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Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin & Isaiah Todd TRADED to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, six 2nd rounders, & pick swaps

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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#121 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:57 pm

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prime1time wrote:The only good thing is that for the first time in years, the front office has made a legitimate decision about the future of the franchise. I expect we will turn into OKC of the East.


The difference is, OKC maxed assets in trades BEFORE the tank commenced, guaranteeing they'd have young elite players AND a giant collection of picks to rebuild around. We just have some second rounders and our own picks. The only good news in this is that if we play this right, we'll never have to give up a first in the horrid Wall trade. But we won't have 1/4 the assets to play with that OKC had in their rebuild. We just have our own because we were too stupid to start this 4, 3, 2 and 1 year ago.

This is true, but it is what it is. We can talk about the past, but would you have done anything differently if you were the new GM?


No, as I've posted elsewhere, I would have done the exact same thing. It's a truly horrible trade, and if I were the GM in waiting, I would have made it clear to moron Ted that my coming into sign as GM would be contingent (not that you can write this into a deal obviously) into his understanding of what it entailed and what it meant to be able to turn around this hindenburg on fire of a franchise. I would make it abundantly clear to him that the way the team handled Beal the last 4.5 years was utterly inexcusable and that THEY and THEY ALONE were to blame for the horrific trade return they would be getting for Beal.

Ted being Ted, would probably still blame and fire the GM after 2 years because he's too ----ing stupid to realize that the mismanagement of the past half decade guaranteed at minimum another 3-5 years of failure MINIMUM once they failed to trade Beal, but I would get that in writing, and I would release that ---- to the press, from every angle, to clean my hands for my neck job.

But yeah, I don't blame management for any of this. Previous GM's, Ted, and the idiot fans that pressured him are 1000% to blame for this debacle.

At this point they need to sign and trade Kuzma if possible, otherwise just lose him, trade Kispert, trade Deni, and trade Porzingis, and hit rock bottom for YEARS because even Kispert and Deni at all have no value because by the time we might not suck anymore, those guys will be leaving anyway. You have to trade literally EVERYTHING of value, but before you do any of the trading, smoke out the next 3 draft classes w/the best scouts and insiders for high school scouting imaginable, it's always cheaper to get picks further down the line so if you can, do that too.

But yeah, I'd rip this at the roots, and rebuild aiming for single digit win seasons the next two-three years and pray the draft classes the next few years aren't ----, but karma for being this stupid is a ----- and knowing our luck, we'll land #1 overall in another 2000 caliber horror show class or 2020 for that matter.
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Post#122 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:01 pm

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badinage wrote:And: I really don’t want to hear considered takes on Beal right now.

Maybe in a while, sure.

A couple years.

Not now. This is disgraceful. Absolutely a gutless act against the team that drafted him, developed him, gave him the keys to the franchise, and gave him an insane amount of money (more than a player of his talent should ever have gotten).

Vindictive. Ruthless.

He will get his. I hope he knows that.


Nah, Beal just did what any player does. He did for himself. We've had a billion examples of this. Some of us have been arguing with fans here for nearly half a decade that you had to trade Beal because this was exactly what would happen but the fan base was insanely deluded (some of them) into thinking his love for DC trumped him ever playing for a contender. He wanted the bag and he wanted to win. If we'd ever built a successful team around him, he would've stayed, but that went down the drain in the winter of '18-'19 and for the last four and a half years, the fan base, front office and owners have been living in denial that this wasn't EXACTLY always what was going to happen if he wasn't traded in the '19, '20, '21, or '22 deadlines or offseasons. This was ALWAYS going to happen unless he was traded. We didn't have one chance to avert this, we had EIGHT. We never took action.

This is 100% on us, not on Beal. He's just doing what any player does, taking care of himself. We were the idiot franchise/fan base that stupidly thought he was an exception, AND that it was smarter to keep him, rather than deal him.

Nature is a cruel teacher, if you don't keep your head, you lose it. We lost it by not trading him FOR YEARS.

We are the idiots.

Instead of blaming Beal, just remember this --- damn lesson for once and do the right thing next time. Forty years of this ---- and it feels like the franchise, ownership, and some of the fans still haven't learned a thing.

All of you could teach rings around me about the right prospects and vets to build around, but the way this played out was team building 101 in the NBA, and how some people never saw this coming was and is utterly beyond me. That they blame Beal for it instead of the people that built this house the big bad wolf could blow down in .01 seconds is just confounding to me.

It isn't his fault we were played this way, if you can't see this coming, you shouldn't play the game in the first place, you/we, should just go home, which, btw, is what all fans should do to punish these idiots for now guaranteeing this team will remain irrelevant for fifty or so years instead of just 40-45.


I’m not sure why you’re so insistent on defending this deal and Beal. He screwed us.

You can talk about loyalty, and how teams don’t show players loyalty, but we did show Beal loyalty. we gave him the Supermax. And in return, he completely screwed us on the trade package.

This deal is absolutely horrific. Milwaukee and the heat both had better offers. Beal never should’ve been allowed to dictate what team he went to. If he didn’t want to play for the heat, he should have sat on the bench.

I feel disgusted.


We're fans, the Wizards are a business, Bradley Beal is a business, both did for themselves, only the Wizards we're ----y businessmen, like they've always been for nearly half a century and got taken to the cleaners like investors in Silicon Valley Bank and FTX, while Beal was skilled at it.

Is he a duplicitous, full of ---- -------, yep, but it's a business, and like those rules of the poker table (if you can't find the sucker at the table, you're the sucker) if you can't play this game like a business man, you will be taken. Ted was naive, just like the fans, and he got, well, that's too dirty of an analogy so I won't use it, but yeah. I get the hate for the guy and the anger, but it's misdirected. Ownership and the FO forgot this was a business, Beal NEVER did and cleaned us out of everything we had other than the door mat.
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Post#124 » by GoneShammGone » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:04 pm

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Post#125 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:05 pm

Tyrone Messby wrote:Can’t wait for us to get the first overall pick next season in a weak draft :lol:

That's the most hilarious part. This stupid, dumber than ----, hopelessly pathetic, utterly worthless franchise decided to tank THE YEAR AFTER THE WEMBAYAMA DRAFT!?!?!?!?! :lol: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


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Post#126 » by tleikheen » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:06 pm

Someone is going to ask ....WHY did this trade have to be done today when theirs no draft pick of significance in this trade ......
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Post#127 » by Halcyon » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:07 pm

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Post#128 » by keynote » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:08 pm

tleikheen wrote:Someone is going to ask ....WHY did this trade have to be done today when theirs no draft pick of significance in this trade ......


There was chatter that the Wizards wanted to beat Lillard to the market. But yeah, no reason to rush for this minimal value. The Suns would've had to give up more to get Dame than this.
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Post#131 » by GoneShammGone » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:20 pm

As bad as this trade is, I honestly do feel relieved that Brad is some other teams problem. I give Winger and co a pass on this one, since they inherited the absolute s___ sandwich of Brad's contract to deal with. Its kind of hard to believe that Tommy Sheppard got paid a salary to do the things he did to the Wizards.
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Post#133 » by The Sebastian Express » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:25 pm

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Nobody's coming here of quality. We should use any cap space we have for the next several years to eat ---- contracts for picks.


I think the new CBA's penalties for first and second apron thresholds could see some unconventional destinations end up getting great FAs in the future. Players want to be (rightfully) paid and those apron restrictions are going to really hurt.

Other than that, just here to offer my condolences to you guys. Feels like Beal did you dirty if it's true he wouldn't okay a trade that involved Ayton. Hope you guys get a good one at eight and moving forward.
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Post#134 » by AFM » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:25 pm

Can someone explain the first round swap to me?
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Post#135 » by keynote » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:29 pm

AFM wrote:Can someone explain the first round swap to me?


In a future draft, the Wizards will be able to take the higher of our own pick (high, since we're tanking), or the Suns' pick (which will be in the high 20s). But, if the Suns were to suffer multiple injuries, there's a remote chance their pick would be better than ours -- in which case we'll take the benefi.
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Post#137 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:40 pm

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AFM wrote:Can someone explain the first round swap to me?


In a future draft, the Wizards will be able to take the higher of our own pick (high, since we're tanking), or the Suns' pick (which will be in the high 20s). But, if the Suns were to suffer multiple injuries, there's a remote chance their pick would be better than ours -- in which case we'll take the benefi.


What year is the pick swap for?
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Post#138 » by GoneShammGone » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:40 pm

Wiretap says Clippers are interested in Paul. Would they give up the 30th pick? I can't imagine so....
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Post#139 » by PaulinVA » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:56 pm

Lookiing at it from a different perspective, it will be FASCINATING to see how our new leaders start from literally scratch. Has a team ever started a rebuild from such a deep pit? We're gonna see exactly how "real" our GMs are. It's going to be quite an odyssey.

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