Is this franchise commited to winning a championship?

[Hal14]

LMAO a Hal classic..."but in the 1800s there were blahblahblah"

Yikes, what a cringe attempt at trolling.

Dude quotes a post talking about Lue, Nurse and Kerr, but says we're talking about the 1800's. How embarrassing for you

You got anything insightful to add to the discussion, or just trolling?

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

[Marvel]

Yikes, what a cringe attempt at trolling.

Dude quotes a post talking about Lue, Nurse and Kerr, but says we're talking about the 1800's. How embarrassing for you

You got anything insightful to add to the discussion, or just trolling?

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Joe failed as a rookie coach. Those are facts.

[Triple7]

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Joe failed as a rookie coach. Those are facts.

Kerr and Nurse were direct hire to be head coaches. They were hand picked against several candidates. Lue, took over from Blatt simply because Lebron didn’t want Blatt, and Lue had been with the league for years. Most guys, including me, don’t even know who Joe is until he was made head coach

[Green89]

Yikes, what a cringe attempt at trolling.

Dude quotes a post talking about Lue, Nurse and Kerr, but says we're talking about the 1800's. How embarrassing for you

You got anything insightful to add to the discussion, or just trolling?

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

[Hal14]

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

A different hire like who? Who did you expect to get, on such short notice, the day before training camp started? Brad did the best he could, given the sh*tty situation that Ime put us in. He hired a coach who had been with the organization the longest, who had HC experience and was a finalist for the Jazz HC job that summer.

Also, why does it bother you so much what I think?

I don't think a different HC would have prevented Gabe Vincent from tripping Tatum, causing him to sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7. We had better shot quality than Miami did that series - and we had better shooters than them in the reg season - we just got unlucky that they had a bunch of guys who shot the ball better than they ever did in their entire life, while we had some really good shooters who shot much worse than their ability level.

We got really far. We came really close - but when you get that far in the playoffs, there's not much separating each team - all it takes is a shot here or there, an injury here or a bounce there - such a small difference between winning or losing a series, especially one that goes 7 games - luck ends up playing into it..

[Hal14]

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Joe failed as a rookie coach. Those are facts.

Kerr and Nurse were direct hire to be head coaches. They were hand picked against several candidates. Lue, took over from Blatt simply because Lebron didn’t want Blatt, and Lue had been with the league for years. Most guys, including me, don’t even know who Joe is until he was made head coach

That's not something to brag about lol.

Most "guys" didn't know who Popovich was before he was hired. Most "guys" didn't know who Mark Daigneault, Will Hardy, Jamahl Mosley (Mosley, Daigneault and Hardy have done a great job so far and all have very bright futures in this league as coaches). Most "guys" didn't know who Spo was before he was hired, or Budenholzer, or Vogel or Nurse, etc.

Most "guys" had never heard of the guy the Raptors just hired to be their head coach. They hired that guy instead of a big name like Doc Rivers.

Meanwhile, big names like Billups, Kidd, Steve nash and Isiah Thomas haven't seen much success as a head coach. Monty Williams (a big name) just got fired.

Hmm, I guess sometimes the lesser known guys could actually be better coaches than the big names. Who'da thunk it?

[Hal14]

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Joe failed as a rookie coach. Those are facts.

That's literally an opinion - not a fact.

Agree to disagree.

[Marvel]

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Joe failed as a rookie coach. Those are facts.

That's literally an opinion - not a fact.

Agree to disagree.

Agree to falsehood? Nah i'm good.

[Marvel]

You're arguing we were better with Joe than a more experienced coach and how another rookie coaches won titles. That alone should warrant all types of comebacks. It simply is preposterous to think that hiring Joe when your franchise was on the cusp if a title, is a good move.

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

I just realised i have stepped into the very arena i was trying to avoid lmao. Arguing with this guy about Joe is pointless.

"never argue with stupid people, because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" - Mark Twain

[Triple7]

Joe failed as a rookie coach. Those are facts.

Kerr and Nurse were direct hire to be head coaches. They were hand picked against several candidates. Lue, took over from Blatt simply because Lebron didn’t want Blatt, and Lue had been with the league for years. Most guys, including me, don’t even know who Joe is until he was made head coach

That's not something to brag about lol.

Most "guys" didn't know who Popovich was before he was hired. Most "guys" didn't know who Mark Daigneault, Will Hardy, Jamahl Mosley (Mosley, Daigneault and Hardy have done a great job so far and all have very bright futures in this league as coaches). Most "guys" didn't know who Spo was before he was hired, or Budenholzer, or Vogel or Nurse, etc.

Most "guys" had never heard of the guy the Raptors just hired to be their head coach. They hired that guy instead of a big name like Doc Rivers.

Meanwhile, big names like Billups, Kidd, Steve nash and Isiah Thomas haven't seen much success as a head coach. Monty Williams (a big name) just got fired.

Hmm, I guess sometimes the lesser known guys could actually be better coaches than the big names. Who'da thunk it?

Most of the guys you said were direct hires. Joe wasn’t.
Just like when we hired Udoka. A first time head coach. It was carefully done and he was selected among several candidates. Joe got the gig on an anomaly. Don’t have the problem with what had happened given the situation. The problem i had was when Stevens gave him a contract prematurely whenhe shouldn’t have to. Plus, wtf is with you and Joe??
Do you know him personally????
I mean, you are probably the only poster here defending him fiercely! Smh lol.

Plus, new guys could actually be better, you are right there i agree, but that’s just not the case with Joe. I mean, he could be good one day, or even next season, but he really **** up the first 3 games of the conf finals, with his stubborness.

[Bar Fight]

Kerr and Nurse were direct hire to be head coaches. They were hand picked against several candidates. Lue, took over from Blatt simply because Lebron didn’t want Blatt, and Lue had been with the league for years. Most guys, including me, don’t even know who Joe is until he was made head coach

That's not something to brag about lol.

Most "guys" didn't know who Popovich was before he was hired. Most "guys" didn't know who Mark Daigneault, Will Hardy, Jamahl Mosley (Mosley, Daigneault and Hardy have done a great job so far and all have very bright futures in this league as coaches). Most "guys" didn't know who Spo was before he was hired, or Budenholzer, or Vogel or Nurse, etc.

Most "guys" had never heard of the guy the Raptors just hired to be their head coach. They hired that guy instead of a big name like Doc Rivers.

Meanwhile, big names like Billups, Kidd, Steve nash and Isiah Thomas haven't seen much success as a head coach. Monty Williams (a big name) just got fired.

Hmm, I guess sometimes the lesser known guys could actually be better coaches than the big names. Who'da thunk it?

Most of the guys you said were direct hires. Joe wasn’t.
Just like when we hired Udoka. A first time head coach. It was carefully done and he was selected among several candidates. Joe got the gig on an anomaly. Don’t have the problem with what had happened given the situation. The problem i had was when Stevens gave him a contract prematurely whenhe shouldn’t have to. Plus, wtf is with you and Joe??
Do you know him personally????
I mean, you are probably the only poster here defending him fiercely! Smh lol.

Plus, new guys could actually be better, you are right there i agree, but that’s just not the case with Joe. I mean, he could be good one day, or even next season, but he really **** up the first 3 games of the conf finals, with his stubborness.

Maybe he's on edge because we just hired Joe's replacement

[Triple7]

That's not something to brag about lol.

Most "guys" didn't know who Popovich was before he was hired. Most "guys" didn't know who Mark Daigneault, Will Hardy, Jamahl Mosley (Mosley, Daigneault and Hardy have done a great job so far and all have very bright futures in this league as coaches). Most "guys" didn't know who Spo was before he was hired, or Budenholzer, or Vogel or Nurse, etc.

Most "guys" had never heard of the guy the Raptors just hired to be their head coach. They hired that guy instead of a big name like Doc Rivers.

Meanwhile, big names like Billups, Kidd, Steve nash and Isiah Thomas haven't seen much success as a head coach. Monty Williams (a big name) just got fired.

Hmm, I guess sometimes the lesser known guys could actually be better coaches than the big names. Who'da thunk it?

Most of the guys you said were direct hires. Joe wasn’t.
Just like when we hired Udoka. A first time head coach. It was carefully done and he was selected among several candidates. Joe got the gig on an anomaly. Don’t have the problem with what had happened given the situation. The problem i had was when Stevens gave him a contract prematurely whenhe shouldn’t have to. Plus, wtf is with you and Joe??
Do you know him personally????
I mean, you are probably the only poster here defending him fiercely! Smh lol.

Plus, new guys could actually be better, you are right there i agree, but that’s just not the case with Joe. I mean, he could be good one day, or even next season, but he really **** up the first 3 games of the conf finals, with his stubborness.

Maybe he's on edge because we just hired Joe's replacement

Hahaha. He’s making it too obvious lol.

[Green89]

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

A different hire like who? Who did you expect to get, on such short notice, the day before training camp started? Brad did the best he could, given the sh*tty situation that Ime put us in. He hired a coach who had been with the organization the longest, who had HC experience and was a finalist for the Jazz HC job that summer.

Also, why does it bother you so much what I think?

I don't think a different HC would have prevented Gabe Vincent from tripping Tatum, causing him to sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7. We had better shot quality than Miami did that series - and we had better shooters than them in the reg season - we just got unlucky that they had a bunch of guys who shot the ball better than they ever did in their entire life, while we had some really good shooters who shot much worse than their ability level.

We got really far. We came really close - but when you get that far in the playoffs, there's not much separating each team - all it takes is a shot here or there, an injury here or a bounce there - such a small difference between winning or losing a series, especially one that goes 7 games - luck ends up playing into it..

No, coaching matters. Miami would have been swept without Spo. We should have easily beat Miami with a better coach. We wouldn't have been in game 7 if we had someone other than Joe.

[JaMarco]

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

A different hire like who? Who did you expect to get, on such short notice, the day before training camp started? Brad did the best he could, given the sh*tty situation that Ime put us in. He hired a coach who had been with the organization the longest, who had HC experience and was a finalist for the Jazz HC job that summer.

Also, why does it bother you so much what I think?

I don't think a different HC would have prevented Gabe Vincent from tripping Tatum, causing him to sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7. We had better shot quality than Miami did that series - and we had better shooters than them in the reg season - we just got unlucky that they had a bunch of guys who shot the ball better than they ever did in their entire life, while we had some really good shooters who shot much worse than their ability level.

We got really far. We came really close - but when you get that far in the playoffs, there's not much separating each team - all it takes is a shot here or there, an injury here or a bounce there - such a small difference between winning or losing a series, especially one that goes 7 games - luck ends up playing into it..

No, coaching matters. Miami would have been swept without Spo. We should have easily beat Miami with a better coach. We wouldn't have been in game 7 if we had someone other than Joe.

Unless this other coach was going to make Miami not shoot sky-high % from 3, Boston was never going to win that series no matter who was coaching.

[Hal14]

I never said the bold part.

And lots of rookie coaches have won titles - those are facts, so it's not preposterous.

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

I just realised i have stepped into the very arena i was trying to avoid lmao. Arguing with this guy about Joe is pointless.

"never argue with stupid people, because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" - Mark Twain

You provided nothing of value to the discussion and then call me stupid

[Hal14]

Then stop defending the move and admit it was thee wrong one.

We lost a title chance because of it. Stop fooling yourself if you think a different hire wouldn't have had us in the Finals right now.

A different hire like who? Who did you expect to get, on such short notice, the day before training camp started? Brad did the best he could, given the sh*tty situation that Ime put us in. He hired a coach who had been with the organization the longest, who had HC experience and was a finalist for the Jazz HC job that summer.

Also, why does it bother you so much what I think?

I don't think a different HC would have prevented Gabe Vincent from tripping Tatum, causing him to sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7. We had better shot quality than Miami did that series - and we had better shooters than them in the reg season - we just got unlucky that they had a bunch of guys who shot the ball better than they ever did in their entire life, while we had some really good shooters who shot much worse than their ability level.

We got really far. We came really close - but when you get that far in the playoffs, there's not much separating each team - all it takes is a shot here or there, an injury here or a bounce there - such a small difference between winning or losing a series, especially one that goes 7 games - luck ends up playing into it..

No, coaching matters. Miami would have been swept without Spo. We should have easily beat Miami with a better coach. We wouldn't have been in game 7 if we had someone other than Joe.

Sure, coaching matters. I never said otherwise.

Also, the 2 statements you made in bold are highly debatable. You didn't provide anything of substance to back up those viewpoints, so I'm not really buying it.

You also didn't answer my question when I asked what other coach could we have hired a day before training camp started who would have done a better job than Mazzulla..

[threrf23]

You also didn't answer my question when I asked what other coach could we have hired a day before training camp started who would have done a better job than Mazzulla..

Can't speak for him but fwiw, against the Heat I found myself thinking a random 5 year old kid would have given us a better chance to win, simply because he would have deferred to others, made some common sense moves that Joe was not willing to make, and mostly because it would have put the players in a position to take matters into their own hands without disrespecting their coach, whose actions often communicated a preference for a lack of preparation, adjustment, and effort.

[Hal14]

You also didn't answer my question when I asked what other coach could we have hired a day before training camp started who would have done a better job than Mazzulla..

Can't speak for him but fwiw, against the Heat I found myself thinking a random 5 year old kid would have given us a better chance to win, simply because he would have deferred to others, made some common sense moves that Joe was not willing to make, and mostly because it would have put the players in a position to take matters into their own hands without disrespecting their coach, whose actions often communicated a preference for a lack of preparation, adjustment, and effort.

That all sounds really vague.

We lost the series because a bunch of dudes on Miami who shot like 30% from 3 during the season shot like 50%. And a bunch of dudes on our team who shot 40% from 3 in the reg season shot like 20%. Plus injuries (Tatum ankle, rob puking in game 7, JB wrist, Grant hand, Brogdon elbow, etc.)

We actually generated more open 3's than Miami that series (we just missed more open 3's, while miami somehow made contested 3's) and we had more points in the paint than miami.

[playa-hater]

Is this franchise commited to winning a championship?

NO!

Next question

[Fencer reregistered]

A different hire like who? Who did you expect to get, on such short notice, the day before training camp started? Brad did the best he could, given the sh*tty situation that Ime put us in. He hired a coach who had been with the organization the longest, who had HC experience and was a finalist for the Jazz HC job that summer.

Also, why does it bother you so much what I think?

I don't think a different HC would have prevented Gabe Vincent from tripping Tatum, causing him to sprain his ankle on the first play of game 7. We had better shot quality than Miami did that series - and we had better shooters than them in the reg season - we just got unlucky that they had a bunch of guys who shot the ball better than they ever did in their entire life, while we had some really good shooters who shot much worse than their ability level.

We got really far. We came really close - but when you get that far in the playoffs, there's not much separating each team - all it takes is a shot here or there, an injury here or a bounce there - such a small difference between winning or losing a series, especially one that goes 7 games - luck ends up playing into it..

No, coaching matters. Miami would have been swept without Spo. We should have easily beat Miami with a better coach. We wouldn't have been in game 7 if we had someone other than Joe.

Unless this other coach was going to make Miami not shoot sky-high % from 3, Boston was never going to win that series no matter who was coaching.

Or execute better offense in crunch time and/or against the zone.

At least 1 of those -- preferably 2 or 3 -- was needed from the coaching staff.