Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[hugepatsfan]

For me, I'm past the point of looking at players individually. We aren't in the collecting talent stage anymore. It's about fit. Our team is less than the sum of its parts. It's not just about winning value on trades, it's about how the ensuing roster fits together. You might have player X as better than player Y, but if player Y plays a complimentary game to the rest of your roster then you are better off with him.

Everything for me should be about how the pieces fit together. Any potential move should be made envisioning certain lineup combinations and how the players on the floor would compliment each other.

[tfribs45]

Hope everyone realizes their is a 99.9% chance Tatum and Brown are both wearing a Celtics jersey next year. The only real question is how much Jaylen Brown gets on his extension? I mean if you want to stay in the real world.

On a side note, Malcolm Brogdon has done it again to another team. Brogdon probably is going to get surgery and not be ready for next season. Celtics probably won't be able to trade him and can probably count on 40-45 games from Brogdon next year. Stevens knew what he was getting into with Brogdon.

this is the land of make believe man lol, too soon too soon smh

[tfribs45]

Hope everyone realizes their is a 99.9% chance Tatum and Brown are both wearing a Celtics jersey next year. The only real question is how much Jaylen Brown gets on his extension? I mean if you want to stay in the real world.

On a side note, Malcolm Brogdon has done it again to another team. Brogdon probably is going to get surgery and not be ready for next season. Celtics probably won't be able to trade him and can probably count on 40-45 games from Brogdon next year. Stevens knew what he was getting into with Brogdon.

this thread is the land of make believe man lol, too soon too soon smh

[Triple7]

Last one for today

Portland gets Brown, Gallo, Jonas Valanciunas

Pelicans get Brogdon

OKC gets Robert Williams

Celtics get
Lillard, Nurkic, Trey Murphy 3, Kenrich Williams, Jaylin Williams



Dame/Pritch
White/Smart
Tatum/Kenrich
Murphy/JWilliams
Nurkic/Horford

Now that’s a championship lineup. Also loved that you moved smart to the bench. White is emerging already. Only untouchable guys for me should be Tatum and White.

[Triple7]

For me, I'm past the point of looking at players individually. We aren't in the collecting talent stage anymore. It's about fit. Our team is less than the sum of its parts. It's not just about winning value on trades, it's about how the ensuing roster fits together. You might have player X as better than player Y, but if player Y plays a complimentary game to the rest of your roster then you are better off with him.

Everything for me should be about how the pieces fit together. Any potential move should be made envisioning certain lineup combinations and how the players on the floor would compliment each other.

That’s exactly right. You can collect talent, but move them for a better fit, better balance. I don’t think having 2 wings for your stars fit. Tatum is better off pairing with a point guard or a center. Much like Jokic and Murray. Those guys fit. With Tatum and Brown its more like a my turn, your turn combo. Tatum gets the ball during crunch time and brown is left watching. much of the plays on crunch time revolves around smart and Tatum.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Apparently his difficulties in finding a place have ended...

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[chrisab123]

Apparently his difficulties in finding a place have ended...

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Which Saudi Prince is he buying from? Those things are like 70% empty lol.

[Hal14]

For me, I'm past the point of looking at players individually. We aren't in the collecting talent stage anymore. It's about fit. Our team is less than the sum of its parts. It's not just about winning value on trades, it's about how the ensuing roster fits together. You might have player X as better than player Y, but if player Y plays a complimentary game to the rest of your roster then you are better off with him.

Everything for me should be about how the pieces fit together. Any potential move should be made envisioning certain lineup combinations and how the players on the floor would compliment each other.

Fair enough. Question is, what type of player(s) could we add that would be a good fit?

-Veterans
-At least 1 guy who can create his own shot (this is a must, if Brogdon gets moved)
-At least 1 big who can rebound, block shots and catch lobs (we have Rob but he's not reliable enough - need to either trade Rob and replace him w/ a more durable guy who does this stuff, or add another big who does this stuff)
-Guys who aren't a defensive liability
-Guys who can shoot
-Guys who move the ball, know how to quickly find the open man, are not a black hole on offense

[chrisab123]

Hope everyone realizes their is a 99.9% chance Tatum and Brown are both wearing a Celtics jersey next year. The only real question is how much Jaylen Brown gets on his extension? I mean if you want to stay in the real world.

On a side note, Malcolm Brogdon has done it again to another team. Brogdon probably is going to get surgery and not be ready for next season. Celtics probably won't be able to trade him and can probably count on 40-45 games from Brogdon next year. Stevens knew what he was getting into with Brogdon.

He got him for free more or less. I don't give a **** if the guy plays in the regular season.

[Hal14]

For me, I'm past the point of looking at players individually. We aren't in the collecting talent stage anymore. It's about fit. Our team is less than the sum of its parts. It's not just about winning value on trades, it's about how the ensuing roster fits together. You might have player X as better than player Y, but if player Y plays a complimentary game to the rest of your roster then you are better off with him.

Everything for me should be about how the pieces fit together. Any potential move should be made envisioning certain lineup combinations and how the players on the floor would compliment each other.

That’s exactly right. You can collect talent, but move them for a better fit, better balance. I don’t think having 2 wings for your stars fit. Tatum is better off pairing with a point guard or a center. Much like Jokic and Murray. Those guys fit. With Tatum and Brown its more like a my turn, your turn combo. Tatum gets the ball during crunch time and brown is left watching. much of the plays on crunch time revolves around smart and Tatum.

Agreed. Someone like Trae, Siakam or Embiid would be a much better fit with Tatum than Brown is.

Just not sure how realistic it is for them to trade Brown - at least this summer. Perhaps next summer (when he's not on an expiring contract) it'll happen. Plus, if we come up short of winning the title again next season, Brad will feel more pressure to make the big move..

[Curmudgeon]

What? No pressure now after the team has been a huge disappointment? Just let them disappoint again? Because they will.
If nothing else, the new 2nd apron ought to be creating lots of pressure. It's not just the money. It's that your roster is effectively frozen once you go over. Then we can spend all of next year discussing the guys available on the vet minimum.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Biggest issue with this team is the frontcourt. Horford is going to be a year older, Rob isn’t reliable, Grant is inconsistent and going to be expensive.. Jerami Grant sign and trade would be the dream.

There’s no real path to upgrade at the point (unless you trade Jaylen). Attainable with our pieces and better than Smart/White?

You could try dealing Brogdon. He’s a good guy and played well but didn’t have great chemistry on offense, especially with Jaylen.

Grant Williams sign and trades? Idk.

Brogdon trade is the easiest and least disruptive scenario.

And I guess we have the taxpayer MLE again

[Hal14]

What? No pressure now after the team has been a huge disappointment? Just let them disappoint again? Because they will.
If nothing else, the new 2nd apron ought to be creating lots of pressure. It's not just the money. It's that your roster is effectively frozen once you go over. Then we can spend all of next year discussing the guys available on the vet minimum.

Making it to game 7 of the conference finals - and probably making it to the NBA finals if your best player (a top 5 player on the planet) didn't sprain his ankle on the first play of the game - and if your best rim protector wasn't puking all game, despite having a 1st year head coach, matched up against the best coach in the league.

Look, I've made a bunch of posts over the past week or so, suggesting that trading JB could be a good idea (with well researched, well thought out viewpoints). But I'm just trying to be realistic here - just doesn't seem realistic that JB gets traded this summer. Reports are saying that JB will likely sign the supermax, reports are saying JB just bought a new condo in the Seaport, and this was posted too..

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[Curmudgeon]

I don't think they will trade Brown either. But they should. Ten monkeys will recreate the works of Shakespeare by randomly jumping on keyboards before this team as presently constituted wins an NBA title. The pieces don't fit. And they were a major disappointment last year.

The last time I really enjoyed a Celtics team was 2018. That team got closer to the finals than this year's team did.

[Celts17Pride]

Brogdon trade is the easiest and least disruptive scenario.

Not with Brogdon most likely having surgery and playing about 40-45 games next year, not to mention his $22.5 million salary.

[CelticFaninLBC]

For me, I'm past the point of looking at players individually. We aren't in the collecting talent stage anymore. It's about fit. Our team is less than the sum of its parts. It's not just about winning value on trades, it's about how the ensuing roster fits together. You might have player X as better than player Y, but if player Y plays a complimentary game to the rest of your roster then you are better off with him.

Everything for me should be about how the pieces fit together. Any potential move should be made envisioning certain lineup combinations and how the players on the floor would compliment each other.

If they're retaining Mazzulla as the coach, then they need to replace Brown or Smart with a better shooter, since Mazzulla ball revolves around 3 point shooting.

[playa-hater]

Some Houston blog suggested KPJ, Jabari Smith, 4 for Jaylen..

They’re not going to deal him, there are too many reasons they can manufacture to run it back. Tatum was hurt, Brogdon was hurt, Rob was sick.

So true.

And why would the Celtics want young inexperienced players for JB when the Celts are gunning for Banner 18?


If and only if there is that deal the Celts can't refuse and it's also what JB wants, Cs are going to trade JB for a veteran star player who's in his prime.

Lottery pick and young players only sets back the Celtics at this point in time.

That is nothing more than a Bad narrative.. I mean look how well Rookie Murray on Sac helped the team. The Narrative was 7 undrafted players (3 starters) can't beat a team of lottery picks.. yet.

Getting potentially 3 young talents > paying Brown 300 million shouldn't be a debate.

PLUS. how well has it been working with our "veteran core" lately? the last 3 seasons??

You want to win, well JB was fully healthy and was horrible. Having Low IQ players who are turnover prone is not the answer. Factor in his defense was putrid so many times. How much video/game evidence does one need before they see this??

Addition Brown may love playing for Houston so even if you don't think the talent is equal, the odds of getting much better return is not likely. But a better "fit" may go along way to making Boston a better team.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Hope everyone realizes their is a 99.9% chance Tatum and Brown are both wearing a Celtics jersey next year. The only real question is how much Jaylen Brown gets on his extension? I mean if you want to stay in the real world.

On a side note, Malcolm Brogdon has done it again to another team. Brogdon probably is going to get surgery and not be ready for next season. Celtics probably won't be able to trade him and can probably count on 40-45 games from Brogdon next year. Stevens knew what he was getting into with Brogdon.

Yep slim chance Brown is moved given his contract situation.

Can see Smart getting moved, if Mazzulla is retain, since they'll likely continue taking nearly half their shots from 3 and Smart shoots just 34% from 3.

[Celts17Pride]

The Celtics and Brad Stevens biggest moves this off-season are going to be getting 4-5 new assistant coaches around Joe Mazzulla.

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Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe reported Tuesday that Ben Sullivan, Aaron Miles and Mike Moser are three Celtics assistants that are expected to join Udoka’s staff in Houston.

[165bows]

The Celtics and Brad Stevens biggest moves this off-season are going to be getting 4-5 new assistant coaches around Joe Mazzulla.

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Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe reported Tuesday that Ben Sullivan, Aaron Miles and Mike Moser are three Celtics assistants that are expected to join Udoka’s staff in Houston.

Mike D'Antoni. Make it happen.

Edit: should have made it terms of his release he couldn't poach this whole staff.