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Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

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Post#821 » by oreon » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:07 pm

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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Nah I believe Barry.
Beal choosing PHX would be a great Spin for out Front Office who Barry is a mouth piece for.

Heat stood their ground Wash liked PHX offer better. It is what it is


liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

Unless... Miami was standing firm that they had to take Robinson back.


Shamet deal is 3 years more. While Duncan 2. This wasn't the reason. Wuz would have gotten money off the books quicker with the Miami deal even with Duncan
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Post#822 » by SerialChiller » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:08 pm

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Seems like a lot we need to happen just to field a competitive offer.
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Post#823 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:08 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
oreon wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Nah I believe Barry.
Beal choosing PHX would be a great Spin for out Front Office who Barry is a mouth piece for.

Heat stood their ground Wash liked PHX offer better. It is what it is


liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

That should tell you what type of offer we had on the table.

This is kinda what I was expecting, I do wonder if we'll really find out what the offer was, I expected Riley to lean on leverage to give as little as possible and lose out on the player. He got Oladipo that way, lost Lowry at the trade deadline that way too.
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Post#824 » by Heat3 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:09 pm

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Heat3 wrote:Since when is Beal a winner? Come on. Our team is in 2 of the last four Finals and one shot away from three. That’s all I need to know.

I'd say getting the maximum amount of money (he could have only get the supermax last year only in Washington and a NTC) he could get and picking the team he goes to after getting a supermax makes him a winner in life and a great chance to still win while just being 30 years old next season.


Even the lowliest jabroni player is making a good living in the NBA. They are all winners at life. We could make a whole team of winners at life and be in the lottery every year. What’s it to us as fans? The Suns are built bad. They won’t win anything and might get blown up in a year or two when the bill gets too high.
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Post#825 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:09 pm

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Makes no sense.

We didn't offer #18?

Why? are we getting someone better then Beal?

Makes no sense


There wasnt a single team in the league offering a first round pick for Brad Beal.
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Post#826 » by BBallFreak » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:09 pm

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oreon wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Nah I believe Barry.
Beal choosing PHX would be a great Spin for out Front Office who Barry is a mouth piece for.

Heat stood their ground Wash liked PHX offer better. It is what it is


liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

That should tell you what type of offer we had on the table.

That really tells us nothing. That NTC is all you need to know about. He chose to be part of a super team rather than part of a real team...
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Post#827 » by Dc__20 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:09 pm

Who else is out there? I cbf hitting refresh 1m times just for Lillard to stay in Portland or bkn
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Post#828 » by KingDavid » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:10 pm

I'm worried about this place if we don't land Lillard lol
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Post#829 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:10 pm

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Post#830 » by oreon » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:10 pm

Shams saying Beal choose PHX over Miami. I think I trust his reporting more than Barry
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Post#831 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:10 pm

so... can someone put me in charge of making trades for the Heat?

because Pat seems to have gotten amnesia in his old age.

You CANNOT let negotiations drag on. Don't lowball. Get it done quick, as cheaply as you can, but not if it means it drags the negotiations.


If you let it drag along, then other teams start to think about it and "warm up" to the idea and then get involved.


Remember when the Lakers got Pau Gasol? Nobody was even given a chance to bid. The Lakers gave the Grizzlies exactly what they asked for, and that was it. It was an overnight trade, Lakers did what they had to do and boom, got it done quickly. The next morning, the league was in aftermath shock, wondering why nobody was informed so they could offer too.


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Post#832 » by KingDavid » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:11 pm

Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:so... can someone put me in charge of making trades for the Heat?

because Pat seems to have gotten amnesia in his old age.

You CANNOT let negotiations drag on. Don't lowball. Get it done quick, as cheaply as you can, but not if it means it drags the negotiations.


If you let it drag along, then other teams start to think about it and "warm up" to the idea and then get involved.


Remember when the Lakers got Pau Gasol? Nobody was even given a chance to bid. It was an overnight trade, Lakers did what they had to do and boom, got it done quickly. The next morning, the league was in aftermath shock, wondering why nobody was informed so they could offer too.

There was a laker legend that was in that Memphis front office....ijs.
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Post#833 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:13 pm

oreon wrote:
AirP. wrote:
oreon wrote:
liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

Unless... Miami was standing firm that they had to take Robinson back.


Shamet deal is 3 years more. While Duncan 2. This wasn't the reason. Wuz would have gotten money off the books quicker with the Miami deal even with Duncan

Shamet is non guaranteed
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Post#834 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:13 pm

oreon wrote:
AirP. wrote:
oreon wrote:
liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

Unless... Miami was standing firm that they had to take Robinson back.


Shamet deal is 3 years more. While Duncan 2. This wasn't the reason. Wuz would have gotten money off the books quicker with the Miami deal even with Duncan

Duncan is twice the money of Shamet!
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Post#835 » by Spacely » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:13 pm

So who are we getting with this #18 pick? We clearly need a PG or a PF/C.
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Post#836 » by miamiballer » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:13 pm

Yeah beal prob would have been ok with Miami but at the end used his ntc to go to phx

Which is funny because I think it’s exciting to get a shiny new toy but I think we may have dodged a bullet. Guy is a top 5 paid player in the league with a mtc, has never won anything, doesn’t play defense or playmake, and is injured A LOT and his scoring is way down the past 2 seasons

I think for the money and the assets we might be better off without getting him and using our assets for dame OR a starting pf
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Post#837 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:14 pm

AirP. wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
oreon wrote:
liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

That should tell you what type of offer we had on the table.

This is kinda what I was expecting, I do wonder if we'll really find out what the offer was, I expected Riley to lean on leverage to give as little as possible and lose out on the player. He got Oladipo that way, lost Lowry at the trade deadline that way too.

They just weren't serious. Dame was priority 1. They probably hoped that Wash would let this thing stretch for a lil bit but their front office wanted to get this done asap so they did. As long as Beal was ok with going to PHX we had no leverage.

You'd think we'd learn that lesson by now because its not guaranteed that if/when Dame asks out we'd be the only team on the list.
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Post#838 » by dshearn » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:14 pm

I would suspect, based on the tweets that came out..... the wizards tried to work with Miami to put in some draft capital and offered to take on Duncan's contract if Miami would toss in a draft pick.

Miami was holding on to those draft picks for a reason.....

Dude..... that Barry guy might have been right....maybe the plan WAS Beal AND Dame.....


Why the heck else would Miami not put in a draft pick.......

If you have an opportunity to move Duncan's contract off the books and you pass it up because of draft capital...something else...something big....must be in the works.
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Post#839 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:14 pm

KingDavid wrote:
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:so... can someone put me in charge of making trades for the Heat?

because Pat seems to have gotten amnesia in his old age.

You CANNOT let negotiations drag on. Don't lowball. Get it done quick, as cheaply as you can, but not if it means it drags the negotiations.


If you let it drag along, then other teams start to think about it and "warm up" to the idea and then get involved.


Remember when the Lakers got Pau Gasol? Nobody was even given a chance to bid. It was an overnight trade, Lakers did what they had to do and boom, got it done quickly. The next morning, the league was in aftermath shock, wondering why nobody was informed so they could offer too.

There was a laker legend that was in that Memphis front office....ijs.


I'm just saying, the Dame talks better not be more of the same **** from Pat. Otherwise, send Pat home and have someone else do the negotiations.

If we drag on for DAYS, haggling over some stupid pick or some role player, then we will see the same thing play out.

I'd like to hear what Pat refused to include in the trade for Beal. It better not be something stupid like the #18 pick.
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Post#840 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Heat3 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Heat3 wrote:Since when is Beal a winner? Come on. Our team is in 2 of the last four Finals and one shot away from three. That’s all I need to know.

I'd say getting the maximum amount of money (he could have only get the supermax last year only in Washington and a NTC) he could get and picking the team he goes to after getting a supermax makes him a winner in life and a great chance to still win while just being 30 years old next season.


Even the lowliest jabroni player is making a good living in the NBA. They are all winners at life. We could make a whole team of winners at life and be in the lottery every year. What’s it to us as fans? The Suns are built bad. They won’t win anything and might get blown up in a year or two when the bill gets too high.


Here's a more depressing thought, Miami going after... LaVine and actually having to give up real assets for a worse player than Beal.

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