BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[wilson115]

I've seen some all time ridiculous comments from both sides this draft period.

I think it's cause this is the first time we had a pick where the options are this narrow ans we are running out of topics to argue about.

I think the anti-Scoot stuff has been way worse, but my view might be skewed because I have been following the draft discussion in the draft subforum all season and there has been a specific poster trolling the Scoot discussion since like February.

Ive seen some bad pro Scoot arguments here, but I'm also seeing lots of pro Miller people getting mad at realistic praise for Scoot because they just refuse to believe that Scoot is as good as he is in some areas. If people are getting annoyed when someone calls Scoot an elite athlete, its not the pro Scoot person being wrong in that scenario.

Ive even been pretty disappointed in what I'm seeing from some of the pro Miller draft media crowd. I was really excited to hear Rafael Barlowe go on a Hornets podcast because I was hoping to get a good argument for Miller from him, but he mostly just made the same tired arguments about fit and then specifically criticized Scoot by questioning his ability as a finisher, which is silly because Scoots rim efficiency was nearly 20% better than Miller's in the halfcourt and 6% better overall, and he shot 48% on floaters... The whole time he was acting smug like the people that like Scoot are just caught up in the hype and have only seen his game vs Wemby.

This is definitely a whiny post, but oh well lol.

You literally got people saying Scoot is Curry on HGH.

I think both sides have their crazy predictions.

Nope. We have people saying other people are saying Scoot is Curry on HGH. Can walk on water. Will bring world peace while dunking from the free throw line. Anything except what other people have actually put forward.

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[wilson115]

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Pulls out for Iso, tween, cross, cross and fire a 3 yet he can’t dribble or create space.

Little more context:
AT THE RIM
85-147 57.8%
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2023&p=Brandon%20Miller&t=Alabama

According to Synergy Sports, Miller was 33-43 (76.7%) on his transition rim attempts this year and only 33-84 (39.3%) in the half-court. Yes, 39% at the rim in the half-court, with only 3 dunks. Fewer than 14% of his overall field goal attempts were taken at the bucket — and that comes in one of the best-spaced offenses in college basketball under Nate Oats.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/brandon-miller-2023-nba-draft-scouting

[KingCat]

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Pulls out for Iso, tween, cross, cross and fire a 3 yet he can’t dribble or create space.

Little more context:
AT THE RIM
85-147 57.8%
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2023&p=Brandon%20Miller&t=Alabama

According to Synergy Sports, Miller was 33-43 (76.7%) on his transition rim attempts this year and only 33-84 (39.3%) in the half-court. Yes, 39% at the rim in the half-court, with only 3 dunks. Fewer than 14% of his overall field goal attempts were taken at the bucket — and that comes in one of the best-spaced offenses in college basketball under Nate Oats.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/brandon-miller-2023-nba-draft-scouting

Yeah this is my biggest problem with taking him 2. I just don't get the guarantee that he is gonna be a consistent self creator at the next level. Been plenty of guys that could score at will in college, but couldn't translate it to the NBA.

Very big chance he will be a great spot up shooter , but being a good spot up shooter isn't enough to go 2 for me.

[LofJ]

My primary issue with drafting Miller is that he has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as LaMelo. They're both great shooters, but neither can put pressure on the rim. They're also both skinny and easy to push around. Miller does not complement LaMelo that well on offense, they duplicate each other if anything. Scoot's strengths complement LaMelo more than Miller's.

[SWedd523]

My primary issue with drafting Miller is that he has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as LaMelo. They're both great shooters, but neither can put pressure on the rim. They're also both skinny and easy to push around. Miller does not complement LaMelo that well on offense, they duplicate each other if anything. Scoot's strengths complement LaMelo more than Miller's.

I mean Scoot can't play off ball, so you're changing your offense for him to be the dominant ball handler, hoping Melo can exist off ball long term.

Defensively you're putting either Melo or Scoot in a mismatch every game because they'll both be targeted by twos.

The Melo and Scoot fit is far from seamless. It's been just about universally agreed upon that they're poor complementary players

[JustBuzzin]

My primary issue with drafting Miller is that he has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as LaMelo. They're both great shooters, but neither can put pressure on the rim. They're also both skinny and easy to push around. Miller does not complement LaMelo that well on offense, they duplicate each other if anything. Scoot's strengths complement LaMelo more than Miller's.

This board is hilarious!

First we only picking Miller because he is the better fit.

Now Miller is not the better fit because he's skinny like Melo.lmao


Good thing the draft is Thursday. Im ready to get this over with im going to root for Miller or Scoot either way.

[LofJ]

My primary issue with drafting Miller is that he has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as LaMelo. They're both great shooters, but neither can put pressure on the rim. They're also both skinny and easy to push around. Miller does not complement LaMelo that well on offense, they duplicate each other if anything. Scoot's strengths complement LaMelo more than Miller's.

This board is hilarious!

First we only picking Miller because he is the better fit.

Now Miller is not the better fit because he's skinny like Melo.lmao


Good thing the draft is Thursday. Im ready to get this over with im going to root for Miller or Scoot either way.

Make the argument that Miller's strengths/weaknesses complement LaMelo.

[JMAC3]

I still think Miller will end up the better player long term. Shooting, size and skill is just so tough to find.

Soooo many super athletes in the NBA who can’t figure out how to get on the floor. I get the appeal but think people value it way too much.

Saying Miller and LaMelo won’t work because they play similarly but we saw prime Steph and Klay shoot their way to 4 titles.

[Giddf]

I still think Miller will end up the better player long term. Shooting, size and skill is just so tough to find.

Soooo many super athletes in the NBA who can’t figure out how to get on the floor. I get the appeal but think people value it way too much.

Saying Miller and LaMelo won’t work because they play similarly but we saw prime Steph and Klay shoot their way to 4 titles.

Shot creation is the most difficult skill to find. Tall shooters are everywhere.

[JustBuzzin]

My primary issue with drafting Miller is that he has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as LaMelo. They're both great shooters, but neither can put pressure on the rim. They're also both skinny and easy to push around. Miller does not complement LaMelo that well on offense, they duplicate each other if anything. Scoot's strengths complement LaMelo more than Miller's.

This board is hilarious!

First we only picking Miller because he is the better fit.

Now Miller is not the better fit because he's skinny like Melo.lmao


Good thing the draft is Thursday. Im ready to get this over with im going to root for Miller or Scoot either way.

Make the argument that Miller's strengths/weaknesses complement LaMelo.

Melo is a playmaking guard. Miller is a 6'9 wing who can knock down the 3pt shot. It's pretty self explanatory how they compliment each other. Miller can come off screens like he did in college. We can use him like the Warriors use Klay Thompson. He also has the ability to create off the dribble his game winner vs SC was off the dribble. Miller is the prototypical wing he fits on any team if we being honest.

We already have a rim attacker in Bridges.

Need I say more?

[JustBuzzin]

I still think Miller will end up the better player long term. Shooting, size and skill is just so tough to find.

Soooo many super athletes in the NBA who can’t figure out how to get on the floor. I get the appeal but think people value it way too much.

Saying Miller and LaMelo won’t work because they play similarly but we saw prime Steph and Klay shoot their way to 4 titles.

Shot creation is the most difficult skill to find. Tall shooters are everywhere.

This narrative Miller can't get his own shot is flat out false.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKfyrU4UoTU

[LofJ]

This board is hilarious!

First we only picking Miller because he is the better fit.

Now Miller is not the better fit because he's skinny like Melo.lmao


Good thing the draft is Thursday. Im ready to get this over with im going to root for Miller or Scoot either way.

Make the argument that Miller's strengths/weaknesses complement LaMelo.

Melo is a playmaking guard. Miller is a 6'9 wing who can knock down the 3pt shot. It's pretty self explanatory how they compliment each other. Miller can come off screens like he did in college. We can use him like the Warriors use Klay Thompson. He also has the ability to create off the dribble his game winner vs SC was off the dribble. Miller is the prototypical wing he fits on any team if we being honest.

We already have a rim attacker in Bridges.

Need I say more?

So he's tall and he can shoot, just like LaMelo. Nothing about how he struggles to score in the half court without being assisted just like LaMelo.

One rim attacker in Bridges is putting a lot on a guy that has been out an entire season that we are hoping will be the same player he was before.

There's a reason Bridges and LaMelo look great together. It's because their strengths and weaknesses complement one another.

[KingCat]

I still think Miller will end up the better player long term. Shooting, size and skill is just so tough to find.

Soooo many super athletes in the NBA who can’t figure out how to get on the floor. I get the appeal but think people value it way too much.

Saying Miller and LaMelo won’t work because they play similarly but we saw prime Steph and Klay shoot their way to 4 titles.

Shot creation is the most difficult skill to find. Tall shooters are everywhere.

This narrative Miller can't get his own shot is flat out false.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKfyrU4UoTU

This was aganist an 11-21 team. Plenty of guys were great go to scorers in college, but then can't create a shot to save their lives in the NBA.

I'm not saying Miller is not gonna be able to be a shot creator in the NBA, but it is not something that is guaranteed, especially when you keep his apparent weaknesses in mind.

[JustBuzzin]

Make the argument that Miller's strengths/weaknesses complement LaMelo.

Melo is a playmaking guard. Miller is a 6'9 wing who can knock down the 3pt shot. It's pretty self explanatory how they compliment each other. Miller can come off screens like he did in college. We can use him like the Warriors use Klay Thompson. He also has the ability to create off the dribble his game winner vs SC was off the dribble. Miller is the prototypical wing he fits on any team if we being honest.

We already have a rim attacker in Bridges.

Need I say more?

So he's tall and he can shoot, just like LaMelo. Nothing about how he struggles to score in the half court without being assisted just like LaMelo.

One rim attacker in Bridges is putting a lot on a guy that has been out an entire season that we are hoping will be the same player he was before.

There's a reason Bridges and LaMelo look great together. It's because their strengths and weaknesses complement one another.

It's 2023 bro nobody is winning championships with a rim attacker based offense. 1 is enough in today's NBA.

This is a shooters league if you don't understand that then there is no need to keep debating with you.

[JustBuzzin]

Shot creation is the most difficult skill to find. Tall shooters are everywhere.

This narrative Miller can't get his own shot is flat out false.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKfyrU4UoTU

This was aganist an 11-21 team. Plenty of guys were great go to scorers in college, but then can't create a shot to save their lives in the NBA.

I'm not saying Miller is not gonna be able to be a shot creator in the NBA, but it is not something that is guaranteed, especially when you keep his apparent weaknesses in mind.

So I show you proof of him getting his own offense and you still discredit him. There are other videos in this thread showing Miller creating off the dribble.

But hey keep creating that false narrative. People actually think this dude is just a shooter is kind of funny.

[LofJ]

Melo is a playmaking guard. Miller is a 6'9 wing who can knock down the 3pt shot. It's pretty self explanatory how they compliment each other. Miller can come off screens like he did in college. We can use him like the Warriors use Klay Thompson. He also has the ability to create off the dribble his game winner vs SC was off the dribble. Miller is the prototypical wing he fits on any team if we being honest.

We already have a rim attacker in Bridges.

Need I say more?

So he's tall and he can shoot, just like LaMelo. Nothing about how he struggles to score in the half court without being assisted just like LaMelo.

One rim attacker in Bridges is putting a lot on a guy that has been out an entire season that we are hoping will be the same player he was before.

There's a reason Bridges and LaMelo look great together. It's because their strengths and weaknesses complement one another.

It's 2023 bro nobody is winning championships with a rim attacker based offense. 1 is enough in today's NBA.

This is a shooters league if you don't understand that then there is no need to keep debating with you.

The Nuggets were near the bottom of the league in 3 point attempts per game. What wins is a team that can score and defend in multiple different ways. A team that can find a way to win when shots aren't falling. A team that lives and dies by 3 pointers isn't winning a championship.

[JustBuzzin]

So he's tall and he can shoot, just like LaMelo. Nothing about how he struggles to score in the half court without being assisted just like LaMelo.

One rim attacker in Bridges is putting a lot on a guy that has been out an entire season that we are hoping will be the same player he was before.

There's a reason Bridges and LaMelo look great together. It's because their strengths and weaknesses complement one another.

It's 2023 bro nobody is winning championships with a rim attacker based offense. 1 is enough in today's NBA.

This is a shooters league if you don't understand that then there is no need to keep debating with you.

The Nuggets were near the bottom of the league in 3 point attempts per game. What wins is a team that can score and defend in multiple different ways. A team that can find a way to win when shots aren't falling. A team that lives and dies by 3 pointers isn't winning a championship.

So you asked me a question about Miller and Melo and how they fit. Then you criticize me for my answer.

No need to go on you clearly only want to here why they don't fit.

[LofJ]

It's 2023 bro nobody is winning championships with a rim attacker based offense. 1 is enough in today's NBA.

This is a shooters league if you don't understand that then there is no need to keep debating with you.

The Nuggets were near the bottom of the league in 3 point attempts per game. What wins is a team that can score and defend in multiple different ways. A team that can find a way to win when shots aren't falling. A team that lives and dies by 3 pointers isn't winning a championship.

So you asked me a question about Miller and Melo and how they fit. Then you criticize me for my answer.

No need to go on you clearly only want to here why they don't fit.

You didn't answer the question. You answered that Miller is good at the same things LaMelo is. That was my point from the start and you didn't refute it.

[SWedd523]

Make the argument that Miller's strengths/weaknesses complement LaMelo.

Melo is a playmaking guard. Miller is a 6'9 wing who can knock down the 3pt shot. It's pretty self explanatory how they compliment each other. Miller can come off screens like he did in college. We can use him like the Warriors use Klay Thompson. He also has the ability to create off the dribble his game winner vs SC was off the dribble. Miller is the prototypical wing he fits on any team if we being honest.

We already have a rim attacker in Bridges.

Need I say more?

So he's tall and he can shoot, just like LaMelo. Nothing about how he struggles to score in the half court without being assisted just like LaMelo.

One rim attacker in Bridges is putting a lot on a guy that has been out an entire season that we are hoping will be the same player he was before.

There's a reason Bridges and LaMelo look great together. It's because their strengths and weaknesses complement one another.

You aren't saying a 6'2 PG will be able to create the same dynamism as Melo and a 6'7 SF/PF, are you?

[JustBuzzin]

The Nuggets were near the bottom of the league in 3 point attempts per game. What wins is a team that can score and defend in multiple different ways. A team that can find a way to win when shots aren't falling. A team that lives and dies by 3 pointers isn't winning a championship.

So you asked me a question about Miller and Melo and how they fit. Then you criticize me for my answer.

No need to go on you clearly only want to here why they don't fit.

You didn't answer the question. You answered that Miller is good at the same things LaMelo is. That was my point from the start and you didn't refute it.

Miller does not fit with Melo. He can't create, he's skinny, his basketball iq is low, he lacks a strong motor. Im honestly shocked he was voted SEC Player of The Year. I have no idea why he is in the discussion as the #2 pick. These teams are watching a totally different player than me. This dude just doesn't do anything on the court to be considered a lottery pick. If he was smart he would go back to Alabama and prove that the SEC player of the year award was not a fluke. Stay away from Miller.

Happy now?