Ja Morant Receives 25-Game Suspension From NBA

[JustBuzzin]

He didn't flash a gun he pointed it at his own head.

He didn't break any laws lmao!

Dana White beat his wife and the world went on like no big deal.


So you with a straight face telling me Ja pointing a gun is more news worthy than a UFC owner beating his wife?

It seems society is more concerned with the people who do dumb things than the people who commit crimes.

Thats not all Ja did he beat up a teenager went into his house and got the gun to threaten him and he went and threatened a guy working at a shoe shop.. None of this is mentioned because of the same reason noone talks about the ufc owner beating his wife

This story has been a big deal for months.

Im just tired of the news. Dude has an issue with flashing guns and listening to NBA Youngboy. Big deal.

I rather focus on the people who actually commit crimes and hide with no criticism cough cough Dana White.

[alienpick]

Dude flashes a gun on IG and this is the biggest story in sports.

UFC owner Dana White beats his wife and nobody made nothing out of it. He had no suspension or anything.


Weird times we living in.

He didn't flash a gun he pointed it at his own head.

He didn't break any laws lmao!

Dana White beat his wife and the world went on like no big deal.


So you with a straight face telling me Ja pointing a gun is more news worthy than a UFC owner beating his wife?

It seems society is more concerned with the people who do dumb things than the people who commit crimes.

Didn't break any laws? Does he have an open carry permit? Is it legal to ride around in a car in public and flash a gun?

[basketballwacko2]

Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.

I think Miles Bridges should have gotten a 50 game suspension starting as soon as he signs a contract. But allowing him to miss the season and then giving him a seemingly small suspension is not right.

That said, whether these NBA players like it or not they are role models for millions of kids and young men. I've said for years that "Social Media" will lead to the downfall of civil society. When a Ja Morant gets on one of these sites and waives his gun around like he's some kind of bad ass gangsta it tells these kids that is cool and that's the way a real badass is supposed to act. Any more of this Dumbf***ery needs to be crushed with a season long suspension. This kind of thing is what has lead our cities into the crime riddled urban hellscapes that they are today.

You still can't make arbitrary rules up as you go along because you have decided you think something is a "bad example" especially when that thing is legal and hotly debated and supported by half the country. Our society as a whole hasn't even decided guns are bad and made them illegal, and Morant has not been accused of a crime, does not have a civil litigation against him, there is no league rule broken, and there is no victim in this act.

If you want to compare social media "mistakes", Anthony Edwards mocking gay people on social media and using anti-gay slurs would strike me as similar to what Morant did. That was a 40k fine and no suspension. I'm _significantly_ more offended by what Edwards did than what Morant did. What Edwards did actually has victims in it and it actually violates league policies around discrimination.

In terms of Morant, I care about 100x more when he allegedly punched a minor in the face over a pick up game where you know an actual crime was committed, but no one did anything about that. If you ask me if Morant has it all together, I'd say absolutely not. He's an absolute moron to behave this way, but both things can be true. He's an absolute moron, and this punishment is absolutely completely absurd by any objective measure or previous examples.

NBA and all sports contracts have a clause called the Moral Turpitude Clause. It covers depravity and shameful and vile behavior. This kind of thing leads to terrible things and Ja needs to get his head together.

[haste10176]

He didn't break any laws lmao!

Dana White beat his wife and the world went on like no big deal.


So you with a straight face telling me Ja pointing a gun is more news worthy than a UFC owner beating his wife?

It seems society is more concerned with the people who do dumb things than the people who commit crimes.

Thats not all Ja did he beat up a teenager went into his house and got the gun to threaten him and he went and threatened a guy working at a shoe shop.. None of this is mentioned because of the same reason noone talks about the ufc owner beating his wife

This story has been a big deal for months.

Im just tired of the news. Dude has an issue with flashing guns and listening to NBA Youngboy. Big deal.

I rather focus on the people who actually commit crimes and hide with no criticism cough cough Dana White.

Threatning people is a crime bashing up a teenager is a crime bringing a gun out to threaten the teenager also a crime.. But his boys cover for him and he is rich so we all know nothing will happen of course Dana white should also be handcuffed..

[dougthonus]

NBA and all sports contracts have a clause called the Moral Turpitude Clause. It covers depravity and shameful and vile behavior. This kind of thing leads to terrible things and Ja needs to get his head together.

Yes, and when you try to use this clause here and come up with real comparable examples, it's obvious how completely hollow and meaningless this is:

Again:
No specific league rule broken
Not accused of a crime
Did not victimize anyone
No civil litigation pending
Open to debate about whether what he did is even immoral
Was not behaving in league capacity and was on personal time

Compared to Edwards situation:
Broke specific league rule around discrimination
Did have specific victims
Otherwise same as Morant's

When you say something is a moral hazard or shameful, you have to then weigh that comparably to other things you are using that clause against. When you start measuring out Morant's objective behavior by any objective measure, it falls into a category that is less than what other people get small fines for.

You can't use any objective measures to back Morant's punishment because it is excessive relative to any example you can come up with by an absolutely massive amount, has no precedent, and is based on what looks like completely arbitrary morals

[dice]

25 games is enough, he didn’t do anything illegal for gods sake

Not saying 25 games is right now but Not sure why people keep saying this. Legality is not the issue. NBA employees have a code of conduct.

a code of conduct which is obviously very much influenced by the law. the league can do whatever it wants in negotiation with the union, but it's not only reasonable but just to take legality into consideration

[dice]

They ban people from the league for years to drug offenses, but waving guns around in a video multiple times gets you 25 games? Yeah, that adds up.

morant did what probably many other players are doing. what earned him the suspensions was the stupidity of allowing himself to be filmed. meanwhile, the nba had a serious drug problem in the '70s. combine that with the illegality and it totally adds up that certain drug offenses might be more punitive

[dice]

Ja Morant is a thug but even thugs have 2nd amendment rights.

Silver should have been clear that he suspended Ja due to his reckless disregard for his own safety and those around him by pointing a gun to his own head NOT because he is a lawful gun owner.

and league image

[dice]

Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.

i'd say that the punishment here is pretty appropriate but those OTHER incidents were under-punished

he certainly wasn't "railroaded." he knew full well what the consequences of doing this again would be. and he probably got off easier than he should have expected

[dice]

Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.

I think Miles Bridges should have gotten a 50 game suspension starting as soon as he signs a contract. But allowing him to miss the season and then giving him a seemingly small suspension is not right.

That said, whether these NBA players like it or not they are role models for millions of kids and young men. I've said for years that "Social Media" will lead to the downfall of civil society. When a Ja Morant gets on one of these sites and waives his gun around like he's some kind of bad ass gangsta it tells these kids that is cool and that's the way a real badass is supposed to act. Any more of this Dumbf***ery needs to be crushed with a season long suspension. This kind of thing is what has lead our cities into the crime riddled urban hellscapes that they are today.

social media is indeed a plague. but not because it leads to crime waves. and urban areas are a far cry from the image in your head. you've been absorbing way too much right wing media

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

how about chicago (fox news's favorite misinformation target because they have elected consecutive progressive black mayors)? murder/homicides:

1974 970
1992 939

2014 411 (record low)
'16-'19 600+ average
'20-'22 750+ average (obviously pandemic was a contributor)

and the increases haven't just been in urban areas. from the right wing but respected wall st. journal:

https://www.wsj.com/story/murder-rates-soar-in-rural-america-bb431022

homicide death rates are a bit higher in urban areas, overall gun death rates slightly higher in rural areas due to the much higher gun ownership rate and associated suicide rates

[JustBuzzin]

He didn't flash a gun he pointed it at his own head.

He didn't break any laws lmao!

Dana White beat his wife and the world went on like no big deal.


So you with a straight face telling me Ja pointing a gun is more news worthy than a UFC owner beating his wife?

It seems society is more concerned with the people who do dumb things than the people who commit crimes.

Didn't break any laws? Does he have an open carry permit? Is it legal to ride around in a car in public and flash a gun?

No he didn't break any laws if he did he would be in jail right now.lol

How about the guy that actually committed a crime why does he get to keep owning a franchise and fly under the radar like nothing happened?

Everybody want to focus on Ja. What about the wife beater where is his name in sports media?

[JustBuzzin]

Thats not all Ja did he beat up a teenager went into his house and got the gun to threaten him and he went and threatened a guy working at a shoe shop.. None of this is mentioned because of the same reason noone talks about the ufc owner beating his wife

This story has been a big deal for months.

Im just tired of the news. Dude has an issue with flashing guns and listening to NBA Youngboy. Big deal.

I rather focus on the people who actually commit crimes and hide with no criticism cough cough Dana White.

Threatning people is a crime bashing up a teenager is a crime bringing a gun out to threaten the teenager also a crime.. But his boys cover for him and he is rich so we all know nothing will happen of course Dana white should also be handcuffed..

People make threats every day.

He made a threat and flashed a gun. Yet he's been the biggest story in sports for the past 4 months.

Miles Bridges beat his wife why isn't he more talked about?

It goes back to my point society is more concerned about trying to cancel people who don't commit crimes and let the people who commit crimes fly under the radar.

Just like Brandon Miller. People focused on this kid when the dude who actually committed the crime is not even noticed. I don't even know the other kid name. You would think Brandon Miller was the one that committed the crime based on what you hear on social media.

I just don't understand the new era of social media and sports media.

[spikeslovechild]

This story has been a big deal for months.

Im just tired of the news. Dude has an issue with flashing guns and listening to NBA Youngboy. Big deal.

I rather focus on the people who actually commit crimes and hide with no criticism cough cough Dana White.

Threatning people is a crime bashing up a teenager is a crime bringing a gun out to threaten the teenager also a crime.. But his boys cover for him and he is rich so we all know nothing will happen of course Dana white should also be handcuffed..

People make threats every day.

He made a threat and flashed a gun. Yet he's been the biggest story in sports for the past 4 months.

Miles Bridges beat his wife why isn't he more talked about?

It goes back to my point society is more concerned about trying to cancel people who don't commit crimes and let the people who commit crimes fly under the radar.

Just like Brandon Miller. People focused on this kid when the dude who actually committed the crime is not even noticed. I don't even know the other kid name. You would think Brandon Miller was the one that committed the crime based on what you hear on social media.

I just don't understand the new era of social media and sports media.

Bridges was discussed extensively when the issue happened, he missed the entire 2022-2023 season due to the charge, and was suspended in April.

The incident first happened in November OF LAST year. We are not discussing him because he isn't recent news not because NBA fans have somehow accepted his behavior. What exactly is your point anyways? That it's okay to beat your wife because OJ got away with murder? What does one have to do with the other? I am sure every time Bridges get discussed his arrest is in the back of peoples minds but why does it need to be a topic of conversation as it relates to Ja?

You want to know what the real problem today is people like yourself who get stuck in their own partisanship and are willing to excuse, equivocate, and rationalize bad behavior because the bad actors are on "your" team. Demand better not only of the players you root for but elevate your own personal standards as well.

[spikeslovechild]

NBA and all sports contracts have a clause called the Moral Turpitude Clause. It covers depravity and shameful and vile behavior. This kind of thing leads to terrible things and Ja needs to get his head together.

Yes, and when you try to use this clause here and come up with real comparable examples, it's obvious how completely hollow and meaningless this is:

Again:
No specific league rule broken
Not accused of a crime
Did not victimize anyone
No civil litigation pending
Open to debate about whether what he did is even immoral
Was not behaving in league capacity and was on personal time

Compared to Edwards situation:
Broke specific league rule around discrimination
Did have specific victims
Otherwise same as Morant's

When you say something is a moral hazard or shameful, you have to then weigh that comparably to other things you are using that clause against. When you start measuring out Morant's objective behavior by any objective measure, it falls into a category that is less than what other people get small fines for.

You can't use any objective measures to back Morant's punishment because it is excessive relative to any example you can come up with by an absolutely massive amount, has no precedent, and is based on what looks like completely arbitrary morals

How is the morality of what he did open for debate? Do you think it's okay to wildly wave around a gun with your finger on the trigger before pointing it at your own head?

What is wrong with you?

[DimesandKnicks]

They ban people from the league for years to drug offenses, but waving guns around in a video multiple times gets you 25 games? Yeah, that adds up.

morant did what probably many other players are doing. what earned him the suspensions was the stupidity of allowing himself to be filmed. meanwhile, the nba had a serious drug problem in the '70s. combine that with the illegality and it totally adds up that certain drug offenses might be more punitive

Drugs are illegal; guns are not

[DimesandKnicks]

Threatning people is a crime bashing up a teenager is a crime bringing a gun out to threaten the teenager also a crime.. But his boys cover for him and he is rich so we all know nothing will happen of course Dana white should also be handcuffed..

People make threats every day.

He made a threat and flashed a gun. Yet he's been the biggest story in sports for the past 4 months.

Miles Bridges beat his wife why isn't he more talked about?

It goes back to my point society is more concerned about trying to cancel people who don't commit crimes and let the people who commit crimes fly under the radar.

Just like Brandon Miller. People focused on this kid when the dude who actually committed the crime is not even noticed. I don't even know the other kid name. You would think Brandon Miller was the one that committed the crime based on what you hear on social media.

I just don't understand the new era of social media and sports media.

Bridges was discussed extensively when the issue happened, he missed the entire 2022-2023 season due to the charge, and was suspended in April.

The incident first happened in November OF LAST year. We are not discussing him because he isn't recent news not because NBA fans have somehow accepted his behavior. What exactly is your point anyways? That it's okay to beat your wife because OJ got away with murder? What does one have to do with the other? I am sure every time Bridges get discussed his arrest is in the back of peoples minds but why does it need to be a topic of conversation as it relates to Ja?

You want to know what the real problem today is people like yourself who get stuck in their own partisanship and are willing to excuse, equivocate, and rationalize bad behavior because the bad actors are on "your" team. Demand better not only of the players you root for but elevate your own personal standards as well.

Comparing the punishment of someone who committed an actual crime, a violent one at that, to the punishment of someone who didn’t in the same league seems pretty rational.

[JustBuzzin]

Threatning people is a crime bashing up a teenager is a crime bringing a gun out to threaten the teenager also a crime.. But his boys cover for him and he is rich so we all know nothing will happen of course Dana white should also be handcuffed..

People make threats every day.

He made a threat and flashed a gun. Yet he's been the biggest story in sports for the past 4 months.

Miles Bridges beat his wife why isn't he more talked about?

It goes back to my point society is more concerned about trying to cancel people who don't commit crimes and let the people who commit crimes fly under the radar.

Just like Brandon Miller. People focused on this kid when the dude who actually committed the crime is not even noticed. I don't even know the other kid name. You would think Brandon Miller was the one that committed the crime based on what you hear on social media.

I just don't understand the new era of social media and sports media.

Bridges was discussed extensively when the issue happened, he missed the entire 2022-2023 season due to the charge, and was suspended in April.

The incident first happened in November OF LAST year. We are not discussing him because he isn't recent news not because NBA fans have somehow accepted his behavior. What exactly is your point anyways? That it's okay to beat your wife because OJ got away with murder? What does one have to do with the other? I am sure every time Bridges get discussed his arrest is in the back of peoples minds but why does it need to be a topic of conversation as it relates to Ja?

You want to know what the real problem today is people like yourself who get stuck in their own partisanship and are willing to excuse, equivocate, and rationalize bad behavior because the bad actors are on "your" team. Demand better not only of the players you root for but elevate your own personal standards as well.

The point is why the hell are we talking about Ja Morant for 4 straight months when he committed no crime?


People are actually making skits on youtube about this dude. People making money off his name. I don't see anything funny about this situation.

We need to talk about the criminals and shed light on them aka Dana White and Miles Bridges. They are the people who deserve shaming.

[Phystic]

25 games is enough, he didn’t do anything illegal for gods sake

Not saying 25 games is right now but Not sure why people keep saying this. Legality is not the issue. NBA employees have a code of conduct.

a code of conduct which is obviously very much influenced by the law. the league can do whatever it wants in negotiation with the union, but it's not only reasonable but just to take legality into consideration

A crime would be taken into consideration sure. But the lack of crime doesn't mean the league doesn't still have grounds.

People get so hung up on what he did not being illegal, when that's really unrelated

[dice]

Not saying 25 games is right now but Not sure why people keep saying this. Legality is not the issue. NBA employees have a code of conduct.

a code of conduct which is obviously very much influenced by the law. the league can do whatever it wants in negotiation with the union, but it's not only reasonable but just to take legality into consideration

A crime would be taken into consideration sure. But the lack of crime doesn't mean the league doesn't still have grounds.

People get so hung up on what he did not being illegal, when that's really unrelated

sure. league image and competition/health considerations (in drug use cases) are totally legitimate factors that might have nothing to do with the law. wading into morality is where it becomes questionable. but i don't think silver is doing that here

[dougthonus]

i'd say that the punishment here is pretty appropriate but those OTHER incidents were under-punished

There is not an objective right or wrong for how much to punish someone for these things, there is only precedent and comparison. This is unprecedented compared to everything else.

he certainly wasn't "railroaded." he knew full well what the consequences of doing this again would be. and he probably got off easier than he should have expected

The first thing was totally different because he may have taken a gun on the team plane and broken league rules. If the first thing truly was only social media then his big mistake was not fighting the first thing too.

That said, as I've said before, Morant should have known better, it wasn't hard to read the room here, but what happened to him is absolutely unprecedented relative to any comparable. Go find another suspension where there is no victim, no league rule broken, no criminal charges, no civil charges, etc...