How many titles does Lebron have simply staying with the Heat?

[KrAzY3]

How big a LeBron stan do you have to be to pick 5?

Under the standard/logic that Lebrons don't count because of "superteam", then yes, Jordans 6 would not count either.

Are we calling Jordan's teams superteams just because they had Jordan on them? Horace Grant was a one time All-Star.

[Kawaii Leonard]

Jumping from team to team in your prime and helping orchestrate trades and FA signings in order to stack the deck in your favor is something no player has ever done before. And it’s always going to take away from his success.

I agree he should have stuck it out with Mo Will and Boobie
Gibson entering his prime instead. *Dan Gilbert comic sans*

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

I like how when he wants to be involved in the team’s talks about signings and trades, it’s LeGM and he’s stacking the deck. But when the org fails him for 7 years and he walks away in FREE agency, it’s some kind of backstabbing for not staying during pure incompetency. Make it make sense.

[twyzted]

Under the universe that they had a relatively superior and better constructed team than the rest of the league.

Every Team with prime Jordan in it, is superior.
"Better constructed" doesnt mean Super-Team either. Dallas 2011 was well constructed.

They won 55 games without Jordan the next year. The 2nd 3-peat had multiple other hall of famers. All of them were deep, well constructed and had a GOAT coach. They were definitely superteams.

No. They were not.

[Taj FTW]

Every Team with prime Jordan in it, is superior.
"Better constructed" doesnt mean Super-Team either. Dallas 2011 was well constructed.

They won 55 games without Jordan the next year. The 2nd 3-peat had multiple other hall of famers. All of them were deep, well constructed and had a GOAT coach. They were definitely superteams.

No. They were not.

We already took a poll on this here at RealGM. RealGM deemed them superteams. You're wrong, brotha.

[Prince187]

I agree he should have stuck it out with Mo Will and Boobie
Gibson entering his prime instead. *Dan Gilbert comic sans*

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

I agree he should have stuck it out with Mo Will and Boobie
Gibson entering his prime instead. *Dan Gilbert comic sans*

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

Imagine legitimately thinking those Cleveland teams were built well around him, lol. And nobody wanted to go there because it is ****ing Cleveland.

I agree he should have stuck it out with Mo Will and Boobie
Gibson entering his prime instead. *Dan Gilbert comic sans*

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

They couldn't get star players because they were Cleveland and they made some pretty short-sighted cap decisions.

Those teams were.only "good" because of LeBron...

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

[twyzted]

They won 55 games without Jordan the next year. The 2nd 3-peat had multiple other hall of famers. All of them were deep, well constructed and had a GOAT coach. They were definitely superteams.

No. They were not.

We already took a poll on this here at RealGM. RealGM deemed them superteams. You're wrong, brotha.

So why do you call Lebron the GOAT? Multible polls on realgm and other sites have Jordan as GOAT. So im gonna assume you will just accept it and say that Jordan is the GOAT.

[Kawaii Leonard]

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

Imagine legitimately thinking those Cleveland teams were built well around him, lol. And nobody wanted to go there because it is ****ing Cleveland.

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

They couldn't get star players because they were Cleveland and they made some pretty short-sighted cap decisions.

Those teams were.only "good" because of LeBron...

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

Yes they were great with the entire offense running through one of the most heliocentric offenses I’ve ever seen in my life. One man army with guys spotting up in the corner. With Mr. Potato Head Mike Brown not knowing what an actual play is. I agree that’s what LeBron needs, 3+D from scrubs. At the minimum. The bare minimum for his ball dominant play to work. That’s how much he carried these bums to finals they had no business being in. You don’t think a prime Shaq or the most elite 3&D player Klay (one of the greatest shooters of all time) could’ve helped him out? Or a dpoy (dray)? Or the second best player after you (KD)? Or a two-way winner like Pippen? Anyone to give him some rest with the entire offense falling apart when he’s out on the bench? Regular season standings are not indicators for playoff or championship success to the 100%. Come playoffs, you need a robin at the very least and he was never given one during the entirety of his first stint in Cleveland. End of story. I do agree that the Varejao injury put the last nail in the coffin w Antawn and Mo lagging in the following yr. But they don’t compare to other construct-around-1 superstar rosters like the mavs for example. Not even close.

Kidd, Marion, Dpoy Chandler, Caron Butler, Jet, Barea, Stevenson, Peja >>> Mo, Ant, Delonte, Z, Varejao, A. Parker, Gibson, 37 yr Shaq.

And you fault him for not wanting to stay and rot in Cleveland?

Also, about Amar’e:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/399655-amare-stoudemire-the-one-that-got-away-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers.amp.html

What you’re claiming are just rumors, which are rampant before free agency. The cavs were the ones to decline the trade because they wanted to keep Hickson. Please read that article, it highlights exactly everything I’ve said above, about the incompetency that LeBron walked away from.

[Taj FTW]

No. They were not.

We already took a poll on this here at RealGM. RealGM deemed them superteams. You're wrong, brotha.

So why do you call Lebron the GOAT? Multible polls on realgm and other sites have Jordan as GOAT. So im gonna assume you will just accept it and say that Jordan is the GOAT.

You talking about the PC board rankings? LeBron won that bro. Checkmate, mate.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

We already took a poll on this here at RealGM. RealGM deemed them superteams. You're wrong, brotha.

So why do you call Lebron the GOAT? Multible polls on realgm and other sites have Jordan as GOAT. So im gonna assume you will just accept it and say that Jordan is the GOAT.

You talking about the PC board rankings? LeBron won that bro. Checkmate, mate.

He's not. He's talking about the poll(maybe more than one, but I only remember one) ran right here on the GB simply asking who was the GOAT, that had hundreds of total votes, that Jordan won by a wide margin.

[KrAzY3]

So why do you call Lebron the GOAT? Multible polls on realgm and other sites have Jordan as GOAT. So im gonna assume you will just accept it and say that Jordan is the GOAT.

You talking about the PC board rankings? LeBron won that bro. Checkmate, mate.

He's not. He's talking about the poll(maybe more than one, but I only remember one) ran right here on the GB simply asking who was the GOAT, that had hundreds of total votes, that Jordan won by a wide margin.

You don't understand, LeBron won one poll once, that proves he's the GOAT!

[twyzted]

We already took a poll on this here at RealGM. RealGM deemed them superteams. You're wrong, brotha.

So why do you call Lebron the GOAT? Multible polls on realgm and other sites have Jordan as GOAT. So im gonna assume you will just accept it and say that Jordan is the GOAT.

You talking about the PC board rankings? LeBron won that bro. Checkmate, mate.

Nah it was to small of a sample size.

here
And
here

[Taj FTW]

So why do you call Lebron the GOAT? Multible polls on realgm and other sites have Jordan as GOAT. So im gonna assume you will just accept it and say that Jordan is the GOAT.

You talking about the PC board rankings? LeBron won that bro. Checkmate, mate.

Nah it was to small of a sample size.

here
And
here

Lol a RealGM poll taken in 2020? That's what you're trying to pull here? Sad.

[twyzted]

You talking about the PC board rankings? LeBron won that bro. Checkmate, mate.

Nah it was to small of a sample size.

here
And
here

Lol a RealGM poll taken in 2020? That's what you're trying to pull here? Sad.

37 people voted on the pc board, this has 660 voters.

Also here recent poll from nba players.

Also from this year

So are you going to cling on to the 37 vote poll because it fits your narrative?

[dWadeOwnzYou]

A big fat 0.

[Prince187]

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

Imagine legitimately thinking those Cleveland teams were built well around him, lol. And nobody wanted to go there because it is ****ing Cleveland.

They couldn't get star players because they were Cleveland and they made some pretty short-sighted cap decisions.

Those teams were.only "good" because of LeBron...

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

Yes they were great with the entire offense running through one of the most heliocentric offenses I’ve ever seen in my life. One man army with guys spotting up in the corner. With Mr. Potato Head Mike Brown not knowing what an actual play is. I agree that’s what LeBron needs, 3+D from scrubs. At the minimum. The bare minimum for his ball dominant play to work. That’s how much he carried these bums to finals they had no business being in. You don’t think a prime Shaq or the most elite 3&D player Klay (one of the greatest shooters of all time) could’ve helped him out? Or a dpoy (dray)? Or the second best player after you (KD)? Or a two-way winner like Pippen? Anyone to give him some rest with the entire offense falling apart when he’s out on the bench? Regular season standings are not indicators for playoff or championship success to the 100%. Come playoffs, you need a robin at the very least and he was never given one during the entirety of his first stint in Cleveland. End of story. I do agree that the Varejao injury put the last nail in the coffin w Antawn and Mo lagging in the following yr. But they don’t compare to other construct-around-1 superstar rosters like the mavs for example. Not even close.

Kidd, Marion, Dpoy Chandler, Caron Butler, Jet, Barea, Stevenson, Peja >>> Mo, Ant, Delonte, Z, Varejao, A. Parker, Gibson, 37 yr Shaq.

And you fault him for not wanting to stay and rot in Cleveland?

Also, about Amar’e:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/399655-amare-stoudemire-the-one-that-got-away-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers.amp.html

What you’re claiming are just rumors, which are rampant before free agency. The cavs were the ones to decline the trade because they wanted to keep Hickson. Please read that article, it highlights exactly everything I’ve said above, about the incompetency that LeBron walked away from.

Look there’s only one point here. Those Cavs teams were really good and ownership was committed to doing whatever it took to win a championship. Those teams were guaranteed to make a deep run and compete for a championship every year. But they weren’t guaranteed to win a championship because no team is supposed to be guaranteed that. You go out there with your guys you give it your all and you compete. Maybe you win it at all maybe you don’t.

LeBron decided he didn’t care about honor, integrity, or winning the right way. He wanted a guaranteed championship. A lot of players before him could have done the same but they didn’t because of how dirty it feels. That has to be taken into account when taking about LeBron.

And I remember the amare stuff very clearly. Cleveland didn’t go through with it because Amare wouldn’t sign an extension without a guarantee from LeBron that he was staying. They weren’t gonna give up hickson for 1 year of amare

[Shewasfly]

Was it hard for you not being able to root for the Heat or celebrating those b2b championships in those 4yrs?

I know this is hard concept for grown men who have made a life out of worshipping another grown man bc he can play a game, but I root for a TEAM. Whatever is happening, the Miami Heat are my TEAM and I root for and celebrate my TEAM'S success.

On the contrary, what will you do when LeBron retires? Surely you won't spend the rest of your life on the internet futility defending a retired man who never knew you existed and still won't?

lol dude I don't care about Lebron, but its a weird take to say you're happy Lebron left and hate him for no reason. The guy who brought two chips to your team. I'm sure Raptor fans are happy they had one year of Kawhi, he got them a chip and left. They aren't bitter like you about it.

If it helps you Bron fans butthurt, I never wanted him in the first place.

Or maybe that angers you even more. That a good portion of our fanbase never **** with him (just like they don't **** with him in LA) while you root for teams that you beg and plead and no matter what will never have a star lol.

[Shewasfly]

So a guy gets 66.7% of a FRANCHISES championships as the best player, while only playing in about 13% of their seasons, but we'll call it an "L" on THAT guys legacy???

Didn't say any of those words in my post but umm...ok. Anyways.

Glad he's gone like I said. Hopefully you stans follow him into retirement. Will be a lot better for basketball when all discourse doesn't revolve around **** on every other basketball player, especially his teammates and the greats that came before him, to prop him up.

I hope that when he retires your posts will be a bit less "butthurt-ish" sounding. That would probably also be better for basketball and maybe the forum

Because I didn't want him on my team and am happy he's gone? I never wanted James Harden on my team either. Are you going to cry about that too? lmao Like yall are so emotional over this man. Its hilarious.

I went and had a whole day and night with friends and family and yall were still in here crying because I said I don't like a basketball player who doesn't even know you are alive. What a miserable existence.

[rapstarter]

Zero. LeBron knew what he was doing when he jumped the sinking ship. He'd done the same when he left Cleveland initially for Miami.

[The4thHorseman]

I know this is hard concept for grown men who have made a life out of worshipping another grown man bc he can play a game, but I root for a TEAM. Whatever is happening, the Miami Heat are my TEAM and I root for and celebrate my TEAM'S success.

On the contrary, what will you do when LeBron retires? Surely you won't spend the rest of your life on the internet futility defending a retired man who never knew you existed and still won't?

lol dude I don't care about Lebron, but its a weird take to say you're happy Lebron left and hate him for no reason. The guy who brought two chips to your team. I'm sure Raptor fans are happy they had one year of Kawhi, he got them a chip and left. They aren't bitter like you about it.

If it helps you Bron fans butthurt, I never wanted him in the first place.

Or maybe that angers you even more. That a good portion of our fanbase never **** with him (just like they don't **** with him in LA) while you root for teams that you beg and plead and no matter what will never have a star lol.

After him being there four years, wouldn't you think Riley would've listened to the Heat fans dislike and hoped LeBron optioned out like he did? Instead, Riley challenged him to opt in by asking "if he has the guts?"

Five straight years of not being able to root for and/or celebrate another title by your team wouldn't have been cool with you.

[Shewasfly]

lol dude I don't care about Lebron, but its a weird take to say you're happy Lebron left and hate him for no reason. The guy who brought two chips to your team. I'm sure Raptor fans are happy they had one year of Kawhi, he got them a chip and left. They aren't bitter like you about it.

If it helps you Bron fans butthurt, I never wanted him in the first place.

Or maybe that angers you even more. That a good portion of our fanbase never **** with him (just like they don't **** with him in LA) while you root for teams that you beg and plead and no matter what will never have a star lol.

After him being there four years, wouldn't you think Riley would've listened to the Heat fans dislike and hoped LeBron optioned out like he did? Instead, Riley challenged him to opt in by asking "if he has the guts?"

Five straight years of not being able to root for and/or celebrate another title by your team wouldn't have been cool with you.

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.