Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup

[Wizenheimer]

Where are we seeing that Miami has no draft picks until 2028?

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Heat/16/draft-picks

According to this site they have a good number of their own 1st round picks.

The problem is that you can't be without a FRP in consecutive years. So because they don't have their 2025 pick, they can't trade the 2024 or 2026 pick. They could trade this year's pick after/during the draft, and also the 2027 pick.
Not a lot of meat on those bones, certainly not enough for a fair trade.

We could get some pick swaps in there though, I believe you can trade a pick swap for a year after trading a pick. Now we likely would have a worse record but it is something, they also might have a player they can move to another team for a 1st round pick.

Miami's first round picks are encumbered in 2025 & 2026. And because of the Stepian rule, they can't trade their 2027 first. So yeah, the next first round pick they have available is 2028. Yeah, they could arrange a swap of their 2027 first. But guess what, because Olshey was a massive idiot, Porland can't swap any of their first's thru 2028. Unless of course they can arrange a deal with Chicago, either by giving up the 23rd pick, or making a future first unprotected so Chicago lifts the encumbrance

and because Dame can't be traded until 3 weeks after the draft, any trade of 2023 first's is pretty much DOA

but think about that...in order to trade Dame, Portland has to trade away a first round pick before they can trade him. That's insane. Cronin has been trying to move around in stupid boxes Olshey left behind

in any event...the reality is that Miami has really crappy trade assets. You simply can't put lipstick on that pig

[Norm2953]

Amen has no shot. Not as in he's a poor three point shooter but has the foundation to grow as we look at his free throw percentage, but his shot is mechanically broken to significant degrees and he played against horrific talent with kids who were two to three years younger. If you're going to take an unconventional pick or pass on Miller, I'd just take Black or trade back for him.

I also don't take Haynes' tweet as anything but Miami PR to try to spin about why they didn't succeed in the trade for Beal. Numerous reports are they did make an offer and had interest (as did other teams), but ultimately Beal chose Phoenix. I would imagine if the reports of Beal refusing to agree to the trade if Ayton was included, if that is real, also made it so Miami wouldn't have wanted to add Herro.

I don't think that's from Dame's camp. I think that's genuinely Miami contacts with Haynes trying to spin a narrative about why they couldn't complete that deal. If you go listen to Miami fans from across multiple platforms, they feel they have had to go through this prior with Durant and I think one other star recently as well where they thought they had real great chances but ultimately another destination was chosen.

The Hornet's board who saw 7 years of MKG views Amen as another MKG which is a guy who can do anything but shoot.

They do seem really torn on Scoot especially if Miles Bridges returns for spacing will be a big problem
with Scoot, Bridges and Williams. I continue to think they would welcome the Blazers solving their
problem by trading them 23 to drop down to 3 so they can pick Miller who is a great fit for them.

Imagine the Dame trade talk if Portland was able to trade him prior to July 1.

[Wizenheimer]

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this could be negotiating 101 and it could be posturing

but we've heard more and more that Portland might keep the pick. And for those thinking that somehow, someway, the tea leaves are reading that Dame is going to Miami, I just don't think we'd be hearing about Portland keeping the pick if it meant Dame was going to demand a trade

I really believe that the impact of Sharpe....seeing his upside and the value of a 7th pick is informing both the Blazer front office, and Dame, about the value of a 3rd pick

[Norm2953]

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Lots or rumors out there

[Norm2953]

This might be the most interesting summer in Portland since 2007 with all the Dame trade talk,
Scoot/Miller and Zion.

Hornets board seems to think they have been irrelevant for seeming forever and if they trade
for Zion and he flames out, what does it matter? Miller just seems to me a much safer pick
for them unless MJ in one his last tasks as an owner, wants to gamble.

I doubt Portland if had pick 2 would trade for Zion for its too big a risk. They have no reason to
gamble

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Amen has no shot. Not as in he's a poor three point shooter but has the foundation to grow as we look at his free throw percentage, but his shot is mechanically broken to significant degrees and he played against horrific talent with kids who were two to three years younger. If you're going to take an unconventional pick or pass on Miller, I'd just take Black or trade back for him.

I also don't take Haynes' tweet as anything but Miami PR to try to spin about why they didn't succeed in the trade for Beal. Numerous reports are they did make an offer and had interest (as did other teams), but ultimately Beal chose Phoenix. I would imagine if the reports of Beal refusing to agree to the trade if Ayton was included, if that is real, also made it so Miami wouldn't have wanted to add Herro.

I don't think that's from Dame's camp. I think that's genuinely Miami contacts with Haynes trying to spin a narrative about why they couldn't complete that deal. If you go listen to Miami fans from across multiple platforms, they feel they have had to go through this prior with Durant and I think one other star recently as well where they thought they had real great chances but ultimately another destination was chosen.

The Hornet's board who saw 7 years of MKG views Amen as another MKG which is a guy who can do anything but shoot.

They do seem really torn on Scoot especially if Miles Bridges returns for spacing will be a big problem
with Scoot, Bridges and Williams. I continue to think they would welcome the Blazers solving their
problem by trading them 23 to drop down to 3 so they can pick Miller who is a great fit for them.

Imagine the Dame trade talk if Portland was able to trade him prior to July 1.

FWIW Amen seems to have an insanely good ability to navigate traffic with the ball. I know it was against inferior competition but his shake/euro-step is still pretty unreal. That is something MKG never had, MKG was thought to be a day 1 defender whose offense could develop but if Amen proves he can finish decently against NBA players than he could be a real problem on offense with teams not being able to stop him getting where he wants and drawing fouls like an SGA type ball-handler.

That shot is straight broke tho, and without it one wonders how much defenders will just sag off and dare him to shoot. He would need to at least get to a Fox level shooter to make the most of his more unique gifts. I'm not really trying to defend him as a prospect, but I think Hornets fans comparing him to MKG on offense because of shooting misses something important. It would kind of be like the Hornets to overthink the pick though and go with Amen at #2 and that would be an MKG level bad pick given who else is on the board.

[monopoman]

This might be the most interesting summer in Portland since 2007 with all the Dame trade talk,
Scoot/Miller and Zion.

Hornets board seems to think they have been irrelevant for seeming forever and if they trade
for Zion and he flames out, what does it matter? Miller just seems to me a much safer pick
for them unless MJ in one his last tasks as an owner, wants to gamble.

I doubt Portland if had pick 2 would trade for Zion for its too big a risk. They have no reason to
gamble

Well it might also be a case of they swing for the fences with Zion and if it works out they look like geniuses.

[Norm2953]

I think if a Zion trade happens, it will be the Hornets not the Blazers.

I really could see MJ in his last act as Hornets owner, delivering the home town Zion
to the Hornets roster. That would be an interesting roster for Zion/Bridges would
be an interesting handful for most NBA teams and the team has Melo to get them
the ball.

I really can't see Amen on the Blazers for Miller just makes too much sense as a Blazer.
That might also smooth things over for Dame, for it really would be the first time since
LA left, Portland had a full sized front court for he's had to play with Aminu/Harkless and
the Evan Turner's of the world.

[Goldbum]

Yeah I would hope a big center upgrade, Miller at SF, and a couple of legit bench pieces would be enough to get Dame to do what he says he want to do, and that's stay in Portland.

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I really feel we more than likely draft Scoot. I'm hoping Miller falls to 3 but if we aren't that lucky I have to think we move forward with Scoot while keeping Dame (I think his trade desire is highly overstated and leverage more than reality)

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I also think Dame's desire for a trade is overstated. He wants to win but he still wants to win here rather than uproot his life.

If we are just thinking about next year I think Scoot would be fine for some spot minutes with Lillard. It really wouldn't hurt to get Dame off ball a little bit, he has always had fantastic off-ball scoring metrics but no one has been a good enough passer to justify getting him much off-ball action. Of course that would mean Scoot would have to play up defensively but give the young gun a challenge, he seems like the type to rise up to that sort of situation.

It would almost certainly end up with a Simons trade however. In fact even if we take Miller I think a Simons trade is necessary, we should show faith in Sharpe and start him next year but don't want to relegate Ant to a bench role before getting a chance to trade him.

But back to Scoot that means that long-term his only avenue to starting is a Lillard trade or moving Sharpe to SF. I do wonder at how that second option might work but it seems less than ideal, too bad he didn't really grow to 6'8 and add 15 lbs this off-season.

So in the end if we drafted Scoot it would set up an either/or with Dame which would really set a poor vibe for the locker-room and would basically be a wasted year. If we don't end up trading Scoot (and rumors are he might fetch a real haul) it is better to tear off the band-aid and trade Dame sooner rather than later.

[Wizenheimer]

if Scoot is as good as people are claiming, having both Dame and Scoot is not going to be a burden. Dame and prime Derrick Rose would work fine, and Scoot has been compared to him.

but...if Scoot is really that good, he's going to Charlotte

in any event...it's time to trade Simons, IMO. With or without Dame; with or without Scoot

[DusterBuster]

if Scoot is as good as people are claiming, having both Dame and Scoot is not going to be a burden. Dame and prime Derrick Rose would work fine, and Scoot has been compared to him.

but...if Scoot is really that good, he's going to Charlotte

in any event...it's time to trade Simons, IMO. With or without Dame; with or without Scoot

Agreed on all fronts but the Charlotte one. Bad franchises make bad decisions

[Wizenheimer]

if Scoot is as good as people are claiming, having both Dame and Scoot is not going to be a burden. Dame and prime Derrick Rose would work fine, and Scoot has been compared to him.

but...if Scoot is really that good, he's going to Charlotte

in any event...it's time to trade Simons, IMO. With or without Dame; with or without Scoot

Agreed on all fronts but the Charlotte one. Bad franchises make bad decisions

true, and MJ is still in charge

[Norm2953]

I'd like to see Portland's final draft board for they seem resigned to pick the player the Hornets
have passed on.

What they do with the rest of the draft, likely sets up how they enter free agency. I suspect we'll
see Ant +23 aggressively shopped, especially if the Scoot is the player picked at 3. Portland will
have some work to do if Jerami Grant leaves in free agency

[Wizenheimer]

I'm wondering if it possible to get banned from the T&T forum and not here

it's so tempting to blast back against all the idiot Blazer trade ideas where some team is either stealing Dame or stealing the 3rd pick

I can be pretty rude when I'm motivated...and I'm getting pretty motivated

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[BlazersBroncos]

Dont see how we get Bam. Miami was just in the finals, I cant see them moving Bam for #3. I dont even think they would move Bam for Dame, as it leaves them with nothing in the post and sorta defeats the purpose of getting Bam.