Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[machu46]

Alright, I've come up with a pretty good Beal trade. I'm going to break it into components because each component is optional:

Part 1:
Beal to Miami for Herro, Robinson, #18, Jovic, 2028 swap and MIA 2029 1st (unprotected or perhaps top 4 protected)

Miami gives up those future 1sts because, not only are they acquiring Beal, but they are dumping Robinson and actually saving a little money in the transaction, which allows them to keep one or perhaps both of Vincent/Struss.

Part 2:
We flip Herro plus our #8 to Orlando for their #6. Orlando could really use Herro and have enough defense around him to make it work. I'm happy to offload his salary so I can use it in other ways. This gets us a $28M TPE

Part 3:
Trade Robinson plus most of that TPE to Brooklyn for Simmons, and Finney-Smith. Brooklyn would be happy to unload Simmons.

Part 4:
Finney-Smith + Gafford + Wright to Dallas for their #10 + Hardaway Jr. + Bertans. This gets Dallas two key defensive role players on good contracts - exactly what they need to place around Luka and Kyrie.

The sum total of this trade is:
Beal + #8 + Gafford + Wright

for

#6, #10, #18, MIA 2028 swap, MIA 2029 1st, Simmons, Hardaway Jr, Bertans (who we cut)

The returning players on our roster are: Morris, Kispert, Deni, Porzingis, Goodwin, Davis

Unless it's changed with the new CBA, I'm pretty sure this part does not work. You can't combine a trade exception with other player salaries to bring in a larger salary so Simmons is too expensive. DFS would obviously fit into the TPE though but Brooklyn probably wouldn't just give him away.

[Rafael122]

Alright, I've come up with a pretty good Beal trade. I'm going to break it into components because each component is optional:

Part 1:
Beal to Miami for Herro, Robinson, #18, Jovic, 2028 swap and MIA 2029 1st (unprotected or perhaps top 4 protected)

Miami gives up those future 1sts because, not only are they acquiring Beal, but they are dumping Robinson and actually saving a little money in the transaction, which allows them to keep one or perhaps both of Vincent/Struss.

Part 2:
We flip Herro plus our #8 to Orlando for their #6. Orlando could really use Herro and have enough defense around him to make it work. I'm happy to offload his salary so I can use it in other ways. This gets us a $28M TPE

Part 3:
Trade Robinson plus most of that TPE to Brooklyn for Simmons, and Finney-Smith. Brooklyn would be happy to unload Simmons.

Part 4:
Finney-Smith + Gafford + Wright to Dallas for their #10 + Hardaway Jr. + Bertans. This gets Dallas two key defensive role players on good contracts - exactly what they need to place around Luka and Kyrie.

The sum total of this trade is:
Beal + #8 + Gafford + Wright

for

#6, #10, #18, MIA 2028 swap, MIA 2029 1st, Simmons, Hardaway Jr, Bertans (who we cut)

The returning players on our roster are: Morris, Kispert, Deni, Porzingis, Goodwin, Davis

I'm good with everything through Part 2.

[nate33]

Alright, I've come up with a pretty good Beal trade. I'm going to break it into components because each component is optional:

Part 1:
Beal to Miami for Herro, Robinson, #18, Jovic, 2028 swap and MIA 2029 1st (unprotected or perhaps top 4 protected)

Miami gives up those future 1sts because, not only are they acquiring Beal, but they are dumping Robinson and actually saving a little money in the transaction, which allows them to keep one or perhaps both of Vincent/Struss.

Part 2:
We flip Herro plus our #8 to Orlando for their #6. Orlando could really use Herro and have enough defense around him to make it work. I'm happy to offload his salary so I can use it in other ways. This gets us a $28M TPE

Part 3:
Trade Robinson plus most of that TPE to Brooklyn for Simmons, and Finney-Smith. Brooklyn would be happy to unload Simmons.

Part 4:
Finney-Smith + Gafford + Wright to Dallas for their #10 + Hardaway Jr. + Bertans. This gets Dallas two key defensive role players on good contracts - exactly what they need to place around Luka and Kyrie.

The sum total of this trade is:
Beal + #8 + Gafford + Wright

for

#6, #10, #18, MIA 2028 swap, MIA 2029 1st, Simmons, Hardaway Jr, Bertans (who we cut)

The returning players on our roster are: Morris, Kispert, Deni, Porzingis, Goodwin, Davis

Unless it's changed with the new CBA, I'm pretty sure this part does not work. You can't combine a trade exception with other player salaries to bring in a larger salary so Simmons is too expensive. DFS would obviously fit into the TPE though but Brooklyn probably wouldn't just give him away.

Technically, it would all be in one big trade, which would make it work.

[JAR69]

Alright, I've come up with a pretty good Beal trade. I'm going to break it into components because each component is optional:

Part 1:
Beal to Miami for Herro, Robinson, #18, Jovic, 2028 swap and MIA 2029 1st (unprotected or perhaps top 4 protected)

Miami gives up those future 1sts because, not only are they acquiring Beal, but they are dumping Robinson and actually saving a little money in the transaction, which allows them to keep one or perhaps both of Vincent/Struss.

Part 2:
We flip Herro plus our #8 to Orlando for their #6. Orlando could really use Herro and have enough defense around him to make it work. I'm happy to offload his salary so I can use it in other ways. This gets us a $28M TPE

Part 3:
Trade Robinson plus most of that TPE to Brooklyn for Simmons, and Finney-Smith. Brooklyn would be happy to unload Simmons.

Part 4:
Finney-Smith + Gafford + Wright to Dallas for their #10 + Hardaway Jr. + Bertans. This gets Dallas two key defensive role players on good contracts - exactly what they need to place around Luka and Kyrie.

The sum total of this trade is:
Beal + #8 + Gafford + Wright

for

#6, #10, #18, MIA 2028 swap, MIA 2029 1st, Simmons, Hardaway Jr, Bertans (who we cut)

The returning players on our roster are: Morris, Kispert, Deni, Porzingis, Goodwin, Davis

Unless it's changed with the new CBA, I'm pretty sure this part does not work. You can't combine a trade exception with other player salaries to bring in a larger salary so Simmons is too expensive. DFS would obviously fit into the TPE though but Brooklyn probably wouldn't just give him away.

Technically, it would all be in one big trade, which would make it work.

What salary are you using for Herro? I assume this is a pre-draft trade since we are getting all those 2023 picks, and thus in the 2022-23 league season. BR and Spotrac have Herro's 2022-23 salary at $5.72 million, and $27 million in 2023-24. Is this a deal to be completed after July 1? Or am I misunderstanding something?

[tleikheen]

We flip Herro plus our #8 to Orlando for their #6. Orlando could really use Herro and have enough defense around him to make it work. I'm happy to offload his salary so I can use it in other ways. This gets us a $28M TPE

Orlando is looking to extend Marshelle Fultz and doubt taking on another PG is what they want .....Herro fits Wiz rebuild at 23 and with more freedom will up his production after already avg 20 ppg 2 yrs in a row.

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[NatP4]

It Murray+Mitchell+24+Huerter+Holmes too much?

[Rafael122]

It Murray+Mitchell+24+Huerter+Holmes too much?

Yes, highly doubtful the Kings trade Murray.

My guess is the framework of a deal would be Huerter/Holmes/Mitchell/24th pick/Future 1st. I'd try and squeeze another pick out of it.

[NatP4]

It Murray+Mitchell+24+Huerter+Holmes too much?

Yes, highly doubtful the Kings trade Murray.

My guess is the framework of a deal would be Huerter/Holmes/Mitchell/24th pick/Future 1st. I'd try and squeeze another pick out of it.

That’s pretty meh to me. Mitchell is really just a journeyman rotation hustle guard.

18th overall+Jovic+Herro is much more intriguing.

Would even prefer a NY deal with Quickley coming back. Assuming they also throw a 1st in.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

It Murray+Mitchell+24+Huerter+Holmes too much?

Yes, highly doubtful the Kings trade Murray.

My guess is the framework of a deal would be Huerter/Holmes/Mitchell/24th pick/Future 1st. I'd try and squeeze another pick out of it.

That’s pretty meh to me. Mitchell is really just a journeyman rotation hustle guard.

18th overall+Jovic+Herro is much more intriguing.

Would even prefer a NY deal with Quickley coming back. Assuming they also throw a 1st in.

Yeah given the choice, I go for the MIA deal unless King throw in another pick. Herro, whatever you think about him, is a youngish prospect, Jovic another one and that would fit our timeline, and a pick would be fine too me. Not great, but better than what we were looking at even say a month ago IMO. I fully expect this FO to get the most value they can for him. That may mean waiting until the deadline, though of course it would be great to just start next season free of Beal hovering over the team.

[payitforward]

There's always a tendency to think we can skip a bunch of steps & become an outstanding team in a hurry. That's not the case.

This team is going to have to do a thorough rebuild. For that reason, we need to be looking for as much as possible in picks coming back for Beal.

Hard to know exactly what's possible, but we don't need Huerter, Holmes or Mitchell, that's for sure.

[NatP4]

There's always a tendency to think we can skip a bunch of steps & become an outstanding team in a hurry. That's not the case.

This team is going to have to do a thorough rebuild. For that reason, we need to be looking for as much as possible in picks coming back for Beal.

Hard to know exactly what's possible, but we don't need Huerter, Holmes or Mitchell, that's for sure.

What? So the Kings are just going to absorb 46 million and send nothing back?

Sounds great. Sign me up.

[payitforward]

-- Good point!

I wasn't talking about the Kings trade. &, for sure, it'll be hard to send out a $46m contract w/o taking back significant salary. I just don't want to take back multi-year, overpay contracts.

I guess I'm thining that ideal trades would maximize picks & expiring contracts. Which, obviously, is a lot easier said than done.

[gambitx777]

Some trades I think make a lot of sense

Kings

Kings in : Beal
Was in : richaun Holmes, Malik monk, Kessler Edwards, #24, #38,#54, and a future protected first.

4 way to the bucks.

Bucks in : Beal
BKN in : Middleton
Orlando in : Ben Simmons
Was in : jor Harris, Gary Harris, Marjon bachamp, the rights to a guy named Besson from bucks, #21,#22,#36,#51,#60, a 2024 second from bucks and a 2027 second from bucks.

Philly three way harden opts in to be traded.

Philly in : Beal
Rockets in : harden, tucker
Was in : gurraba, martin JR, Jaden springer, the draft rights for a guy named Filip form Philly, 24,27,28,two29 seconds from Philly and a 2029 first from Philly.

A twist on the Knicks trade

NYK in : Beal
Orlando in : Simmons
BKN in : Todd, Miles McBride
Was in : rose, Evan, dequan Jeffries, roby, Gary Harris, #22,#36,#51, 2024 protected was and det firsts, 2024 dal first, 2025 protected mil first.

A twist on the heat trade
Heat in : Beal
Orlando in : Ben Simmons
BKN in : Kyle Lowery
Was in : Gary Harris, jor Harris, oladipo, jovic, #18,#22,#36,#51, 2026 and 2029 seconds from heat, 2027 protected first from heat

Suns (kuz opts in to be traded)

Suns in : Kuz, Morris, Wright, cooks .
Wiz in: Chris Paul, #52, 24-25-26-27-28 second round picks, 2024 and 2026 first round pick swap rights.


Editor note.
I think Orland has some incentive to take Ben, they need a defensive anchor and they have a year before they have to start paying guys, even then they are in good money shape. They are like one of three teams that can take a flyer on Simmons and with the 6 and 11 pick a second is a easy price to pay.

Brooklyn has incentive to get off Ben now. With a weai free agency class and teams with loads of cap room cam Johnson is gonna get a massive offer sheet. It be smart to make a cushion in able to stay under the tax and match any offer for him.

Yes the nets and madic could do this on their own.... But they don't get rid of Joe Harris that way and where is the fun in that!

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[Silvie Lysandra]

:) -- Good point!

I wasn't talking about the Kings trade. &, for sure, it'll be hard to send out a $46m contract w/o taking back significant salary. I just don't want to take back multi-year, overpay contracts.

I guess I'm thining that ideal trades would maximize picks & expiring contracts. Which, obviously, is a lot easier said than done.

If you're not contending anyway, why not take back a big contract - if anything you want a *worse* value contract because it lets you effectively buy more draft picks.

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[Dark Faze]

Bucks have no assets.

I might still entertain GS if they want to shake things up. Kuminga, Poole, Moody, and like...10 first round draft picks if such a thing is even possible, just for taking the Poole contract.

[80sballboy]

I think even if teams have few to no assets, I can see this Beal trade is going to take more than two teams to complete. Unfortunately, with Beal's NTC, you aren't going to get the perfect deal with OKC or NO because he may have a list of a handful of teams that he'd like to head to.

[payitforward]

How's this:

Beal, Kuzma & #8 for Simmons, Bridges & #s 21 & 22.

It would depend on a wink-wink between the Nets & Kuz's agent. &, even more, on their having a high regard for Kuz.

They move off of Simmons. We tolerate his contract, because it's half the length of Brad's. Bridges is a big plus, & maybe they would place a high value on moving up to 8.

If it feels weighted in their direction, they might include Thomas.
If it feels weighted in our direction, we might include Deni.

Make any sense at all?