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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#401 » by Rafael122 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 4:22 pm

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One_and_Done wrote:So many prospects would be good if they just developed a shot. Few do.

Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


His game is going to crater in a few years if he doesn't develop a consistent jumper. He's basically a 6'10 Westbrook in the sense that once the athleticism isn't there anymore, there's nothing else to rely on.
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Post#402 » by Big J » Tue Jun 6, 2023 4:36 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


His game is going to crater in a few years if he doesn't develop a consistent jumper. He's basically a 6'10 Westbrook in the sense that once the athleticism isn't there anymore, there's nothing else to rely on.


Who cares. He’s already won 2 MVPs and led his team to a title. You take that all day long from any prospect that you draft.
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Post#403 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 6, 2023 4:44 pm

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One_and_Done wrote:So many prospects would be good if they just developed a shot. Few do.

Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


This narrative includes Scoot for you, right? Right?
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Post#404 » by Big J » Tue Jun 6, 2023 4:50 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


This narrative includes Scoot for you, right? Right?


God no, diminutive guards who can’t shoot are different.
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Post#405 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 6, 2023 4:55 pm

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Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


This narrative includes Scoot for you, right? Right?


God no, diminutive guards who can’t shoot are different.


Ja shot 32% from 3 this season. Same as Scoot.
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Post#406 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:05 pm

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One_and_Done wrote:So many prospects would be good if they just developed a shot. Few do.

Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


yeah, when you're 6'11 with a 7'7" ws, built like freaking hercules and can jump like mj, you can get by.
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Post#407 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:06 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


His game is going to crater in a few years if he doesn't develop a consistent jumper. He's basically a 6'10 Westbrook in the sense that once the athleticism isn't there anymore, there's nothing else to rely on.


silly talk. it's different when you're 6'3" vs when you're 6'11" with insane length. he'll be fine when his athleticism wanes. plus he's still highly skilled.
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Post#408 » by Big J » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:09 pm

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This narrative includes Scoot for you, right? Right?


God no, diminutive guards who can’t shoot are different.


Ja shot 32% from 3 this season. Same as Scoot.


Ja is in another class of athlete than Scoot. Plus he’s taller.
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Post#409 » by K_chile22 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:10 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:
Big J wrote:
God no, diminutive guards who can’t shoot are different.


Ja shot 32% from 3 this season. Same as Scoot.


Ja is in another class of athlete than Scoot. Plus he’s taller.


If he is taller it's not by much, but Scoot has 3 inches on him in wingspan
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Post#410 » by Big J » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:12 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yup. That's the risk. Of course, the ones that do develop a shot go on to be Hall of Famers and everyone wonders how they got drafted so late. See Kawhi Leonard.


Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


yeah, when you're 6'11 with a 7'7" ws, built like freaking hercules and can jump like mj, you can get by.


Hell look at Draymond, he’s like 6’5 and not even that athletic.
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Post#411 » by nate33 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:16 pm

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Some dudes don’t even need to develop a reliable jumper to be great. Look at Giannis.


yeah, when you're 6'11 with a 7'7" ws, built like freaking hercules and can jump like mj, you can get by.


Hell look at Draymond, he’s like 6’5 and not even that athletic.

I wonder if Giannis might get better in some ways as he ages because they will stop trying to make him the primary ball handler and have him do more as a pick-and-roll finisher. They will also move him to center full time which gives a team more flexibility. Older Giannis may play more like a taller Bam Adebayo.
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Post#412 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 9:51 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Big J wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
This narrative includes Scoot for you, right? Right?


God no, diminutive guards who can’t shoot are different.


Ja shot 32% from 3 this season. Same as Scoot.

They were facing very different competition levels. And had very different roles on their team.

Lots of guys shoot crazy high % is the g league and average lots of points there. You regularly see final scores that are like 132-118.

Scoot was playing in a low pressure environment. Ja meanwhile, was playing the gauntlet known as the western conference, teams gunning for the grizzlies every night since they were a higher seeded team and after his "I'm fine in the west" comments. Plus, Ja is THE man on his team, the 1st and 2nd option who has to run the show, drive, shoot, distribute with the opposing team's gameplan based around stopping him.

Plus, Ja was obviously going through some stuff this season. Mental, drugs, alcohol, whatever it was - but he wasn't himself a lot of the time. The year before he shot 34% from 3. And his last year of college he shot 36% from 3.
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Post#413 » by JMAC3 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 2:04 pm

Hal14 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Big J wrote:
God no, diminutive guards who can’t shoot are different.


Ja shot 32% from 3 this season. Same as Scoot.

They were facing very different competition levels. And had very different roles on their team.

Lots of guys shoot crazy high % is the g league and average lots of points there. You regularly see final scores that are like 132-118.

Scoot was playing in a low pressure environment. Ja meanwhile, was playing the gauntlet known as the western conference, teams gunning for the grizzlies every night since they were a higher seeded team and after his "I'm fine in the west" comments. Plus, Ja is THE man on his team, the 1st and 2nd option who has to run the show, drive, shoot, distribute with the opposing team's gameplan based around stopping him.

Plus, Ja was obviously going through some stuff this season. Mental, drugs, alcohol, whatever it was - but he wasn't himself a lot of the time. The year before he shot 34% from 3. And his last year of college he shot 36% from 3.


Ja is maybe the best athlete in the NBA, he also has an insane bbiq. He averaged 10 apg in college, nearly unheard of and I have heard multiple NBA guys say he has a bit of Bron in him when it comes to being able to outthink his opponents in the game.

Maybe Scoot does too, but that is really hard to project. I am very confident he isn't the same level of athlete as Ja though.

Thompson Twins are basketball obsessed too, they can name pretty much every player and accomplishment in interviews. They seem really smart, confident and have a strong work ethic. I think they can at least become competent 3 pt shooters, even if never a strength. I think both are going to be defensive studs though.
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Post#414 » by Big J » Wed Jun 7, 2023 2:09 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:
Ja shot 32% from 3 this season. Same as Scoot.

They were facing very different competition levels. And had very different roles on their team.

Lots of guys shoot crazy high % is the g league and average lots of points there. You regularly see final scores that are like 132-118.

Scoot was playing in a low pressure environment. Ja meanwhile, was playing the gauntlet known as the western conference, teams gunning for the grizzlies every night since they were a higher seeded team and after his "I'm fine in the west" comments. Plus, Ja is THE man on his team, the 1st and 2nd option who has to run the show, drive, shoot, distribute with the opposing team's gameplan based around stopping him.

Plus, Ja was obviously going through some stuff this season. Mental, drugs, alcohol, whatever it was - but he wasn't himself a lot of the time. The year before he shot 34% from 3. And his last year of college he shot 36% from 3.


Ja is maybe the best athlete in the NBA, he also has an insane bbiq. He averaged 10 apg in college, nearly unheard of and I have heard multiple NBA guys say he has a bit of Bron in him when it comes to being able to outthink his opponents in the game.

Maybe Scoot does too, but that is really hard to project. I am very confident he isn't the same level of athlete as Ja though.

Thompson Twins are basketball obsessed too, they can name pretty much every player and accomplishment in interviews. They seem really smart, confident and have a strong work ethic. I think they can at least become competent 3 pt shooters, even if never a strength. I think both are going to be defensive studs though.


Agreed, these interviews have shown how smart and well spoken these twins are. Can’t really say the same about Miller or Scoot.
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Post#415 » by Shock Defeat » Thu Jun 8, 2023 12:02 am

So these guys are playing in a glorified rec league while being 2 years older than the competition, and can't even dominate.

How is that not a huge red flag?
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Post#416 » by K_chile22 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 1:34 am

Shock Defeat wrote:So these guys are playing in a glorified rec league while being 2 years older than the competition, and can't even dominate.

How is that not a huge red flag?
Their team lost one game and they only played 27 mpg because they blew other teams out every night. Saying they didn't dominate is nothing but taking a quick look at their PPG
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Post#417 » by The Moose » Thu Jun 8, 2023 2:06 pm

It's still hard for me to think both twins aren't overrated when I think about how a freshly turned 15 year old Cameron Boozer led his high school basketball team, the Christopher Columbus Explorers, to a blow out win against the YNZ Dreamerz, a game in which the Explorers led by 25+ at certain points.

In this game Cameron finished with 28 points, 20 rebounds and 5 assists.

YNG Dreamerz is the team that made the OTE finals and had 3 close games with the City Reapers.

The Dreamerz are also the team that beat the Thompsons Twins City Reapers squad during the regular season.
In that game, both twins played over 32 minutes and Amen (10/4/6) and Ausar (3/6/6) combined for 13 points, 10 rebounds and 12 assists on 5/16 shooting, just 2 weeks shy of their 20th birthdays.

It's rare enough for an NCAA team to have two top 5 picks playing simultaneously, and the City Reapers supposedly had two top 5 pick, basically sophomore aged players on 1 team, playing in a mickey mouse league
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Post#418 » by Big J » Thu Jun 8, 2023 2:13 pm

The Moose wrote:It's still hard for me to think both twins aren't overrated when I think about how a freshly turned 15 year old Cameron Boozer led his high school basketball team, the Christopher Columbus Explorers, to a blow out win against the YNZ Dreamerz, a game in which the Explorers led by 25+ at certain points.

In this game Cameron finished with 28 points, 20 rebounds and 5 assists.

YNG Dreamerz is the team that made the OTE finals and had 3 close games with the City Reapers.

The Dreamerz are also the team that beat the Thompsons Twins City Reapers squad during the regular season.
In that game, both twins played over 32 minutes and Amen (10/4/6) and Ausar (3/6/6) combined for 13 points, 10 rebounds and 12 assists on 5/16 shooting, just 2 weeks shy of their 20th birthdays.

It's rare enough for an NCAA team to have two top 5 picks playing simultaneously, and the City Reapers supposedly had two top 5 pick, basically sophomore aged players on 1 team, playing in a mickey mouse league


One of the twins main strengths is that they both have the physical tools to be absolute lock down defenders. That doesn’t show up on a stat sheet. Boozers dad also put up a ton of empty calorie stat lines in the league, but he was trash on D. Guys defense is starting to matter more and more nowadays. Look at the finals who is more important to the Nuggets right now? MPJ, or Christian Braun? Let me help you, it’s the guy who plays defense.
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Post#419 » by LofJ » Thu Jun 8, 2023 2:21 pm

If you watch game film of OTE the level of defense the league plays is pathetic. It's a glorified AAU league. The Thompson twins were regularly bricking wide open 3 pointers against that level of defense. They'll look even worse in the NBA.
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Post#420 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 2:28 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:So these guys are playing in a glorified rec league while being 2 years older than the competition, and can't even dominate.

How is that not a huge red flag?

Good grief. How are comments like these still popping up? These things have already been addressed like 5+ times in this thread already.
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