BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[JDR720]

Again, you need more than shooting. Versatility is important. And you can find shooting without spending the #2 overall pick on a 3&D player. If Miller were, say, 6'6 instead of 6'9, would anyone view him as a top 3 pick?

Well it is good Miller is more than shooter than huh?
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SEC Player of the year
SEC REG Season/Tourney Champ
SEC Leading Scorer
4th in rpg in conf
10th in blocks in conf.
1st in threes made
6th in Free throws made.

We aren't arguing to take Grady Dick 2nd overall, but that is how you are trying to position your argument.

Yeah...and most of that is shooting 3's (most of which were assisted). Did you not look at his shot charts or any of the other stats that have been posted?

[JMAC3]

I’m super paranoid Millers upside is 2022 Kelly Oubre

Same. I'm just straight up more impressed with what Scoot brings to the table.

Im not quiet sure what makes Miller stand out in comparison to prospects of the past similar to him. Really feeling like he will be another Cam Johnson which is great for an 8th pick, but not sure about 2.

Cam Johnson played 5 years in college and was still half the player Miller is.

Kelly Oubre comment is just funny and the reason why I can't take Scoot fans serious.
That would be like me trying to make a legit argument Scoot is Reggie Jackson.

[KingCat]

I’m super paranoid Millers upside is 2022 Kelly Oubre

Same. I'm just straight up more impressed with what Scoot brings to the table.

Im not quiet sure what makes Miller stand out in comparison to prospects of the past similar to him. Really feeling like he will be another Cam Johnson which is great for an 8th pick, but not sure about 2.

Cam Johnson played 5 years in college and was still half the player Miller is.

Kelly Oubre comment is just funny and the reason why I can't take Scoot fans serious.
That would be like me trying to make a legit argument Scoot is Reggie Jackson.

Hey man, bust happen and the NBA is too much of a crapshoot to objectively claim a prospect is gonna be better or worse than an active player. If someone believes Scoot is the next Reggie Jackson, then they have the right to have that belief

[JDR720]

Miller's shot chart compared to Dick

Miller:


Dick:

[fatlever]

Dean posted his Miller deep dive today. Makes his case for Miller at 2. It's a seemingly fair read in terms of high, mid, floor Comps.

Raises concerns over Miller's poor 1st step, possible lack of role inside arch, low steal rate and lack of history shooting 3s at the rate he did.

But values his player type as long shooter with high floor and at worst ok def and decent chance to hit his mid comps of an all star type, as well as his possible clutch and winning mentality.


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[JMAC3]

Miller's shot chart compared to Dick

Miller:


Dick:

Exactly Miller is not like him.

Miller shot and made nearly 2x near the rim than Dick
Shot nearly 2x the free throws Dicks did.

[yosemiteben]

Have thought a lot about it and I think what bothered me most about Miller at first is still my biggest issue - he looks like a skinny, below the rim player that isn't strong enough to create in ISO situations or off the dribble or to be a plus POA defender. If I saw more athleticism or strength I'd be less concerned.

[KingCat]

Have thought a lot about it and I think what bothered me most about Miller at first is still my biggest issue - he looks like a skinny, below the rim player that isn't strong enough to create in ISO situations or off the dribble or to be a plus POA defender. If I saw more athleticism or strength I'd be less concerned.

I've recently realized that offensively, he doesn't seem to take full advantage of his great length, which is troublesome because his size is really his only standout physical tool.

Reasons he struggled to create separation is obviously his bad first step but also when he drives he takes such little strides despite having long legs.

This might make people upset, but I don't think his offensive game changes much if you chopped 3 or 4 inches from his height.

I wonder of he had a big growth spurt in highschool and is still adjusting or something. I just hope we can teach him to use his size when creating as that will unlock a new tier as a player for him.

[fatlever]

Have thought a lot about it and I think what bothered me most about Miller at first is still my biggest issue - he looks like a skinny, below the rim player that isn't strong enough to create in ISO situations or off the dribble or to be a plus POA defender. If I saw more athleticism or strength I'd be less concerned.

I'd add that I'm also not impressed with his handles. I think it all limits his upside inside the 3pt line against bigger stronger faster defenders, despite added space. It's not end of world and can be improved. I just think people need to be less excited about those parts of his game. The value is 3pt shooting, length, rangy defender, solid connector as passer.

I think it's fair to say he still has a high floor as a result, but I fail to see him hitting that high end comp of perennial All NBA guy.

He will no doubt add value as Hayward replacement and better version of oubre, at very least.

I do think it's possible that 3,4 years from now he's still only 3rd best player on team behind melo and miles. But I feel confident in him being no worse than that either.

Scoot to me is the bigger wildcard. His floor is lower, but I think his ceiling is higher.

Both 3pt shooters, rim pressure and playmaker are tremendously valuable. We need all 3, big time. It would be great if one player. Scoot or Miller could eventually provide at least two of those 3 things.

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[JDR720]

Exactly Miller is not like him.

Miller shot and made nearly 2x near the rim than Dick
Shot nearly 2x the free throws Dicks did.

The point is Miller isn't good at the rim, regardless of how many times he shoots there. How many star wings can't finish in the paint?

Pg13 shoots 63%.
Tatum shoots 62%.
Brown shoots 64%.
Jimmy shoots 61%
Leonard shoots 63%

For an in house comp, Miles shot 63% when he last played.

Miller needs to become significantly better inside. Or else his NBA role will be a 3&D player. The last time we had a debate about drafting a wing that couldn't finish, it was about Stanley Johnson years ago.

Since I mentioned Johnson. Can't find his shot chart...but here is a quote.

“Perhaps Johnson’s most glaring issue offensively is his ability, or lack thereof, to finish at the rim. In half-court situations, he shot a brutal 40 percent at the rim. His lack of touch is alarming, and he often enters the paint out of control like a bull in a china shop. His incredibly quick first step coupled with his aforementioned power and athleticism that allowed him to be so effective on drives to the rim mean little if he can’t learn how to finish better in the paint. Right now, Johnson’s saving grace is his ability to get to the free throw line (4.9 free throws per-40 minutes) and convert his freebies at a high rate (74.2 percent).”

https://fansided.com/2015/06/23/stanley-johnson-kelly-oubre-nba-draft-2015-scouting-report/

Since Kelly was mentioned, he shot 55% in college...and 55% last season with us.

[JMAC3]

Exactly Miller is not like him.

Miller shot and made nearly 2x near the rim than Dick
Shot nearly 2x the free throws Dicks did.

The point is Miller isn't good at the rim, regardless of how many times he shoots there. How many star wings can't finish in the paint?

Pg13 shoots 63%.
Tatum shoots 62%.
Brown shoots 64%.
Jimmy shoots 61%
Leonard shoots 63%

For an in house comp, Miles shot 63% when he last played.

Miller needs to become significantly better inside. Or else his NBA role will will be a 3&D player. The last time we had a debate about drafting a wing that couldn't finish, it was about Stanley Johnson years ago.

Since I mentioned Johnson. Can't find his shot chart...but here is a quote.

“Perhaps Johnson’s most glaring issue offensively is his ability, or lack thereof, to finish at the rim. In half-court situations, he shot a brutal 40 percent at the rim. His lack of touch is alarming, and he often enters the paint out of control like a bull in a china shop. His incredibly quick first step coupled with his aforementioned power and athleticism that allowed him to be so effective on drives to the rim mean little if he can’t learn how to finish better in the paint. Right now, Johnson’s saving grace is his ability to get to the free throw line (4.9 free throws per-40 minutes) and convert his freebies at a high rate (74.2 percent).”

https://fansided.com/2015/06/23/stanley-johnson-kelly-oubre-nba-draft-2015-scouting-report/

Since Kelly was mentioned, he shot 55% in college...and 55% last season with us.

He improved his finishing to end the year massively, 23 game sample size vs 25 total games for Scoot.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[JustBuzzin]

I’m super paranoid Millers upside is 2022 Kelly Oubre

You can say the same about Scoot he might be Eric Bledsoe 2.0

[JMAC3]

Again, you need more than shooting. Versatility is important. And you can find shooting without spending the #2 overall pick on a 3&D player. If Miller were, say, 6'6 instead of 6'9, would anyone view him as a top 3 pick?

Well it is good Miller is more than shooter than huh?
-
SEC Player of the year
SEC REG Season/Tourney Champ
SEC Leading Scorer
4th in rpg in conf
10th in blocks in conf.
1st in threes made
6th in Free throws made.

We aren't arguing to take Grady Dick 2nd overall, but that is how you are trying to position your argument.

Yeah...and most of that is shooting 3's (most of which were assisted). Did you not look at his shot charts or any of the other stats that have been posted?

He averaged more PPG on free throws than Scoot.
Yet you would have me believe he is 1 dimensional scorer.

[SWedd523]

Exactly Miller is not like him.

Miller shot and made nearly 2x near the rim than Dick
Shot nearly 2x the free throws Dicks did.

The point is Miller isn't good at the rim, regardless of how many times he shoots there. How many star wings can't finish in the paint?

Pg13 shoots 63%.
Tatum shoots 62%.
Brown shoots 64%.
Jimmy shoots 61%
Leonard shoots 63%

For an in house comp, Miles shot 63% when he last played.

Miller needs to become significantly better inside. Or else his NBA role will will be a 3&D player. The last time we had a debate about drafting a wing that couldn't finish, it was about Stanley Johnson years ago.

Since I mentioned Johnson. Can't find his shot chart...but here is a quote.

“Perhaps Johnson’s most glaring issue offensively is his ability, or lack thereof, to finish at the rim. In half-court situations, he shot a brutal 40 percent at the rim. His lack of touch is alarming, and he often enters the paint out of control like a bull in a china shop. His incredibly quick first step coupled with his aforementioned power and athleticism that allowed him to be so effective on drives to the rim mean little if he can’t learn how to finish better in the paint. Right now, Johnson’s saving grace is his ability to get to the free throw line (4.9 free throws per-40 minutes) and convert his freebies at a high rate (74.2 percent).”

https://fansided.com/2015/06/23/stanley-johnson-kelly-oubre-nba-draft-2015-scouting-report/

Since Kelly was mentioned, he shot 55% in college...and 55% last season with us.

He improved his finishing to end the year massively, 23 game sample size vs 25 total games for Scoot.

Read on Twitter

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And that's including him "wilting against stronger competiton" and having a groin injury.

Curious to see the rebuttal to that tweet

[luciano-davidwesley]

I’m super paranoid Millers upside is 2022 Kelly Oubre

Absolutely ridiculous comment. His UPSIDE is Kelly? I expect better from you Rich.

[SWedd523]

I’m super paranoid Millers upside is 2022 Kelly Oubre

Absolutely ridiculous comment. His UPSIDE is Kelly? I expect better from you Rich.

He's nowhere near as pretty as Kelly

[wilson115]

The point is Miller isn't good at the rim, regardless of how many times he shoots there. How many star wings can't finish in the paint?

Miller needs to become significantly better inside. Or else his NBA role will will be a 3&D player.

He improved his finishing to end the year massively, 23 game sample size vs 25 total games for Scoot.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

And that's including him "wilting against stronger competiton" and having a groin injury.

Curious to see the rebuttal to that tweet

This again?

Miller finished the year converting on 54.3% of his finishes. During the first 10 games, he was only 42.8% at the rim, then followed that up with a stretch where he converted 70.3% of his rim attempts.

While 54.3% on the year is a solid mark, the ‘how’ behind that number still gives me concern and is a large reason why I have Miller a little bit behind the likes of Amen Thompson and Scoot Henderson. According to Synergy Sports, Miller was 33-43 (76.7%) on his transition rim attempts this year and only 33-84 (39.3%) in the half-court. Yes, 39% at the rim in the half-court, with only 3 dunks. Fewer than 14% of his overall field goal attempts were taken at the bucket — and that comes in one of the best-spaced offenses in college basketball under Nate Oats.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/brandon-miller-2023-nba-draft-scouting

[Heelsfan119]

Miller's shot chart compared to Dick

Miller:


Dick:

The Miller shot chart is deceiving without knowing the philosophies of the teams. Alabama takes a very analytical approach to its offense. They believe it’s more advantageous if you only shoot 3’s and layups/dunks. The midrange, in their opinion, is inefficient. Miller was actually pretty skilled in high school at that level. Though his finishing was weaker towards the beginning of the year, it did improve tremendously. I think he’s a good prospect that has a chance to be a multiple all-star in the league.

[fatlever]

quotes from jj redick
https://clutchpoints.com/hornets-news-real-reason-the-hornets-are-in-love-with-brandon-miller-jj-redick

“All the intel seems to point to Charlotte holding onto that pick and drafting Brandon Miller,” Redick said. “He's at -250 (odds). Scoot Henderson at plus 160. I think that's probably the next tier of guys (after Wembanyama).”

Redick said the Hornets view him as a top prospect because of his shooting and handling skills.

“The issue is, at least my intel is saying that Charlotte really loves Brandon Miller. They view him as a tier one prospect. There's a fit, there's a need. There's just not many guys that are NBA-ready at 6 ‘8″, 6' 9″ that can handle the ball and shoot the ball, and he does that.”

[JustBuzzin]

quotes from jj redick
https://clutchpoints.com/hornets-news-real-reason-the-hornets-are-in-love-with-brandon-miller-jj-redick

“All the intel seems to point to Charlotte holding onto that pick and drafting Brandon Miller,” Redick said. “He's at -250 (odds). Scoot Henderson at plus 160. I think that's probably the next tier of guys (after Wembanyama).”

Redick said the Hornets view him as a top prospect because of his shooting and handling skills.

“The issue is, at least my intel is saying that Charlotte really loves Brandon Miller. They view him as a tier one prospect. There's a fit, there's a need. There's just not many guys that are NBA-ready at 6 ‘8″, 6' 9″ that can handle the ball and shoot the ball, and he does that.”

All these people have said Miller was the pick from the moment we won the lottery.

It seems the closer we get to the draft the more people are saying Miller is the pick.

If it's true we asked for Ingram over Zion that should tell you the thinking of this team. They looking for wing. This pick comes down to us already having Melo at pg and a prosepect in Miller who is viewed on the same talent level as Scoot.