Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[greg4012]

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A trade for Beal/Porzingis would basically require all of Miami's decent sized tradeable contracts (outside of Caleb/Jovic)

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Riley wants an all star this summer, he’s not going to be satisfied with anything less tbh. Let the godfather cook!

I honestly think that trade for Beal/KP is a good deal for Washington all things considered. You’re clearing out tons of money with the Lowry and Dipo expirings, getting a young guy in Herro to replace Beal and Duncan’s deal can be traded when expring for an asset. Hell, they might be able to flip Lowry and/or Dipos expirings this year for assets to eat some bad contracts

[Bishop45]

Whomever we get (or dont get...) is going to max out their talent here. We really do see the best versions of players here.

Rather try for Randle than Porz. Half the cost, more skilled and competitive

[dean456]

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A trade for Beal/Porzingis would basically require all of Miami's decent sized tradeable contracts (outside of Caleb/Jovic)

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

This may be true in normal circumstances but Porzingis being a FA and able to leave now and Beal having a no trade clause and being able to dictate where he goes and approve/decline any package proposed then Washington really have no say in where they shop the two players. They can't get counter offers from other teams because both players can decline to go to those teams. Beal and Porzingis are in complete control of their destination.

Washington can always not trade Porzingis and let him walk for nothing and hold Beal hostage and not trade him, but that is not a smart move when Beal is owed 207mil over the next 4yrs and getting a FRP for Porzingis is better than nothing.

[ShulaDon92]

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Good point. Porzingis struggled when in the role of shot maker w/ Doncic. We need a guy that will hit shots. A taller robert horry that can also disrupt taller players

-SHULA

[IceColdCubano]

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

[MettaWorldPanda]

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Wouldn't Porzingis extension just be filling the salary going out of Lowry and Oladipio?

[AirP.]

For those who want 2 players in a trade... Portland would want to move Nurkic also in a Lillard trade which sadly would help Miami's front line.

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Spo would never in his life play Bam and Nurkic together and we wouldn't want all that money as a backup Center either.

Maybe, that's one of the reasons I think this would have to be a 3+ team trade. I'm sure there are teams that would want Nurkic as a starting center, maybe you exchange him for THJ or for some smaller contract players since Miami needs to get to 14 players.

This is such an interesting offseason that could go in tons of different ways.

[ShulaDon92]

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

Then your clogging jimmys game. Not gonna work

-SHULA

[RexBoyWonder]

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This is great news.


So it's Lilad + J.Grant

Or

Beal + Porzingis


Both pairs fit Jimmy and Bam, both we can match salaries to get, both pairs should be on the move.

Glad it's settled.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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This is great news.


So it's Lilad + J.Grant

Or

Beal + Porzingis


Both pairs fit Jimmy and Bam, both we can match salaries to get, both pairs should be on the move.

Glad it's settled.

We are not getting Jeremy Grant. We are not getting hard capped for Jeremy Grant.

[ShulaDon92]

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This is great news.


So it's Lilad + J.Grant

Or

Beal + Porzingis


Both pairs fit Jimmy and Bam, both we can match salaries to get, both pairs should be on the move.

Glad it's settled.

Sure, case closed, Colombo. Go take your cigarette break and call it a day.

-SHULA

[AirP.]

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

Then your clogging jimmys game. Not gonna work

-SHULA

Jimmy's game doesn't start until the 7 minute mark of the 4th quarter. He seems to like it that way.

[greg4012]

Porzingis is a free agent so if he opted out there are little options for Washington so he'd basically be saying trade me to X team for what they will offer otherwise I'm opting out and playing elsewhere. Washington would essentially have to take what they can get at that point but Miami would have to give up something because we wouldn't be able to get him without trading with Washington.

So this will likely cost us our 2023 pick.

But if you can come away from the offseason with Porzingis for Lowry, Martin and #18 that's pretty damn good.

Gabe
Herro
Butler
KP
Bam

Would be a solid starting 5.

Swap out Martin for Duncan. We don't have to give up Martin in this deal. I'd rather compensate them with an extra pick if needed and bring back a PG either Wright or Morris.

Damn I forgot they had Wright too. Yea if this happened we definitely need to come out of it with one of these PGs

Wright is lowkey a perfect Heat player. He had the best advanced impact metrics on the Washington team and was a similarly impactful bench player for ATL before that. He is a fantastic and versatile guard defender. He was top 4 in the NBA in deflections per game, was among the league lead in steal percentage and he led all guards in offensive rebound percentage. Put this dude around other good defenders and in the Heat's schemes and he will be a major impact rotation player.

https://wizofawes.com/2023/03/08/washington-wizards-brilliance-delon-wright/

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Toronto is one team that could push the reset and would probably welcome both Simons and Scoot to take the place of Trent and Van Vleet. They have also dealt with Portland in the past.

[ShulaDon92]

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

Then your clogging jimmys game. Not gonna work

-SHULA

Jimmy's game doesn't start until the 7 minute mark of the 4th quarter. He seems to like it that way.

He's our closer. Whether hes on or not, he's closing.

-SHULA

[IceColdCubano]

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

Then your clogging jimmys game. Not gonna work

-SHULA

It worked with Bam and Jimmy cloggin each other up, why wouldnt it work with Porzingis and Jimmy. Your literally replacing Bams game for Porzingis. You make Bam strickly a DHO, and rim running, high post driving center. Porzingis post ups will open up both their games on cuts, lobs, rim runs. So many things triggers that can work, we will be really hard to gameplan for.

[AirP.]

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A trade for Beal/Porzingis would basically require all of Miami's decent sized tradeable contracts (outside of Caleb/Jovic)

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

This may be true in normal circumstances but Porzingis being a FA and able to leave now and Beal having a no trade clause and being able to dictate where he goes and approve/decline any package proposed then Washington really have no say in where they shop the two players. They can't get counter offers from other teams because both players can decline to go to those teams. Beal and Porzingis are in complete control of their destination.

Washington can always not trade Porzingis and let him walk for nothing and hold Beal hostage and not trade him, but that is not a smart move when Beal is owed 207mil over the next 4yrs and getting a FRP for Porzingis is better than nothing.

They can keep Porzingis and S&T him next year if they don't up their offer to extend him. It's such a gamble for an injury prone player to move forward without a multiyear contract. The small issue is that they already paid Gafford midlevel type money to play center and would love to see him coming off the bench in Miami. If Bam continues to work on his 3 maybe pair them up.

[greg4012]

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

I'm skeptical of how the spacing of that actually works on the court. Especially in playoff basketball. If Porzingis isn't spacing the floor, Bam absolutely will not be either. Jimmy f**ked

[ShulaDon92]

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

Then your clogging jimmys game. Not gonna work

-SHULA

It worked with Bam and Jimmy cloggin each other up, why wouldnt it work with Porzingis and Jimmy. Your literally replacing Bams game for Porzingis. You make Bam strickly a DHO, and rim running, high post driving center. Porzingis post ups will open up both their games on cuts, lobs, rim runs. So many things triggers that can work, we will be really hard to gameplan for.

Well I'm not an xs and os guy but theoretically if bam and jimmy are working there with shooters creating space , a third guy is just gonna muck it up even more. If bam shot threes things would be different

-SHULA