Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[chrisab123]

There's zero chance they break up Smart Tatum and Brown. We should be used to that. Smart will be here until his career is over. This is the only place that he can be empowered to shoot 3s at will and believe that hes the #1 option. This core sucks. They need changes. Period. I hope Mazzula gets canned tomorrow but its not going to happen.

[Jacobkowal]

Off the top of my head I’d be interested in something that involved one of Ingram/Bridges/Siakam/Bane.

JB was great in the finals last year, he has a lot of value even if it doesn’t feel like it right now. He almost certainly was playing injured with his hand and wrist which exacerbated the poor handle.

But…we need a better fit. I’d rather keep JB than make the wrong trade though.

I’d add Markkanen to that list

[robbie84]

His playoffs has hurt his trade value.
The only 3 guys I'd trade him for would be
1) Luka (if he wants out of Dallas)
2) Dame
3) Ja Morant if he needs a fresh start

Actually I'd add Zion and perhaps Julius Randle to that list.

Who else am I missing? Jaylen Brunson?
Giannis ain't going anywhere.
We need toughness. Dame is the gettable one but we'd get him for 2 or 3 seasons before he completely falls off.

[djFan71]

Twist on the simons, 3 thing.

POR : brown for Simons, 3
IND: 3, Kornet for Turner, 7
TOR: 7, Brogdon for OG
BOS: Simons, Turner, OG for Brown, Brogdon p, Kornet

Unsure in the Indy/TOR parts. Feels like TOR could add a little to IND.
Maybe Hauser and / or Pritchard to IND for salary balance as well.

[GoCeltics123]

We're not getting anything for him since other teams can't extend him

[djFan71]

We're not getting anything for him since other teams can't extend him

They can extend up to 140%, right? Just not super max.
Not sure on the timing of that new CBA 140% thing, though

[big-shot-ROB]

There's no path for this team to increase their ring chances next year that involves trading Brown unless a big time player becomes available out of nothing.

Brown is probably as good as a second option as you can ask for. But our ISO no movement no sets no motion offense just makes his shortcomings worse.

The path is been clear all season:
- Get a new coach
- Get a proper PG
- Get Horf and Rob insurances

[Cuban Pete]

At least around 10 3pt Attempts per 100 Possessions ---> a player is comfortable shooting threes
At least 80% FT Percentage ---> good shooting mechanics
3pt%??? ---> a deceptive stat that is easily skewed and prone to small samples

Players who check both boxes is what the Celtics should be looking for. Such players are reliable shooters. Tatum is the only reliable shooter on the team. The Heat have 3 of these players (4 if you count Herro). That's why the Cs are going home. Miami grabbed 3 undrafted players who fulfilled these two criteria in college: Robinson, Strus, and Vincent. Pat Riley knows what to look for, while Danny and Brad were clueless. I wanted Jamal Murray over Jaylen Brown in the 2016 draft. I wanted Jordan Poole over Romeo Langford in the 2019 draft and still wanted him over Grant Williams later in that draft. I would have never agreed to give up Nesmith AND a #1 pick for Brogdon. I never wanted Brogdon, who had the worst contract on the Pacers books. They must still be snickering over the fleecing at Brad Stevens expense. Now that the Cs have been eliminated, the team has officially moved backwards and the jury is in on Brogdon. Stevens is gulity of incompetence.

I would try to deal Brown to Cleveland for Donovan Mitchell. DM is a better fit for the Cs. I'm confident that JB will agree to an extension in Cleveland rather than risk it all on one season. DM struggled a bit against the Knicks in the playoffs. He can't be paired to an elf guard like Garland.

[NO-KG-AI]

There's no path for this team to increase their ring chances next year that involves trading Brown unless a big time player becomes available out of nothing.

Brown is probably as good as a second option as you can ask for. But our ISO no movement no sets no motion offense just makes his shortcomings worse.

The path is been clear all season:
- Get a new coach
- Get a proper PG
- Get Horf and Rob insurances

I don't have a particular player in mind, but I think the Celtics could improve with a player who isn't a better player, but is a much better fit with Tatum that covers some of the Celtics deficiencies better. I think an actual guard who has high level ball handling and creation skills would make them better, even if he's a step down from Brown in a vacuum. I think they could get a guy like that +additional value for a wing of Brown's caliber, and they'd improve in the short and long term. Could be a win win trade for teams that are desperate for players more like Brown.

[big-shot-ROB]

There's no path for this team to increase their ring chances next year that involves trading Brown unless a big time player becomes available out of nothing.

Brown is probably as good as a second option as you can ask for. But our ISO no movement no sets no motion offense just makes his shortcomings worse.

The path is been clear all season:
- Get a new coach
- Get a proper PG
- Get Horf and Rob insurances

I don't have a particular player in mind, but I think the Celtics could improve with a player who isn't a better player, but is a much better fit with Tatum that covers some of the Celtics deficiencies better. I think an actual guard who has high level ball handling and creation skills would make them better, even if he's a step down from Brown in a vacuum. I think they could get a guy like that +additional value for a wing of Brown's caliber, and they'd improve in the short and long term. Could be a win win trade for teams that are desperate for players more like Brown.

We'll if there's no name then we're talking pure non-sense. And please I can't hear more of Trae or Simmons. Same plastic people that lose their minds on GTs suggesting midgets that would get abused every trip down the floor.

[Decipher]

Guys, I am a Nets fan

Tatum and Brown are still really young

MJ was 2-3 years older than them when he won his first title

While I agree that $60 million per is a tough amount to swallow, you don’t trade Jaylen for anything less than a motherload

[King Ken]

Just a FYI, he can only sign the supermax with Boston. If he was traded before his first contract ended, then he could sign the supermax with the next team like Harden did

[Marvel]

Guys, I am a Nets fan

Tatum and Brown are still really young

MJ was 2-3 years older than them when he won his first title

While I agree that $60 million per is a tough amount to swallow, you don’t trade Jaylen for anything less than a motherload

And Bird won his first ring at 24. Magic won his first at 22. We're not playing that here.

Motherload? LOL he aint that guy.

[soxfan2003]

Guys, I am a Nets fan

Tatum and Brown are still really young

MJ was 2-3 years older than them when he won his first title

While I agree that $60 million per is a tough amount to swallow, you don’t trade Jaylen for anything less than a motherload

And Bird won his first ring at 24. Magic won his first at 22. We're not playing that here.

Motherload? LOL he aint that guy.

K Leonard also finals mvp at around 22.

Magic was 20 unless I am mistaken.

[Decipher]

Guys, I am a Nets fan

Tatum and Brown are still really young

MJ was 2-3 years older than them when he won his first title

While I agree that $60 million per is a tough amount to swallow, you don’t trade Jaylen for anything less than a motherload

And Bird won his first ring at 24. Magic won his first at 22. We're not playing that here.

Motherload? LOL he aint that guy.

Donovan Mitchell ain’t that guy either

Neither is Gobert

[Marvel]

Guys, I am a Nets fan

Tatum and Brown are still really young

MJ was 2-3 years older than them when he won his first title

While I agree that $60 million per is a tough amount to swallow, you don’t trade Jaylen for anything less than a motherload

And Bird won his first ring at 24. Magic won his first at 22. We're not playing that here.

Motherload? LOL he aint that guy.

Donovan Mitchell ain’t that guy either

Neither is Gobert

Yes. Neither of them are that guy and i didn't implore trading for any of them lol

[Decipher]

And Bird won his first ring at 24. Magic won his first at 22. We're not playing that here.

Motherload? LOL he aint that guy.

Donovan Mitchell ain’t that guy either

Neither is Gobert

Yes. Neither of them are that guy and i didn't implore trading for any of them lol

I am simply looking at returns

[jonige94]

Brad is going to do the confortable thing, which is bringing everyone back, and thats why we wont win anything for a long time.

Haliburton is the one I'd go for but i highly doubt Indy will trade him.

[Marvel]

Donovan Mitchell ain’t that guy either

Neither is Gobert

Yes. Neither of them are that guy and i didn't implore trading for any of them lol

I am simply looking at returns

Ahh you mean in draft picks? Got you. Yes, if we can get a good haul of 1st round picks in addition to at least 1 star player that would be a good return

[Decipher]

Yes. Neither of them are that guy and i didn't implore trading for any of them lol

I am simply looking at returns

Ahh you mean in draft picks? Got you. Yes, if we can get a good haul of 1st round picks in addition to at least 1 star player that would be a good return

There’s lots of teams in turmoil after these playoffs and others who believe that they are one big move away