frontcourt duo. Again, we need a Bam, but I don't know who that could be (Siakam? Towns?) And then there's Rob's health that's always gonna provide a big question mark. Personally at this point I'd rather have somebody like a Poetl who might not raise the team's ceiling as much as Rob, but is gonna be much more reliable health-wise.

[Cricket23]

Brogdon + 2 picks for OG

S & T G. Williams + 2 picks for Myles Turner

Westbrook MLE

After a year trade Brown for a PG and picks

Turner/Timelord
Tatum/Horford/Gallo
OG/Hauser
Brown/White
Smart/Westbrook

[Cricket23]

And get a coach, not Bud or Doc

[hugepatsfan]

Trade #1 with ATL...

BOS gets: C Clint Capela

ATL gets: F Grant Williams (via S&T, 4-year contract starting at $16,908,301 and declining or staying flat from there), G Payton Pritchard, C Mike Muscala, '24 1st rounder

Why for BOS? The team's core players have advocated going back to the two-big lineups they ran under Udoka last year. That's hard to do because Horford is old and Rob is injury prone. They had to kind of rotate rest for those guys in season. Adding Capela into the mix enables to feature those lineups more extensively even if Rob is injured.

Why for ATL? Add some more shooting, open up playing time for Okongwu, add a pick to help their maneuverability with other trades, reallocate a salary slot from a duplicative rim running center to a shooter at forward who can play some small ball 5. Pritchard and Muscala are salary throw ins, but bring some shooting in limited roles.

Trade #2 with TOR and HOU...

HOU gives: #20
HOU gets: G Marcus Smart

Why? They really need a table setting PG and some defensive chops. Smart brings that. He's not an elite playmaker because he gets too spastic at times, but he's grown a ton in that area. He was great under Udoka last year. It's a bit of a fit issue at times in BOS because neither Brown nor Tatum love being off the ball, but he can be a good stabilizing PG for a team that needs some direction.

TOR gives: F OG Anunoby
TOR gets: #20, F Sam Hauser, BOS 26/28/30 1st unprotected rounders (after SA top 1 protected swap rights in '28)

Why? Move OG for picks. I'm not sure there's a good match for a singular asset for him this year, so they go the volume based package if they look to rebuild. Pritchard and Hauser are nice little rotation shooters to include to help build some depth there.

BOS gives: G Marcus Smart, F Sam Hauser, 26/28/30 1sts
BOS gets: F OG Anunoby

Why? Reallocate their resources from guard to 3&D forward. Smart's shooting makes him a tough fit next to Tatum/Brown in closing lineups, but his status on the team makes it tough to pull the plug on that. It will be cleaner to start White at PG and have him give way to Brogdon unless he's playing exceptionally well. It reduced the defensive issues of two guard lineups we see vs. Miami too.

Our new playoff rotation, with target minutes played in (), is:

White (28) / Brogdon (28)
Brown (38)
OG (38)
Tatum (40) / Horford (22)
Capela (23) / RWilliams (23)

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They need players adept at creating shots for teammates, not just for themselves.

Names?

Andre Jackson Jr.

Had a pre-draft workout with the Celtics. Good chance he's still there for our pick.

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[Cricket23]

Trade #1 with ATL...

BOS gets: C Clint Capela

ATL gets: F Grant Williams (via S&T, 4-year contract starting at $16,908,301 and declining or staying flat from there), G Payton Pritchard, C Mike Muscala, '24 1st rounder

Why for BOS? The team's core players have advocated going back to the two-big lineups they ran under Udoka last year. That's hard to do because Horford is old and Rob is injury prone. They had to kind of rotate rest for those guys in season. Adding Capela into the mix enables to feature those lineups more extensively even if Rob is injured.

Why for ATL? Add some more shooting, open up playing time for Okongwu, add a pick to help their maneuverability with other trades, reallocate a salary slot from a duplicative rim running center to a shooter at forward who can play some small ball 5. Pritchard and Muscala are salary throw ins, but bring some shooting in limited roles.

Trade #2 with TOR and HOU...

HOU gives: #20
HOU gets: G Marcus Smart

Why? They really need a table setting PG and some defensive chops. Smart brings that. He's not an elite playmaker because he gets too spastic at times, but he's grown a ton in that area. He was great under Udoka last year. It's a bit of a fit issue at times in BOS because neither Brown nor Tatum love being off the ball, but he can be a good stabilizing PG for a team that needs some direction.

TOR gives: F OG Anunoby
TOR gets: #20, F Sam Hauser, BOS 26/28/30 1st unprotected rounders (after SA top 1 protected swap rights in '28)

Why? Move OG for picks. I'm not sure there's a good match for a singular asset for him this year, so they go the volume based package if they look to rebuild. Pritchard and Hauser are nice little rotation shooters to include to help build some depth there.

BOS gives: G Marcus Smart, F Sam Hauser, 26/28/30 1sts
BOS gets: F OG Anunoby

Why? Reallocate their resources from guard to 3&D forward. Smart's shooting makes him a tough fit next to Tatum/Brown in closing lineups, but his status on the team makes it tough to pull the plug on that. It will be cleaner to start White at PG and have him give way to Brogdon unless he's playing exceptionally well. It reduced the defensive issues of two guard lineups we see vs. Miami too.

Our new playoff rotation, with target minutes played in (), is:

White (28) / Brogdon (28)
Brown (38)
OG (38)
Tatum (40) / Horford (22)
Capela (23) / RWilliams (23)

Don't like this at all because I don't think an expiring OG has any more trade value than Smart. With Capela and no true PG, it's a step backwards offensively.

[Celticsfan100]

I want to construct a team that's similar to the Heat. If Tatum is our Butler, we need a secondary star like Bam, that can give you a different dimension on offense yet doesn't overlap with the things that Tatum does. And then everyone else should be 35%+ shooters. The offense should run through Tatum 90% of the time. No more Brown and Smart trying to take over as alpha during stretches.

Smart/Brogdon/White. No sense keeping 3 PG's for $18mil+ each. White, having won his first Player of the Week award and having been 2nd Team All Defense, is gonna have some value. Smart, I think it's time to move on from him. He's got heart, but again is too much of a wildcard offensively for someone taking up 22mil in cap space. Brogdon is someone you can give the benefit of the doubt since we don't really know how he looks like a the starting PG, but he's got health concerns. My preference would be to keep White and move the other 2.

Horford at this point gives you a good offensive game 1 out of every 3 games. And he's gonna be another year older. We need somebody more consistent offensively alongside Tatum. Big Al is our primary big when ideally he should be a 3rd big off the bench at best. Too bad we extended him already.

Rob and Grant I'm fine keeping yet there'd be concerns about how much offense you're gonna get with such frontcourt duo. Again, we need a Bam, but I don't know who that could be (Siakam? Towns?) And then there's Rob's health that's always gonna provide a big question mark. Personally at this point I'd rather have somebody like a Poetl who might not raise the team's ceiling as much as Rob, but is gonna be much more reliable health-wise.

The Heat look like the best team in the world because we quit on ourselves. They are not that good. We have to shake it up I agree. Kind of too angry and embarrassed at this team to think right now. We were constructed fine. But if we are going to sit here and not take games serious the last couple years and now we started quitting. Then yes we need to change it up. Get a team that isn’t below .500 at home in the playoffs. Can’t believe that’s even possible

[prov1ml]

I'm officially done with Jaylen Brown. I've withheld judgment thus far but the dude is just TOO selfish and turns the ball over wayyyy too much. He's inconsistent as hell and it feels like his sole objective is to try to prove he's at the same level as Tatum. Trade him now before we are left with the decision to invest $200+mil into a guy who isn't consistent when it matters.

Get rid of him, get rid of Mazzula and with Danilo hopefully returning next year to bolster the bench maybe that will be what's needed to get this team's mindset shifted.

I'm so **** disheartened by this showing it's unreal.

[BleedGreen1989]

They need players adept at creating shots for teammates, not just for themselves.

Names?

Andre Jackson Jr.

Had a pre-draft workout with the Celtics. Good chance he's still there for our pick.

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So a 2nd round rookie is going to save the day? lol C'mon now.

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Names?

Andre Jackson Jr.

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So a 2nd round rookie is going to save the day? lol C'mon now.

Who said anything about saving the day?

You asked for names of "players adept at creating shots for teammates, not just for themselves." I gave an answer. End of story.

Your response is also funny, considering we're getting killed by a bunch of undrafted players, who will face a team in the finals led by a 2-time MVP who was picked in the 2nd round.

[lon3lytoaster]

Are supermax extensions only eligible to the player if they’re still on the team they hit the milestones with? I.e. if we traded Jaylen, could the new team sign him to the max? Or would we have to extend and trade?

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Are supermax extensions only eligible to the player if they’re still on the team they hit the milestones with? I.e. if we traded Jaylen, could the new team sign him to the max? Or would we have to extend and trade?

The player can only sign a supermax contract with the team that drafted him.

[Celts17Pride]

First thing I would do is try to convince the Suns on a trade built around Rob Williams, Brogdon for Deandre Ayton. The very next thing is try to bring in a true point guard. That doesn't mean Smart has to go, it just means he is coming off the bench.

Ayton is 24 years old, time to go after him while his stock is down.

[hugepatsfan]

First thing I would do is try to convince the Suns on a trade built around Rob Williams, Brogdon for Deandre Ayton. The very next thing is try to bring in a true point guard. That doesn't mean Smart has to go, it just means he is coming off the bench.

Ayton is 24 years old, time to go after him while his stock is down.

Ayton seems like a terrible fit here. He seems very selfish and unwilling to accept a role built around the "little things" that we struggle with as a team. He has a bad attitude overall it seems.

I think we have a team of good guys who want to win and play together. At times it looks like players here struggle to accept roles, but I don't think it's malicious or ill-intent based. I think we just have a few clunky fits on the roster in how guys play. Ayton is someone who I think brings some more of those clunky fits, but with an actual bad attitude to go with it. No interest on my end for him.