2023 Off-season Thread

[City of Trees]

Made me laugh to see a raps fan go in on Davion because he isn't an All Star, bro neither is OG

[OxAndFox]

I have moved off Huerter with OG. IMO Huerter with his contract and strengths is worth more than last year's price. So 2 x 1sts. No I don't think the Kings would be looking to trade him for that, but he is 24 and coming off a career year where he showed a lot of growth as a player.

I think he would be necessary for the team to keep if OG were here too.
If the Kings can't find a trade for him, then let the Raps keep him and go after him in FA. We have seen players looking at the Kings far differently than ever before. Another season of playing an exciting brand of ball will only enhance that.
If Monte ran it back in the thinking of creating max cap space next off season I wouldn't be upset with that. Don't think it will happen, but it's an option for the Kings.
2024 FAs
Jaylen Brown (will sign the supermax though)
Siakam
Ant Edwards (RFA)
PG13
Buddy
AD
OG
Vassell (RFA)
Bane (RFA)

[BoogieTime]

Part of me just wants Huerter gone after the playoffs

It’s hard to look at someone who you can blame for costing you playoff series

His “coldness” in the playoffs was unacceptable to me and maybe his teammates. Maybe Monte just needs to clear the air by shipping him somewhere

[LightTheBeam]

Part of me just wants Huerter gone after the playoffs

It’s hard to look at someone who you can blame for costing you playoff series

His “coldness” in the playoffs was unacceptable to me and maybe his teammates. Maybe Monte just needs to clear the air by shipping him somewhere

Curious how you feel about your boy Sabonis? He was awful in that series, and I'd say considering he's the teams star, his performance was far more of a let down. Looney had a more impactful series than Sabonis.

[LightTheBeam]

I have moved off Huerter with OG. IMO Huerter with his contract and strengths is worth more than last year's price. So 2 x 1sts. No I don't think the Kings would be looking to trade him for that, but he is 24 and coming off a career year where he showed a lot of growth as a player.

I think he would be necessary for the team to keep if OG were here too.
If the Kings can't find a trade for him, then let the Raps keep him and go after him in FA. We have seen players looking at the Kings far differently than ever before. Another season of playing an exciting brand of ball will only enhance that.
If Monte ran it back in the thinking of creating max cap space next off season I wouldn't be upset with that. Don't think it will happen, but it's an option for the Kings.
2024 FAs
Jaylen Brown (will sign the supermax though)
Siakam
Ant Edwards (RFA)
PG13
Buddy
AD
OG
Vassell (RFA)
Bane (RFA)

Think you move Huerter for OG without thinking too much about it. OG is a worse shooter, but still very respectable. And we should see a huge increase from Keegan offensively this year, so a lot of that DHO with Sabonis will be Keegan instead of Huerter anyways. But what OG brings defensively is huge.

Obviously if you could get OG while keeping Huerter that would be nice, but he's not a deal breaker for me.

[KF10]

Draymond opted out of his last year -- which makes him UFA.

Should the Kings target him?

[KF10]

Also, Pacers are interested in Barnes.

Both Hali and their HC (Carlisle) seem to be the stem of the Pacers' interest -- since they have experience playing/coaching Barnes.

[City of Trees]

Draymond opted out of his last year -- which makes him UFA.

Should the Kings target him?

Depends. Will Draymond accept a smaller role? Pay cut? Short deal? If the answer is yes then I'd consider it. Mike Brown loves Draymond so I would trust his judgement.

[City of Trees]

Also, Pacers are interested in Barnes.

Both Hali and their HC (Carlisle) seem to be the stem of the Pacers' interest -- since they have experience playing/coaching Barnes.

Listening to Ham today it sounds like Barnes is a bit upset with how he's been treated by the Kings, not being top priority and all.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Barnes walk even if OG falls through.

[KF10]

Draymond opted out of his last year -- which makes him UFA.

Should the Kings target him?

Depends. Will Draymond accept a smaller role? Pay cut? Short deal? If the answer is yes then I'd consider it. Mike Brown loves Draymond so I would trust his judgement.

Even with Draymond antics, he will be a serious upgrade -- especially on the defensive end.

[KF10]

Also, Pacers are interested in Barnes.

Both Hali and their HC (Carlisle) seem to be the stem of the Pacers' interest -- since they have experience playing/coaching Barnes.

Listening to Ham today it sounds like Barnes is a bit upset with how he's been treated by the Kings, not being top priority and all.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Barnes walk even if OG falls through.

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It's business at the end of the day.

I hope the Kings are more upset about Barnes below-average playoff performance against the Warriors lol

If he feels "slighted" -- let him walk and test FA himself.

It gives the Kings more cap flexibility either way.

[City of Trees]

Also, Pacers are interested in Barnes.

Both Hali and their HC (Carlisle) seem to be the stem of the Pacers' interest -- since they have experience playing/coaching Barnes.

Listening to Ham today it sounds like Barnes is a bit upset with how he's been treated by the Kings, not being top priority and all.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Barnes walk even if OG falls through.

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It's business at the end of the day.

I hope the Kings are more upset about Barnes below-average playoff performance against the Warriors lol

If he feels "slighted" -- let him walk and test FA himself.

It gives the Kings more cap flexibility either way.

Agreed. I think hurt feelings is a result of extension talks happening towards the end of the season only to be halted after his terrible playoff performance.

[BoogieTime]

Part of me just wants Huerter gone after the playoffs

It’s hard to look at someone who you can blame for costing you playoff series

His “coldness” in the playoffs was unacceptable to me and maybe his teammates. Maybe Monte just needs to clear the air by shipping him somewhere

Curious how you feel about your boy Sabonis? He was awful in that series, and I'd say considering he's the teams star, his performance was far more of a let down. Looney had a more impactful series than Sabonis.

Well, I mean, he was the reason first and foremost for the team’s turnaround/being the third seed as a mvp candidate (6th in mvp nba voting nba.com) with the strongest impact stats on the team. So, if he’s the reason we were there largely in the first place, it’s more house money than that of Huerter. And the team is built around him as the hub, so, it’s not like a role player who you can just ship off. The team being built around him has a vested interest in him growing as a player.

[BoogieTime]

On Kingsherald the Raptors beat writer is saying basically what I said initially. OG is a league heralded player that will cost. We are bidding league wide and for the raptors not to want to keep him. The Kings maybe a contender with OG, that’s the possible frame of the picks. IMO it’s Keegan or several drafts.

There is a lot of hometown thinking IMO in our media.

If OG is committed, extended and contract isn’t at issue I would probably give Keegan, but it’s hard to see how the contract situation gets there

[BoogieTime]

Listening to Ham today it sounds like Barnes is a bit upset with how he's been treated by the Kings, not being top priority and all.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Barnes walk even if OG falls through.

\

It's business at the end of the day.

I hope the Kings are more upset about Barnes below-average playoff performance against the Warriors lol

If he feels "slighted" -- let him walk and test FA himself.

It gives the Kings more cap flexibility either way.

Agreed. I think hurt feelings is a result of extension talks happening towards the end of the season only to be halted after his terrible playoff performance.

He needs introspection with how he performed in the playoffs

[BoogieTime]

And it’s weird that Keegan was the hold up in Beal talks, reportedly

I wouldn’t have included him, but we couldn’t beat the Suns offer without including him (not that I especially craved him on this team)?

[LightTheBeam]

Listening to Ham today it sounds like Barnes is a bit upset with how he's been treated by the Kings, not being top priority and all.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Barnes walk even if OG falls through.

\

It's business at the end of the day.

I hope the Kings are more upset about Barnes below-average playoff performance against the Warriors lol

If he feels "slighted" -- let him walk and test FA himself.

It gives the Kings more cap flexibility either way.

Agreed. I think hurt feelings is a result of extension talks happening towards the end of the season only to be halted after his terrible playoff performance.

Great human, appreciate him helping create a great culture, but even good things have to come to an end. He has no place on this team imo at this stage. Too expensive as a backup, and doesn't fill what we need from the starter. Tough business.

[OxAndFox]

And it’s weird that Keegan was the hold up in Beal talks, reportedly

I wouldn’t have included him, but we couldn’t beat the Suns offer without including him (not that I especially craved him on this team)?

Beal picked the Suns. That was the end of the conversation. Miami beat out their offer too apparently. It had nothing to do with who was willing to give what.

[OxAndFox]

On Kingsherald the Raptors beat writer is saying basically what I said initially. OG is a league heralded player that will cost. We are bidding league wide and for the raptors not to want to keep him. The Kings maybe a contender with OG, that’s the possible frame of the picks. IMO it’s Keegan or several drafts.

There is a lot of hometown thinking IMO in our media.

If OG is committed, extended and contract isn’t at issue I would probably give Keegan, but it’s hard to see how the contract situation gets there

I don't think it's even the contract situation. Yes it's important. But the contribution Keegan made/is going to make vs OG isn't as large as people think. That's what Monte would be thinking about, building the team and improving it, not switching one out for another. He has his building blocks, now is the time to put the pieces around them and you don't do that by trading a key player who you believe will be a major piece coming off their rookie season for another player that would be a key piece for what essentially could be a minor upgrade, as quick as next season.
Particularly when the salary slot is extremely in favor of Keegan along with durability, youth, and offensive upside.
OG would no doubt be a huge addition to the defense, and it's not like he is a slouch on offense (nor will Keegan on D), but you absolutely need to add him to Keegan, not swap them.

There is talk that the FO/coaching staff views Keegan as a future multi time AS and will be part of a big 3 here that will lead the Kings to championship contention. Not saying that's what he is, or will be, but that's how high the FO/coaching staff views him. They see him every day, they know his work ethic, how coachable he is etc.
If that's the case Keegan isn't just off the table for OG, the Raptors, from the Kings' POV, would need to add to him.

Keegan isn't getting traded unless it's a star/superstar coming back, that much should be known by now (knock on wood cough Hali). And even though OG is really, really good, he isn't that. Having said that, maybe Monte views him as a star/superstar, who knows? I doubt he does, he wants to replace Barnes with OG, not Keegan with OG.
If that means the Kings miss out on him, so be it. They can wait it out and make a play for him next off season.

Outside of all this, a question for you. I asked myself this after listening to the Kings Pulse pod.
Could OG be a 2nd option?
IMO he absolutely can't be a 2nd option. Would seem Samson Folk of Raptors Republic agrees with that as well.
Does OG want a larger role on offense?
Yes, he does. last 3 seasons OG has averaged 13.2 attempts per game. That's more than anyone else on this roster except for Fox. That's essentially 2nd option-type stuff already on this squad and are the Sacramento Kings championship caliber with OG Anunoby as a 2nd option and taking away Keegan and essentially Barnes?
I don't think so.
If the Kings don't give him a 2nd option role, will OG stay and sign an extension?
No, he absolutely won't. He will go to the highest bidder that will give him that role. And if that happens the Kings just traded Keegan for the right to let OG try himself as a 2nd option, and most likely fail because of his shortcomings on the offensive end.

I don't see a deal of OG to Sacramento at all now. It needs to be a picks package and the Raptors seem like they wouldn't do that, which you have to question Masai here. From all reports they set the bar last deadline at 3 x 1sts. Now he is expiring and it would seem some teams are coming in with offers and they are balking. Time to walk away when someone isn't negotiating in good faith.

[OxAndFox]

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It's business at the end of the day.

I hope the Kings are more upset about Barnes below-average playoff performance against the Warriors lol

If he feels "slighted" -- let him walk and test FA himself.

It gives the Kings more cap flexibility either way.

Agreed. I think hurt feelings is a result of extension talks happening towards the end of the season only to be halted after his terrible playoff performance.

Great human, appreciate him helping create a great culture, but even good things have to come to an end. He has no place on this team imo at this stage. Too expensive as a backup, and doesn't fill what we need from the starter. Tough business.

It would be great if he would accept a bench role and sign for a few years at semi decent money. Play the Igoudala role. Don't count it out just yet.