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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#621 » by Netaman » Fri May 26, 2023 2:39 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:Curious to get some Nets fans reactions to this trade proposal:


dont think you're gonna like the reactions.

if they trade bridges it will be for a much better asset than anything dallas has to offer (like the 3rd or 4th pick +). and the beats have squashed all those rumors saying they dont have any interest in dealing bridges.

the 11 spot trade down from #10 pick to our picks can probably get you royce oneal or dfs and some filler. no offense but beyond that the mavs dont have anything all that interesting to offer.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#622 » by DJ_3_Ball » Fri May 26, 2023 2:50 pm

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DJ_3_Ball wrote:Curious to get some Nets fans reactions to this trade proposal:


dont think you're gonna like the reactions.

if they trade bridges it will be for a much better asset than anything dallas has to offer (like the 3rd or 4th pick +). and the beats have squashed all those rumors saying they dont have any interest in dealing bridges.

the 11 spot trade down from #10 pick to our picks can probably get you royce oneal or dfs and some filler. no offense but beyond that the mavs dont have anything all that interesting to offer.


Assuming that Wemby and Scoot go 1/2, there's no sure thing at #3. Brandon Miller could be a bust. Maybe a lot of Nets fans don't watch much Mavs basketball, but Jaden Hardy showed flashes his rookie season. The kid is a natural scorer. Hardy is probably an 18 ppg scorer this next season. About to take his Sophomore leap.

Obviously, I'd rather have Brandon Miller at 3 than the 10th pick. Still, the chances let's say Taylor Hendricks goes at #10. The chances Miller is remarkably better in his NBA career than Hendricks is are not as high as you might think. Just look back at any NBA draft and compare who went #3 to who went at #10.

I do think the Nets could get more for Mikal Bridges, if they shopped him. Maybe the Mavs couldn't get there with an offer. If I'm the Mavs I add 3 future 1st round picks unprotected if that's what it takes to get the deal done. Mavs FO probably wouldn't do that tho. That said, I don't know another team in the NBA who needs a top 15 player as badly as the Mavs do. If the Mavs don't improve dramatically and real soon, Luka could demand a trade. The Nets would have leverage.

Edit: I think the Mavs would be interested in trading the #10 pick to BKN for DFS & the #21 pick. That's possible too.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#623 » by JKiddy » Fri May 26, 2023 3:00 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:Curious to get some Nets fans reactions to this trade proposal:

BKN Receives: Jaden Hardy, Josh Green, DAL 10th Overall 2023 pick, DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected, DAL 2030 2nd Round Pick, THJ (2 years left at $17.8 M & $16.1 M), Bertans $17 M Expiring next season, Bullock $10.5 M Expiring next season

DAL Receives: Mikal Bridges, Ben Simmons, DFS, Claxton


Follow up thought. If Dallas trades Kyrie to the Lakers in a sign & trade for DLo + a 2029 Lakers 1st round pick unprotected, and then DAL was able to offer that '29 LAL 1st round pick Unprotected in place of the DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected. Would that make the deal more intriguing to you?


This is a troll job correct? No intelligent NBA fan who knows the value or players and has common sense would seriously post this right?
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#624 » by TheNetsFan » Fri May 26, 2023 3:28 pm

JKiddy wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:Curious to get some Nets fans reactions to this trade proposal:

BKN Receives: Jaden Hardy, Josh Green, DAL 10th Overall 2023 pick, DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected, DAL 2030 2nd Round Pick, THJ (2 years left at $17.8 M & $16.1 M), Bertans $17 M Expiring next season, Bullock $10.5 M Expiring next season

DAL Receives: Mikal Bridges, Ben Simmons, DFS, Claxton


Follow up thought. If Dallas trades Kyrie to the Lakers in a sign & trade for DLo + a 2029 Lakers 1st round pick unprotected, and then DAL was able to offer that '29 LAL 1st round pick Unprotected in place of the DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected. Would that make the deal more intriguing to you?


This is a troll job correct? No intelligent NBA fan who knows the value or players and has common sense would seriously post this right?

Trade us by far the 3 best players in the deal, 4 if Simmons gets to 80% of what he used to be (all under 30), and we'll give you the tenth pick and a future first. No? Ok we'll throw in a 2nd 7 years from now.

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#625 » by JKiddy » Fri May 26, 2023 5:21 pm

I literally laughed so hard I spit out my coffee this morning reading it. I love REAL GM! Now this is why I have returned!

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#626 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sat May 27, 2023 12:15 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
JKiddy wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:Curious to get some Nets fans reactions to this trade proposal:

BKN Receives: Jaden Hardy, Josh Green, DAL 10th Overall 2023 pick, DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected, DAL 2030 2nd Round Pick, THJ (2 years left at $17.8 M & $16.1 M), Bertans $17 M Expiring next season, Bullock $10.5 M Expiring next season

DAL Receives: Mikal Bridges, Ben Simmons, DFS, Claxton


Follow up thought. If Dallas trades Kyrie to the Lakers in a sign & trade for DLo + a 2029 Lakers 1st round pick unprotected, and then DAL was able to offer that '29 LAL 1st round pick Unprotected in place of the DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected. Would that make the deal more intriguing to you?


This is a troll job correct? No intelligent NBA fan who knows the value or players and has common sense would seriously post this right?

Trade us by far the 3 best players in the deal, 4 if Simmons gets to 80% of what he used to be (all under 30), and we'll give you the tenth pick and a future first. No? Ok we'll throw in a 2nd 7 years from now.

:roll:


"by far the 3 best players in the deal..."

Holy Cow! I don't know where to start. That means you think Dorian Finney-Smith or Ben Simmons have more value than Jaden Hardy?!

Have you ever watched a minute of Dallas Mavericks basketball. First, Ben Simmons is a negative asset. He has a 6-10 240 lb body and his head is orbiting somewhere around Pluto. He's only played 42 games the past 2 seasons. He's like Chuck Knoblauch. He has the yips. Too scared to attempt an open 3 point shot or even to attempt to dunk a basketball from 2 feet away. Ben Simmons has no value on the trade market. If Nets attempted to trade Simmons independently, it would take multiple picks to entice another team to accept Simmons. Facts.

Hardy is much more valuable than DFS. I would go on to discuss this, but it'll just be a waste of time. All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#627 » by GTR11 » Sat May 27, 2023 1:43 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
kan_t wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:Curious to get some Nets fans reactions to this trade proposal:

BKN Receives: Jaden Hardy, Josh Green, DAL 10th Overall 2023 pick, DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected, DAL 2030 2nd Round Pick, THJ (2 years left at $17.8 M & $16.1 M), Bertans $17 M Expiring next season, Bullock $10.5 M Expiring next season

DAL Receives: Mikal Bridges, Ben Simmons, DFS, Claxton


Follow up thought. If Dallas trades Kyrie to the Lakers in a sign & trade for DLo + a 2029 Lakers 1st round pick unprotected, and then DAL was able to offer that '29 LAL 1st round pick Unprotected in place of the DAL 2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected. Would that make the deal more intriguing to you?

The Nets are not trying to tank.


The Nets are in a tough spot. Mikal Bridges is a top 15 player in this league and about to turn 27 yrs old. However, he's in that 10 to 15 range, and on his own, Mikal is not good enough to take a team to a title. You'd have to add more. Extending Nic Claxton and Cameron Johnsons are not enough.

Due to the Harden trade, the Nets have lost 2 1st round picks to HOU over the next 4 drafts. The Nets could trade for a player like Dame Lillard and go into win now mode. I think it makes more sense to trade Mikal for young promising players + as much draft capital as they can amass i.e. go the OKC route. Trade Joe Harris at next year's trade deadline. Clear out trash like Ben Simmons without having to attach a 1st round pick. Get in on every young FA you can over the next several off seasons. Be one of the few teams with a ton of cap space. Players like Markelle Fultz are enticing. I'd rather go that direction if I were the Nets, but maybe they prefer win now mode.

This is you major mistake and rest is just chain reaction to what you'd assume.
• In order to understand why, you need to hear what Owner/GM say. At no point they indicated or gave us hint they going to rebuild traditional way through the draft. Opposite will be true.
• After extension and in his end of the season presser, Marks said that he has blank check and few years to work with. Most here with cap knowledge will tell that Marks had some type of retool plan been being planned couple years ago. The way he structured contracts indicated that much.

So as you mentioned, we don't have our own picks which makes tanking useless and harmful to what ownership tried to establish. We in a biggest market with the team that monopolized it for the better half of the century. So building new and young fan base is a must. How they doing it is why we have civil war going on here. But that another topic.

All and all what our GM and beats say is that Bridges, CamJ and Nic is pretty much our future. Rest of the players like DFS already said they understand business aspects and know this off-season or next could be their last in black and white. I did come to your board with a trade question about that 10th pick. I really hope Marks will make a move and aquire it even if we have to lose DFS, Royce, Din, CamT and Joe. Most of us here say they redundant here anyway. Some like this player more few others the other one, but will be happy to move them if right situation will come along. Taylor Hendricks is that shiny toy, keep majority of the fan base exited and happy for some time while we is star chase process again :lol:
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#628 » by MaxZaslofskyJr » Sat May 27, 2023 2:56 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote: All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#629 » by GTR11 » Sat May 27, 2023 4:27 am

MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote: All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Like who?

I'm not familiar with any player on this roster that haven't been traded multiple times already :lol:

Me, I'm all in to trade Bridges for Scoot. CamJ and DFS for Hendricks etc.

Thing is, most of us don't want some trash and maybe down the road prospects for our already established guys. What y'all doing here in a first place than? We good, we got time to work with. Teams that we monitoring, not so much.

Langdon left NOP, MJ selling Hornets, Saltics game away from coming short yet again with Brown, Dame is 33 and won't get younger etc.

We on the other hand have more internal questions about this roster. If anything, it will be wise to wait and see who is Bridges as a top dog, can Ben get healthy and be an all star he is, how and why CamJ is valuable for this team, was Nic's healthy season a fluke etc. If anything, we the one who should just sit back and watch what will happen around the league while taking our time.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#630 » by MaxZaslofskyJr » Sat May 27, 2023 11:15 am

GTR11 wrote:
MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote: All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Like who?


Like who, what?
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#631 » by GTR11 » Sat May 27, 2023 11:39 am

MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:
GTR11 wrote:
MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:Took the words right out of my mouth.

Like who?


Like who, what?

Who EXACTLY WE OVER VALUE here.

I'm pretty sure better half here traded anyone for their preference while giving up assets.

Need an example?
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Post#632 » by Netaman » Sat May 27, 2023 3:11 pm

This seems like such an obvious "we want the 3rd pick but also want to take advantage of portlan's dame desperation to maximum effect". Masai is going to clean up with both Portland and Houston tripping over themselves to attract their stars.

Honestly not crazy to think he could send one of them OG+ and Siakam to the other and get both picks to surround Barnes and really jump start a rebuild. Extend Poetl and they wouldn't even be that bad in the present.

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#633 » by Marvin Martian » Sat May 27, 2023 4:50 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
JKiddy wrote:
This is a troll job correct? No intelligent NBA fan who knows the value or players and has common sense would seriously post this right?

Trade us by far the 3 best players in the deal, 4 if Simmons gets to 80% of what he used to be (all under 30), and we'll give you the tenth pick and a future first. No? Ok we'll throw in a 2nd 7 years from now.

:roll:


"by far the 3 best players in the deal..."

Holy Cow! I don't know where to start. That means you think Dorian Finney-Smith or Ben Simmons have more value than Jaden Hardy?!

Have you ever watched a minute of Dallas Mavericks basketball. First, Ben Simmons is a negative asset. He has a 6-10 240 lb body and his head is orbiting somewhere around Pluto. He's only played 42 games the past 2 seasons. He's like Chuck Knoblauch. He has the yips. Too scared to attempt an open 3 point shot or even to attempt to dunk a basketball from 2 feet away. Ben Simmons has no value on the trade market. If Nets attempted to trade Simmons independently, it would take multiple picks to entice another team to accept Simmons. Facts.

Hardy is much more valuable than DFS. I would go on to discuss this, but it'll just be a waste of time. All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.

Scoring guards are a dime a dozen in today's league. It is much harder to find a player with Ben's skillset than Hardy. We already know what Ben is capable of and if he comes back to be somewhat near his rookie form, then this deal is highway robbery.

It is you that is overvaluing your team's players. There is nothing that Hardy has done to prove that he is a better prospect than Cam Thomas
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#634 » by MaxZaslofskyJr » Sat May 27, 2023 4:52 pm

GTR11 wrote:
MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:
GTR11 wrote:Like who?


Like who, what?

Who EXACTLY WE OVER VALUE here.

I'm pretty sure better half here traded anyone for their preference while giving up assets.

Need an example?


Look over your head. Flying over it is the point you missed. My comment - subtle tho' it might have been - was to imply that it wasn't Nets fans over-valuing their players.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#635 » by JKiddy » Sat May 27, 2023 7:21 pm

MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:
GTR11 wrote:
MaxZaslofskyJr wrote:Like who, what?

Who EXACTLY WE OVER VALUE here.

I'm pretty sure better half here traded anyone for their preference while giving up assets.

Need an example?


Look over your head. Flying over it is the point you missed. My comment - subtle tho' it might have been - was to imply that it wasn't Nets fans over-valuing their players.


FACTS 8-)
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#636 » by Netaman » Sat May 27, 2023 7:52 pm

going to be a very interesting draft. gotta think lillard is going to decide his own fate even though portland is obviously seemingly trying to keep him.

philly, miami, nyk, boston, brooklyn would all seem like possible destinations and the east wide open.

The Nets have genuine interest in trying to pry Damian Lillard away from Portland.

But it brings up a debate that is far more nuanced than simply saying the Nets should or shouldn’t attempt to trade for the Trail Blazers star.

That’s overly simplistic.

One can’t do the Lillard calculus without all the variables.

Is this summer the right time for the Nets to get back into the superstar business?

Is Lillard the right star to pursue? And at what cost?


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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#637 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat May 27, 2023 11:55 pm

Are we really going to trade for Lillard?

I just don't see us giving a ton of value for a 32 year old who is always injured.

Wait for something better.

The only counter is maybe the East is weaker than we thought. Philly, Milwaukee, Boston all imploding to Miami lol.

Maybe Brdiges and Dame can get us somewhere in the playoffs.
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Post#638 » by Netaman » Sun May 28, 2023 2:05 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Are we really going to trade for Lillard?

I just don't see us giving a ton of value for a 32 year old who is always injured.

Wait for something better.

The only counter is maybe the East is weaker than we thought. Philly, Milwaukee, Boston all imploding to Miami lol.

Maybe Brdiges and Dame can get us somewhere in the playoffs.


The east is wide open and getting worse with harden possibly departing, milwaukee and boston possibly both changing coaches and losing some pieces.

Lillard and Bridges is a legitimate combo for a few years and even though none of us are counting on it, Simmons would fit perfectly with those 2 (plus Claxton as a rim runner and CJ spreading the floor).

you don't go billy king crazy to get it done, but if dame wants to come here and portland is willing to take the phoenix picks + cam thomas + salary filler I think you do it.

KD for Lillard, Bridges, CJ ends up a pretty damn good deal.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#639 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 28, 2023 2:43 am

Marvin Martian wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Trade us by far the 3 best players in the deal, 4 if Simmons gets to 80% of what he used to be (all under 30), and we'll give you the tenth pick and a future first. No? Ok we'll throw in a 2nd 7 years from now.

:roll:


"by far the 3 best players in the deal..."

Holy Cow! I don't know where to start. That means you think Dorian Finney-Smith or Ben Simmons have more value than Jaden Hardy?!

Have you ever watched a minute of Dallas Mavericks basketball. First, Ben Simmons is a negative asset. He has a 6-10 240 lb body and his head is orbiting somewhere around Pluto. He's only played 42 games the past 2 seasons. He's like Chuck Knoblauch. He has the yips. Too scared to attempt an open 3 point shot or even to attempt to dunk a basketball from 2 feet away. Ben Simmons has no value on the trade market. If Nets attempted to trade Simmons independently, it would take multiple picks to entice another team to accept Simmons. Facts.

Hardy is much more valuable than DFS. I would go on to discuss this, but it'll just be a waste of time. All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.

Scoring guards are a dime a dozen in today's league. It is much harder to find a player with Ben's skillset than Hardy. We already know what Ben is capable of and if he comes back to be somewhat near his rookie form, then this deal is highway robbery.

It is you that is overvaluing your team's players. There is nothing that Hardy has done to prove that he is a better prospect than Cam Thomas


Lol cool. Keep Simmons. No one wants Ben.

If ya'll knew how to evaluate the players & the picks, then you'd be able to come back with a counter offer that you did think was fair. I'm not going to get one of those. You don't know where the market is for your players. You over value them. I also don't hear anyone here having an intelligent discussion about the value of future draft picks.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#640 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sun May 28, 2023 3:22 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:
"by far the 3 best players in the deal..."

Holy Cow! I don't know where to start. That means you think Dorian Finney-Smith or Ben Simmons have more value than Jaden Hardy?!

Have you ever watched a minute of Dallas Mavericks basketball. First, Ben Simmons is a negative asset. He has a 6-10 240 lb body and his head is orbiting somewhere around Pluto. He's only played 42 games the past 2 seasons. He's like Chuck Knoblauch. He has the yips. Too scared to attempt an open 3 point shot or even to attempt to dunk a basketball from 2 feet away. Ben Simmons has no value on the trade market. If Nets attempted to trade Simmons independently, it would take multiple picks to entice another team to accept Simmons. Facts.

Hardy is much more valuable than DFS. I would go on to discuss this, but it'll just be a waste of time. All I'll say is how original. A fan who overvalues his team's players.

Scoring guards are a dime a dozen in today's league. It is much harder to find a player with Ben's skillset than Hardy. We already know what Ben is capable of and if he comes back to be somewhat near his rookie form, then this deal is highway robbery.

It is you that is overvaluing your team's players. There is nothing that Hardy has done to prove that he is a better prospect than Cam Thomas


Lol cool. Keep Simmons. No one wants Ben.

If ya'll knew how to evaluate the players & the picks, then you'd be able to come back with a counter offer that you did think was fair. I'm not going to get one of those. You don't know where the market is for your players. You over value them. I also don't hear anyone here having an intelligent discussion about the value of future draft picks.


Dude nobody wants your stupid trade. If anybody overvalues players its you.

That trade is straight garbage.

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