Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Tha King]

^^^what about just adding Ayton?

He already has a midrange so while not a seamless fit he and Claxton could work offensively (similar to Mobley/Allen) and defensively the fit would be very good. I know perception of his ability is not good right now but this would be one of those buy low situations. He's clearly skilled offensively and maybe a different team and situation could get more out of him. His contract gets talked about but we'll be moving towards that being close to the contract for very good role players.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Not sure why adding Beal improves the Suns lol

Point guard less?

KD building another fail project lol

cp3 is 38, Beal is 30. that's the whole deal in a nutshell.

they used his salary slot (plus shamet) to add a player who will almost definitely be more productive over the next 2-3 years when KD is still hopefully KD.

they had very few assets left so beal was the best they could get with their last remaining assets.

Value wise sure. But Beal makes an insane amount of money and is a fringe all star. Phoenix could have used the Paul contract to acquire some role players. And then had other ways to add players as well.

Now they are stuck with these 4 and won't even have a second round pick for years.

Any injury could cripple them. And two guys are very injury prone.

Even if they trade Ayton. His value is at an all time low and they would need a Center to replace him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

i find it interesting that not one person here brought the idea bringing CP3 here for our TPE. He is exactly what we need and has build chemistry with Bridges and CamJ. Not going to lie, moving Din for additional pick or two can go a long way for us if we be looking to trade for tier 1A player.

Hes not what we need.

Hes old and washed up. And will be unmotivated to play for a non-contender.

[Papi_swav]

i find it interesting that not one person here brought the idea bringing CP3 here for our TPE. He is exactly what we need and has build chemistry with Bridges and CamJ. Not going to lie, moving Din for additional pick or two can go a long way for us if we be looking to trade for tier 1A player.

he wants to go to a contender

[Netaman]

Not sure why adding Beal improves the Suns lol

Point guard less?

KD building another fail project lol

cp3 is 38, Beal is 30. that's the whole deal in a nutshell.

they used his salary slot (plus shamet) to add a player who will almost definitely be more productive over the next 2-3 years when KD is still hopefully KD.

they had very few assets left so beal was the best they could get with their last remaining assets.

Value wise sure. But Beal makes an insane amount of money and is a fringe all star. Phoenix could have used the Paul contract to acquire some role players. And then had other ways to add players as well.

Now they are stuck with these 4 and won't even have a second round pick for years.

Any injury could cripple them. And two guys are very injury prone.

Even if they trade Ayton. His value is at an all time low and they would need a Center to replace him.

they werent getting much of anything for paul just as washington probably wont get much of anything for paul (and will probably just buy him out).

certainly not a fringe all star.

[CalamityX12]

Not sure why adding Beal improves the Suns lol

Point guard less?

KD building another fail project lol

cp3 is 38, Beal is 30. that's the whole deal in a nutshell.

they used his salary slot (plus shamet) to add a player who will almost definitely be more productive over the next 2-3 years when KD is still hopefully KD.

they had very few assets left so beal was the best they could get with their last remaining assets.

With Booker on the roster and starting spot, how does Beal compliment him?

[Papi_swav]

Not sure why adding Beal improves the Suns lol

Point guard less?

KD building another fail project lol

cp3 is 38, Beal is 30. that's the whole deal in a nutshell.

they used his salary slot (plus shamet) to add a player who will almost definitely be more productive over the next 2-3 years when KD is still hopefully KD.

they had very few assets left so beal was the best they could get with their last remaining assets.

With Booker on the roster and starting spot, how does Beal compliment him?

they're both wing players that can get buckets anywhere. I think they'll be fine. They can get a vet min point guard and already have Payne. I would trade Ayton for 2-3 rotation pieces and fill out the roster.

[ChuckS]

cp3 is 38, Beal is 30. that's the whole deal in a nutshell.

they used his salary slot (plus shamet) to add a player who will almost definitely be more productive over the next 2-3 years when KD is still hopefully KD.

they had very few assets left so beal was the best they could get with their last remaining assets.

With Booker on the roster and starting spot, how does Beal compliment him?

they're both wing players that can get buckets anywhere. I think they'll be fine. They can get a vet min point guard and already have Payne. I would trade Ayton for 2-3 rotation pieces and fill out the roster.

I agree. When you think that, in effect, they have replaced Shamet with Beal, I would not worry.

I'm still not for moving Ayton unless an above average center is part of the trade. The only proposal I've seen that I would jump at has him going to the Pacers for Turner and a rotation player.

[Netaman]

Not sure why adding Beal improves the Suns lol

Point guard less?

KD building another fail project lol

cp3 is 38, Beal is 30. that's the whole deal in a nutshell.

they used his salary slot (plus shamet) to add a player who will almost definitely be more productive over the next 2-3 years when KD is still hopefully KD.

they had very few assets left so beal was the best they could get with their last remaining assets.

With Booker on the roster and starting spot, how does Beal compliment him?

pretty much doesn't, but all 3 can initiate enough. I dont think he's a compliment as much as a redundancy they viewed as necessary since kd and book are both going to likely miss time, and beal can take some of the load off kd and booker (both in games with all 3 and when 1/3 is out) to stay fresher and not get beat up as much.

if cp3 was 35 with 2 or 3 years left i dont think they do this deal, but at 38 i think this was his chance in the playoffs to show he was an asset and he couldn't do it so they cashed him in for the best they could get. and beal is pretty good in terms of on-court for the next 2-3 years that KD is still somewhat KD.

[Tha King]

pretty important week...what are we thinking?

a) keep the picks
b) trade one or both for win now help
c) trade one or both to move up or out (future frp)

[vincecarter4pres]

pretty important week...what are we thinking?

a) keep the picks
b) trade one or both for win now help
c) trade one or both to move up or out (future frp)

Trade up in the draft.

[Netaman]

pretty important week...what are we thinking?

a) keep the picks
b) trade one or both for win now help
c) trade one or both to move up or out (future frp)

Trade up in the draft.

agreed. pretty good article on the athletic from aldridge with some coaches comments on the top guards. whitehead, hood-schifino, the 2 uconn guys, and 2 michigan guys all feel like marks picks to me.

https://theathletic.com/4606733/2023/06/19/nba-draft-confidential-coaches-executives-scouts-on-the-top-guard-prospects-in-2023/

this is a series so tomorrow he'll do wings and then the day after bigs.

[Netaman]

This one is interesting. In 20 games (18 starts) with 30+ mpg Jones averaged basically 16/9 with good shooting numbers and great o/d ratings. I'd probably swap either of Royce/DFS for him if they can't get a better PG some other way (fvv, dame, etc).

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[Marvin Martian]

Tyus Jones is okay. I would prefer someone that is more dynamic. But if we have him, Dinwiddle, and another star along with the continued growth of Bridges, we won't have to worry about playmaking on the team.

[GTR11]

This one is interesting. In 20 games (18 starts) with 30+ mpg Jones averaged basically 16/9 with good shooting numbers and great o/d ratings. I'd probably swap either of Royce/DFS for him if they can't get a better PG some other way (fvv, dame, etc).

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Royce and 22 can fetch us 12th pick.
DFS and 22 still in play for 10.

Eric is everywhere guessing what's on Marks mind



Honestly I'm not a fan of undersized guards with shaky defense due to size. I'd rather see where Casen Wallace will end up ( here I couldn't wait no more because these guys starting to catch up )

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This kid is Tony Allen/Matisse Thybulle with a jumper. Some compare him to Jrue Holliday. Anyway, he can start from day one along with Ben at the guard and be complete disaster for opposing guards. With Maxey and Brunson being in our division, I would love for Marks to go get him. Royce or DFS with that 22 pick for OKC's 12th is out there for us. Rumer is Masai going to pick him at 13 and they did scouted him hard. Also explains why they letting FVV go.

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[TheNetsFan]

This one is interesting. In 20 games (18 starts) with 30+ mpg Jones averaged basically 16/9 with good shooting numbers and great o/d ratings. I'd probably swap either of Royce/DFS for him if they can't get a better PG some other way (fvv, dame, etc).

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Royce and 22 can fetch us 12th pick.
DFS and 22 still in play for 10.

Eric is everywhere guessing what's on Marks mind



Honestly I'm not a fan of undersized guards with shaky defense due to size. I'd rather see where Casen Wallace will end up ( here I couldn't wait no more because these guys starting to catch up )

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This kid is Tony Allen/Matisse Thybulle with a jumper. Some compare him to Jrue Holliday. Anyway, he can start from day one along with Ben at the guard and be complete disaster for opposing guards. With Maxey and Brunson being in our division, I would love for Marks to go get him. Royce or DFS with that 22 pick for OKC's 12th is out there for us. Rumer is Masai going to pick him at 13 and they did scouted him hard. Also explains why they letting FVV go.

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Royce & #22 won't get 12. Maybe it gets #17.

DFS at #21 maybe gets you to #10 if you take back Bertans. Maybe. I would not be opposed to grabbing a couple of Memphis future picks for DFS instead given how aggressive they seem.

Wallace has been my trade up draft crush for a long while. Great skill set & easy to fit into any system, plus Kentucky guards seem to really pan out well.

[vincecarter4pres]

This one is interesting. In 20 games (18 starts) with 30+ mpg Jones averaged basically 16/9 with good shooting numbers and great o/d ratings. I'd probably swap either of Royce/DFS for him if they can't get a better PG some other way (fvv, dame, etc).

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Royce and 22 can fetch us 12th pick.
DFS and 22 still in play for 10.

Eric is everywhere guessing what's on Marks mind



Honestly I'm not a fan of undersized guards with shaky defense due to size. I'd rather see where Casen Wallace will end up ( here I couldn't wait no more because these guys starting to catch up )

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This kid is Tony Allen/Matisse Thybulle with a jumper. Some compare him to Jrue Holliday. Anyway, he can start from day one along with Ben at the guard and be complete disaster for opposing guards. With Maxey and Brunson being in our division, I would love for Marks to go get him. Royce or DFS with that 22 pick for OKC's 12th is out there for us. Rumer is Masai going to pick him at 13 and they did scouted him hard. Also explains why they letting FVV go.

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Royce & #22 won't get 12. Maybe it gets #17.

DFS at #21 maybe gets you to #10 if you take back Bertans. Maybe. I would not be opposed to grabbing a couple of Memphis future picks for DFS instead given how aggressive they seem.

Wallace has been my trade up draft crush for a long while. Great skill set & easy to fit into any system, plus Kentucky guards seem to really pan out well.

I just don’t get how people can watch both these guys play and value DFS over Royce, both on court and in trade.

And I’m not calling you out specifically at all, but it just boggles my mind.

Both are starter level players on a good roster, but mainly awful when on a mediocre to bad team.

But Royce is much more dynamic and the better shooter.

A lot of people share that opinion though.


I just don’t get it.

Also, if even true, I’d do DFS and the 21 for the 10 and Betrans, and Royce and the 22 for say 15.

[GTR11]

Royce and 22 can fetch us 12th pick.
DFS and 22 still in play for 10.

Eric is everywhere guessing what's on Marks mind



Honestly I'm not a fan of undersized guards with shaky defense due to size. I'd rather see where Casen Wallace will end up ( here I couldn't wait no more because these guys starting to catch up )

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This kid is Tony Allen/Matisse Thybulle with a jumper. Some compare him to Jrue Holliday. Anyway, he can start from day one along with Ben at the guard and be complete disaster for opposing guards. With Maxey and Brunson being in our division, I would love for Marks to go get him. Royce or DFS with that 22 pick for OKC's 12th is out there for us. Rumer is Masai going to pick him at 13 and they did scouted him hard. Also explains why they letting FVV go.

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Royce & #22 won't get 12. Maybe it gets #17.

DFS at #21 maybe gets you to #10 if you take back Bertans. Maybe. I would not be opposed to grabbing a couple of Memphis future picks for DFS instead given how aggressive they seem.

Wallace has been my trade up draft crush for a long while. Great skill set & easy to fit into any system, plus Kentucky guards seem to really pan out well.

I just don’t get how people can watch both these guys play and value DFS over Royce, both on court and in trade.

And I’m not calling you out specifically at all, but it just boggles my mind.

Both are starter level players on a good roster, but mainly awful when on a mediocre to bad team.

But Royce is much more dynamic and the better shooter.

A lot of people share that opinion though.


I just don’t get it.

Also, if even true, I’d do DFS and the 21 for the 10 and Betrans, and Royce and the 22 for say 15.

@VC4P - no doubt that Royce is more dynamic player on offense. Him being able to take it to the rim or take couple dribbles and make mid range shot is something DFS won't even attempt. Here's the the thing. You have to take into account that teams value them as a 3&D guys. Some value DFS long cheap contract more, some value expiring Royce contract more. You just have to look at it from their perspective.

@TNF - I don't want to jinx this reporter because he's been money when it comes to Craptors. He called Casen Wallace to Craptors during the season. He won't get past them at 13. He also said Masai tried to see if he can get Whitmore. He ain't said word since last tweet.

[Netaman]

royce vs dfs is close enough it's a flavor thing. fruitpunch or lemon lime.

royce's contract only has 1 year left and he's smaller. but inarguably a more dynamic offensive player (though on good teams both are going to be your worst starter offensively so not sure it matters).

dfs has 3 years of control and he can guard bigger.

id pick royce because he is the better offensive player but i do think dfs is the better defender, and since that's the primary value for both i could see someone preferring him if the need is more to guard bigger guys (plus the 3 years of cost control).

[Netaman]

peter vescey says that isiah thomas is now basically running suns. wow. if true other than wemby not sure if there's anything better that could have happened for nets future picks. cancel the dame deal!!!

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