Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin & Isaiah Todd TRADED to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, six 2nd rounders, & pick swaps

[Jay81]

We actually did ask for ayton and they said no

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[FAH1223]

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[gambitx777]

Or Beal said no

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[WallToWall]

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I do think that there is a chance CP plays for the Wizards. Assuming we get a highly rated PG in the draft, he can help mentor this new player. It may benefit him to wait our half the season and get traded to a title contender. We may even do him a solid and buy him out of this contract after 3/4 of the season is over so that he can join a title contender. It will give him a good chance to end his career with a title run.

[DCZards]

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I do think that there is a chance CP plays for the Wizards. Assuming we get a highly rated PG in the draft, he can help mentor this new player. It may benefit him to wait our half the season and get traded to a title contender. We may even do him a solid and buy him out of this contract after 3/4 of the season is over so that he can join a title contender. It will give him a good chance to end his career with a title run.

While I expect CP3 to be traded or bought out sooner rather than later, I too think there’s a chance he starts the season on the Zards roster.

I like the idea of Paul mentoring our rookie Anthony Black.

We’ll likely have to move either Morris or Wright (probably Monte) though.

[closg00]

I'd say it was a terrible awful trade AND probably the best we could get. If Beal indicated he would only waive his NTC to go to Phoenix, then we got everything they could give us. We can make a bit of a preliminary judgment when we see where CP3 ends up. BUT I want to see the next 5 moves the Wiz make in the next 10 days.

KP?
Kuz?
Do Wiz move up from #8?
Do they make THREE picks in the 2nd round? Do these use some of their 2nd rounders to trade up?
Deni?
Morris and Wright?

Honestly I have ZERO idea of the real plan and even less idea of what the roster will look like by mid-July. I AM sure that Winger, Dawkins and Schlenk do know what they're doing. So the Beal trade is just one piece of a much more complex puzzle. Interim trade grades feel pointless to me.

A sneaky curious question is that FIVE Wiz assistant coaches have left and ZERO have been hired

This is the truth, fans are triggered because we all know that:
1. Beal is not a SM player
2. The gun to the head contract terms presented to Tommy/Ted should have been REJECTED
3.We all knew the Wizards would get phucked because of the NTC

It is what it is, we'll be salty for a bit, but we are finally rid of Beal, and Todd :lol:

[The Consiglieri]

I'm just wondering if some of us really understand how long this rebuild is gonna be. It's funny because Leonsis has made this exact same mistake with the Caps, but at least there it was understandable because the Caps were largely a mid-table caliber side and better even as they aged out and were no longer contenders under any circumstance. The Caps could have shortened the post-Ovy rebuild substantially by trading him, Carlson, Backstrom and anything else of value after failing to defend the title in '19 (I would have traded him after the title because it was an obvious one off but I get why fans could not accept a Loria styled approach to a title defense (except via trades instead of refusing to resign vets), but the Caps should have blown it up years ago to shorten the time required to rebuild the roster. Hockeys closer to baseball than basketball in terms of how long it often takes for prospects to become legit pro's so starting the post-Ovy era early w/assets instead of late w/crumbs would have been the smarter play, they didn't. Now it will take forever, if it even works.

With the wiz, the same should have happened post-Wall and it didn't, but what is really gonna hurt, beyond getting no rebuilding assets to speak of for Wall or Beal (and actually getting picked clean of some of our own minor pieces in addition to Beal) is that we'll be tanking and rebuilding during horrid draft classes. Do people get how many years its going to take to rebuild this thing? This isn't the Sixers, Rockets, Pistons, Spurs, OKC tanking in time for epic draft classes, this is tanking in time for a 2000, 2013, 2020 styled ---- heap of a draft class. There may be a hidden gem of a prospect like there was in '13, but the odds are against us in finding that guy the next few years. Instead if we're lucky we'll land complimentary pieces instead of flat out busts the next two tank drafts which means the rebuild will take twice as long as it normally would. We are going to be awful for half a decade at least. To be fair, we've sucked forever, but I don't think a lot of the fan base gets that getting out from under the Beal deal doesn't matter too much beyond it allowing us to eat salary for picks in bad drafts.

I am highly skeptical we slot into odds for the #1 outside of a bottom 3-5 record over the next 3-4 years minimum, indeed, it will be fortunate if we spend at least an entire 4 year term at rock bottom to insure we draft high in a good or great class because the next two apparently suck. It's a long, long, long road back to even the play in game from where we sit today, and it's all on the owner and the previous front office as to why.

[joshuacf]

I'm just wondering if some of us really understand how long this rebuild is gonna be. It's funny because Leonsis has made this exact same mistake with the Caps, but at least there it was understandable because the Caps were largely a mid-table caliber side and better even as they aged out and were no longer contenders under any circumstance. The Caps could have shortened the post-Ovy rebuild substantially by trading him, Carlson, Backstrom and anything else of value after failing to defend the title in '19 (I would have traded him after the title because it was an obvious one off but I get why fans could not accept a Loria styled approach to a title defense (except via trades instead of refusing to resign vets), but the Caps should have blown it up years ago to shorten the time required to rebuild the roster. Hockeys closer to baseball than basketball in terms of how long it often takes for prospects to become legit pro's so starting the post-Ovy era early w/assets instead of late w/crumbs would have been the smarter play, they didn't. Now it will take forever, if it even works.

With the wiz, the same should have happened post-Wall and it didn't, but what is really gonna hurt, beyond getting no rebuilding assets to speak of for Wall or Beal (and actually getting picked clean of some of our own minor pieces in addition to Beal) is that we'll be tanking and rebuilding during horrid draft classes. Do people get how many years its going to take to rebuild this thing? This isn't the Sixers, Rockets, Pistons, Spurs, OKC tanking in time for epic draft classes, this is tanking in time for a 2000, 2013, 2020 styled ---- heap of a draft class. There may be a hidden gem of a prospect like there was in '13, but the odds are against us in finding that guy the next few years. Instead if we're lucky we'll land complimentary pieces instead of flat out busts the next two tank drafts which means the rebuild will take twice as long as it normally would. We are going to be awful for half a decade at least. To be fair, we've sucked forever, but I don't think a lot of the fan base gets that getting out from under the Beal deal doesn't matter too much beyond it allowing us to eat salary for picks in bad drafts.

I am highly skeptical we slot into odds for the #1 outside of a bottom 3-5 record over the next 3-4 years minimum, indeed, it will be fortunate if we spend at least an entire 4 year term at rock bottom to insure we draft high in a good or great class because the next two apparently suck. It's a long, long, long road back to even the play in game from where we sit today, and it's all on the owner and the previous front office as to why.

The Capitals were never and should never have considered trading Ovechkin. He's one of the greatest sports figures in DC history.

Just crazy delusional ramblings to suggest that the Capitals should have traded Ovi after failing to repeat.

[pcbothwel]

I'm just wondering if some of us really understand how long this rebuild is gonna be.

Why do people keep saying this?
This is NOT baseball. You can draft an 18 y/o that may not hit FA for a decade.
No one can seem to answer the question on our 2026 pick. Its only top 8 protected, which means that pick is GONE unless this rebuild goes TERRIBLY.
Seriously. Look at all the teams picking top 10. Not a single one of them was rebuilding 3+ years ago.
The equivalent would be the 2020 draft. Twolves, GSW, Hornet, Bulls, Cavs, Hawks, Pistons, Knicks, Wiz, Suns.
Only two teams are still bad.
1) Pistons: They whiffed on Hayes & Stewert, then Cade underwhelmed and then got hurt, then Ivey / Duren last year. They have been an abject failure in every way.
2) Hornets: They only had 1 premium pick in which they took Ball. Other than that, they picked outside the top 10 and never did a full rebuild. Ball getting hurt and Bridges getting suspended is the ONLY reason they are picking this high.

Thats it. All the other teams are making a play for the playoffs. So if you assume that we dont crash and burn then we will NOT have the 2026 pick.
So... we have the 8th pick this year and two probable top 5-7 pick in 2024 & 2025. Those 3 picks along with whatever Deni, Kispert, and Davis become should be enough to rebuild. We also need to move either Deni/Kispert for a pick and need to get SOMETHING for Porzinigis. Additionally, I fully expect us to pull an OKC and take on salary next year for another pick.
People seem to forget that OKC only tanked for 2 years. They were in the playoffs in 2019-20, and then tanked 20/21 & 21/22.

So in 2023-2025 we should have 3 top 8 picks, and then another 2-3 picks for our other assets. Again, no reason we arent competing for a play-in spot in 2026 similar to OKC this year.

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[Zonkerbl]

HAHAHAHAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAT????

So, does this work if we waive CP3 and go full tank mode next year? Like, WHAAAAAATTTTTTT????

[Rafael122]

A couple of things: the irony of the "tear it down!" crowd only to realize what exactly that means: pain

Secondly, if the rebuild lasts longer than 2 seasons, there is a problem. I'm not expecting Wiz to go from bottom rung to contender in 2 years, but I am expecting an OKC situation where it's two down years and then you can clearly see the arrow pointing up.

[Tyrone Messby]

I don’t mind the idea of Paul mentoring our new PG and then trading him at the deadline. You know he would ball out here and make him more of lucrative trade bait.

If KP opts in and we can’t trade him, that’ll be some good ammo at the deadline. And honestly KP and Paul is a good starting point for a somewhat competitive team Probably best to ship them both out sooner rather than later but that’s honestly a pretty solid foundation to be competitive. The pick and roll with KP and Paul

[80sballboy]

Mocking the Wizards’ Bradley Beal Return Misses the Point

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/6/20/23766984/bradley-beal-trade-return-washington-wizards-michael-winger

[The Consiglieri]

The Capitals were never and should never have considered trading Ovechkin. He's one of the greatest sports figures in DC history.

Just crazy delusional ramblings to suggest that the Capitals should have traded Ovi after failing to repeat.

I'm just gonna try not to return invective for invective.

If you prefer having a famous franchise player in his post prime and no Stanley Cup relevance, you do you.

I do not. You're either contending, or you are not, in this sport.

This team depleted and eventually eviscerated it's farm system in a litany of trades the previous decade culminating in the "all in" trades during the winter deadline of '16-'17. It didn't work, and then inexplicably it did a year later w/a slightly less impressive team as some of the tougher opponents in both the East and especially the West knocked eachother out and we smashed our opponents to finally grab that Cup. However, at that point, our team was actually a year past its peak based on age/performance trendlines, and we'd emptied the cupboard of prospects we had to make those runs for a decade during Ovy's prime.

There was no avenue left to compete for a title. We had no ammo left to trade other than vets after that run.

So what do you do?

For you? It's enjoy the title, and enjoy the inevitable decline of your vets and your team into irrelevance, first as a playoff 1 series and out team, and eventually not a playoff team.

For me, and for many, once its clear you can't win a title, it's time to break up what you have, and rebuild. You will never have a better opportunity to take a short cut on a rebuild than if you deal your best assets after you can no longer win a title but before their league valuation has declined significantly.

We didn't take those deals with Ovy, with Backstrom, with Carlson etc, and we didn't with Beal after Wall went down. We have already seen what is to come of failing to make those deals with the Wizards and we're about to see the same with Ovy.

For some its no matter, they want Ovy to retire a Capital, and set that record a capital. For me, I've got my memories of Ovy from draft day '19 years ago through the title five years ago, I don't need some extra little notes here and there to feel good about this era, I'd rather just begin the new one, and take a short cut while doing it. You'd rather spend twice as long sucking during the rebuild so long as you get your stars.

That's fine, but it sure as hell isn't competing to accomplish anything in terms of titles. As long as you understand that, and considering your dismissiveness, you clearly do not, it's fine, but the last thing I want to hear (just like with the Beal trade) is recriminations when you realize we're not at rock bottom and can't get anything close to the value we could have gotten 1,2, 3 and 4 years ago via trade.

You've got to take your medicine one way or another, all champion teams eventually do, you'd prefer the rebuild to take longer, so be it, it aint gonna be any fun at all though and omg is it gonna take longer and longer and longer than you'd ever think.

[GoneShammGone]

I don’t mind the idea of Paul mentoring our new PG and then trading him at the deadline. You know he would ball out here and make him more of lucrative trade bait.

If KP opts in and we can’t trade him, that’ll be some good ammo at the deadline. And honestly KP and Paul is a good starting point for a somewhat competitive team Probably best to ship them both out sooner rather than later but that’s honestly a pretty solid foundation to be competitive. The pick and roll with KP and Paul

Yeah, this is the Wizards, so what is most likely to happen is that CP3 and KP have amazing starts, and the addition by subtraction of no Kuz, means the Zards are sitting at like 30-25 at the deadline. At which point Ted announces that the Wizards only goal this season is to make the playoffs, he fires Winger, re-hires Sheppard, and trades our first rounder for John Collins. Then both KP and CP3 get hurt, and the Wizards melt down to finish the season .... 35-47.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[pcbothwel]

If Im Dawkins, I only accept 3 outcomes with CP3:
1) Move him as part of Beal trade to 3rd team for some asset (I.e. LAC for exprings + 30)
2) He suits up and plays good soldier until the deadline
3) We buy him out for the 15M he was originally guaranteed...20M AT MOST. This would save us 20M compared to Beal/Goodwin/Todd

Obviously #1 is the best for everyone, but under no circumstances to I just buy him out for some measly savings (I.e. Less than 5M)

[The Consiglieri]

A couple of things: the irony of the "tear it down!" crowd only to realize what exactly that means: pain

Secondly, if the rebuild lasts longer than 2 seasons, there is a problem. I'm not expecting Wiz to go from bottom rung to contender in 2 years, but I am expecting an OKC situation where it's two down years and then you can clearly see the arrow pointing up.

#1, I've always known it would mean pain (if you're writing to me anyway), I'm fully aware of that. How wouldn't we know that? Most of us are Redskins and Nats and Caps fans too (or at least fans of some of those teams). I'm just skeptical that a lot of people realize how long this will take, like for instance your post.

You say if it takes longer than 2 seasons its a problem.

Why wouldn't it?

If we trade Porzingis, what do we have of value here? Kispert, and other role players? Pretty much.

We don't even have the first of a big 3, and all available evidence suggests the next two drafts lack transformative players, that the drafts are more similar to 2020, and some of those disappointing classes from 2013-2017 but probably even worse than those (many of which had at least a couple of players with glowing profiles).

How do you turn around this team with classes kind of like what we drafted 2019-2023: the whole Rui/Deni/Kispert/Davis type of profiles because that's kind of what the review sounds like. Kispert/Davis/Deni type guys going top 10 instead of the teens (and 8 if I remember right with Deni).

I don't know. It looks bad to me. I don't expect to see any sunlight with the rebuild until at least '26 or '27, this is gonna be long, which I'm fine with, so long as they do the rest of it right unlike the last five years of mistakes.

[Zonkerbl]

dude I lived in DC for 20 years. Every year of watching the Wizards was pain. Particularly that era where they had really good offense and zero defense. Man that was painful. What a waste Gilbert Arenas' career was.

[joshuacf]

The Capitals were never and should never have considered trading Ovechkin. He's one of the greatest sports figures in DC history.

Just crazy delusional ramblings to suggest that the Capitals should have traded Ovi after failing to repeat.

I'm just gonna try not to return invective for invective.

If you prefer having a famous franchise player in his post prime and no Stanley Cup relevance, you do you.

I do not. You're either contending, or you are not, in this sport.

This team depleted and eventually eviscerated it's farm system in a litany of trades the previous decade culminating in the "all in" trades during the winter deadline of '16-'17. It didn't work, and then inexplicably it did a year later w/a slightly less impressive team as some of the tougher opponents in both the East and especially the West knocked eachother out and we smashed our opponents to finally grab that Cup. However, at that point, our team was actually a year past its peak based on age/performance trendlines, and we'd emptied the cupboard of prospects we had to make those runs for a decade during Ovy's prime.

There was no avenue left to compete for a title. We had no ammo left to trade other than vets after that run.

So what do you do?

For you? It's enjoy the title, and enjoy the inevitable decline of your vets and your team into irrelevance, first as a playoff 1 series and out team, and eventually not a playoff team.

For me, and for many, once its clear you can't win a title, it's time to break up what you have, and rebuild. You will never have a better opportunity to take a short cut on a rebuild than if you deal your best assets after you can no longer win a title but before their league valuation has declined significantly.

We didn't take those deals with Ovy, with Backstrom, with Carlson etc, and we didn't with Beal after Wall went down. We have already seen what is to come of failing to make those deals with the Wizards and we're about to see the same with Ovy.

For some its no matter, they want Ovy to retire a Capital, and set that record a capital. For me, I've got my memories of Ovy from draft day '19 years ago through the title five years ago, I don't need some extra little notes here and there to feel good about this era, I'd rather just begin the new one, and take a short cut while doing it. You'd rather spend twice as long sucking during the rebuild so long as you get your stars.

That's fine, but it sure as hell isn't competing to accomplish anything in terms of titles. As long as you understand that, and considering your dismissiveness, you clearly do not, it's fine, but the last thing I want to hear (just like with the Beal trade) is recriminations when you realize we're not at rock bottom and can't get anything close to the value we could have gotten 1,2, 3 and 4 years ago via trade.

You've got to take your medicine one way or another, all champion teams eventually do, you'd prefer the rebuild to take longer, so be it, it aint gonna be any fun at all though and omg is it gonna take longer and longer and longer than you'd ever think.

I think this could have been condensed into about a paragraph.

You understand that no high-profile players are going to want to play for you if you just trade them immediately after failing to win a Stanley Cup or NBA title, right?

This isn't NBA 2K. Players have emotions, and they are going to react accordingly if they see a legendary player get treated badly by an organization.

You don't treat legendary players like playing cards and trade them immediately after you think "the window" is over. It's terrible business. Everybody knows this.