Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[phiphan]

If we run it back, I need Morey to go out & get a lob catcher that can take the Tobi/PJ minutes. A vertical threat would do a lot to unlock some additional value from Harden & Maxey.

We’ll probably just need that to be Jalen McDaniels because it’s tough to find otherwise. I love BBall Paul but he’s treading water at best on offense because he can’t catch a lob.

Yep. The Harden/Capela combo nearly took out peak Warriors. It can’t be understated how little positional instinct Embiid has around the rim.

[Arsenal]

Hell yes, I would welcome John Collins onto this team with open arms. I’d be calling Atlanta to see if they’d have any interest in a Collins/Capela for Tobi/Melton deal.

Collins/Bogdanovich for Harris/Melton is more realistic and a better fit for us anyway.

PG Harden | Springer
SG Maxey | Bogs
SF Tucker | McDaniels
PF Collins | Niang
CE Embiid | Reed

[FireMorey]

Spike on his latest RTRS episode said a source who he trusts a lot told him a story about Harden that makes him feel that under no circumstance can he be back next season. He said he can't go into detail live on the episode but he said all he'll say is the players on the team knew before game 7 started that Harden was going to do a disappearing act in that game.

The only hint he gave was he said Harden either didn't care, didn't have it in game 7, or wanted to lose. And Mike said I don't think you can say Harden wanted to lose. And Spike replied "if he didn't want to play for Doc Rivers anymore, but that's all I'm going to say."

Anyway, take it FWIW. I think the implication was Spike was told from his source Harden was fed up with Doc Rivers and basically dogged game 7 to send a message.

[rocketsfan100]

Spike on his latest RTRS episode said a source who he trusts a lot told him a story about Harden that makes him feel that under no circumstance can he be back next season. He said he can't go into detail live on the episode but he said all he'll say is the players on the team knew before game 7 started that Harden was going to do a disappearing act in that game.

The only hint he gave was he said Harden either didn't care, didn't have it in game 7, or wanted to lose. And Mike said I don't think you can say Harden wanted to lose. And Spike replied "if he didn't want to play for Doc Rivers anymore, but that's all I'm going to say."

Anyway, take it FWIW. I think the implication was Spike was told from his source Harden was fed up with Doc Rivers and basically dogged game 7 to send a message.

This is nonsense. He didn’t want to play in game 6? I love harden but he has had a history of panicking when things go south in games in elimination games. No idea who spike is but seriously

[phiphan]

Strikes me as a Harden-generated excuse for why Harden **** the bed in game 7.

[phiphan]

Harden: 4 years $200mm please
Sixers: You sucked in game 7
Harden: yeah I meant to do that haha

[mjkvol]

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I just hope like hell this is accurate. Major dodging of a bullet (pun intended).

[the_process]

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I just hope like hell this is accurate. Major dodging of a bullet (pun intended).

I interpret this to mean they expect Harden back.

[SixthStreet]

To me Maxey isn't untouchable but I would need a proper sized young wing with 3 & some D & some playmaking. I highly doubt a trade like that is out there.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Harden walks for nothing we are in much worse shape.

[the_process]

Hell yes, I would welcome John Collins onto this team with open arms. I’d be calling Atlanta to see if they’d have any interest in a Collins/Capela for Tobi/Melton deal.

Collins/Bogdanovich for Harris/Melton is more realistic and a better fit for us anyway.

PG Harden | Springer
SG Maxey | Bogs
SF Tucker | McDaniels
PF Collins | Niang
CE Embiid | Reed

ATL gets Harris and 10
DAL gets Capela and 15
PHI gets Bertans and Collins

[the_process]

To me Maxey isn't untouchable but I would need a proper sized young wing with 3 & some D & some playmaking. I highly doubt a trade like that is out there.

OG Anunoby is a wing that is available that I would discuss Maxey for.

[76ciology]

Spike on his latest RTRS episode said a source who he trusts a lot told him a story about Harden that makes him feel that under no circumstance can he be back next season. He said he can't go into detail live on the episode but he said all he'll say is the players on the team knew before game 7 started that Harden was going to do a disappearing act in that game.

The only hint he gave was he said Harden either didn't care, didn't have it in game 7, or wanted to lose. And Mike said I don't think you can say Harden wanted to lose. And Spike replied "if he didn't want to play for Doc Rivers anymore, but that's all I'm going to say."

Anyway, take it FWIW. I think the implication was Spike was told from his source Harden was fed up with Doc Rivers and basically dogged game 7 to send a message.

Im buying it. But how about Embiid? Whats the reason why he played poorly?

[Mik317]

If Harden walks for nothing we are in much worse shape.

probably

don't care tho lol.

[Iverson Armband]

If Harden walks for nothing we are in much worse shape.

probably

don't care tho lol.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Harden walks for nothing we are in much worse shape.

probably

don't care tho lol.

Mik you are gonna be the first one to go all emo on us when he has a sliver of success elsewhere

[Eyeamok]

Good to hear about Beal. Hope that's true. I'm getting depressed over here thinking about our only options as Beal, Derozan, CP3, etc. Just more mediocrity.

I need Morey to show me some creativity this offseason. Flip Harris' contract for a couple young, long, super athlete freaks to add some wing depth and lunacy on the defensive end and I'm OK with bringing back Harden and running like that.

Kinda agree. I think if we had Gordon as our PF, we would win the chip. Gordon defended Lebron/Jimmy Butler extremely well and only costs about 19 mil. Such a steal for Denver..

We don’t need another star. We need an athletic PF who can defend, be a lob threat, rebound and knock down shots when open. That’s a lot of ask tho and not sure if this kind of player is available.

We have that guy. He's a RFA right now, and we better not let him go.

If you let that RFA play meaningful minutes from the start of the season, come playoffs you will have that guy that can defend, is a lob threat, rebounds and knock down shots when open. Chit he already does 2 of the 4 well and when he was in the G-league he was an ok shooter. Let the guy play. Give him Tuckers spot and have tucker coming off the bench.

[Eyeamok]

If we run it back, I need Morey to go out & get a lob catcher that can take the Tobi/PJ minutes. A vertical threat would do a lot to unlock some additional value from Harden & Maxey.

We’ll probably just need that to be Jalen McDaniels because it’s tough to find otherwise. I love BBall Paul but he’s treading water at best on offense because he can’t catch a lob.

I just got in contact with Bball Paul.....he read your post. He said challenge accepted.

[76ciology]

Last offseason, I also think Nuggets and Heat were mediocre teams.

My point is, you dont need to form a superteam (2-3 superstars) in order to get to the finals. Seems to me the league has also structured the cap to discourage teams for that.

But I dont see Beal and Collins getting us there.

Beal’s numbers say he is not even star caliber guard aside from empty points per game stat with low FTr and 3PTr. He’s not a good fit with our team. The addition of Beal reminds me of that season when D12’s Magic added Gilbert Arenas as a desperation move which was the nail on their coffin.

Collins is a negative on both ends of the court in this year’s playoffs and a negative on offense in reg season. Hawks should give us this year’s pick and a protected first if we have to give up Tobi for him. With the way Collins’ is shooting, I’d rather take my chances on Paul Reed-Biid duo.

*PS im the first one here to introduce the Collins-Tobi trade idea 1-2 years ago but im rescinding it now

[Mik317]

If Harden walks for nothing we are in much worse shape.

probably

don't care tho lol.

Mik you are gonna be the first one to go all emo on us when he has a sliver of success elsewhere

i mean yeah lol.

only way they can win is...well if they win lol.

But no seriously...I have nothing against Harden. We will miss him if he walks. Very helpful player. I just don't think he's going to change his game and I cannot go a whole nother season of the same playstyle. So selfishly and probably stupidly I need him gone. So even if he turns back the clock at his next stop....I know it wouldn't have happened here AND I can just tell myself it won't work when it matters anyway and by the time we really find out if it can or not, I'll be too busy hating whatever tragedy we'd have going on at that point to care lol.

I will never claim or act like I am a basketball savant but what I do know is the only chance we have at winning is a whole new approach and Harden isn't the guy to bring that IMO and its not fair to him to ask him to do so at this stage of his career..he's not going to be an off ball guy or a spot up shooter like late career JKidd for example. He's been playing this way for too long.

but honestly at this point I don't think there is any move that will have me on board totally at this stage...they hurt me too much last offseason ha