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Official Trade Thread Part XLV

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1021 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:37 pm

joshuacf wrote:
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AFM wrote:Why don’t you just educate him then instead of just popping in and telling everyone else to double check it? You’re not being helpful at all.


The rules have been in place that make his statement not true for about a half dozen years. At least from my perspective, it is not really a mystery, but I quoted the specific part that wasn't accurate so as to make identifying it obvious
Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade


In case that still isn't clear,
Kuzma cannot get a 5th year in a sign and trade.


Cool dude. Maybe next time, just say he can't get a 5th year straight up, instead of condescendingly telling him to double-check it. You aren't a Middle School teacher helping a kid with a math problem.


That is a great description thanks.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1022 » by joshuacf » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:42 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
The rules have been in place that make his statement not true for about a half dozen years. At least from my perspective, it is not really a mystery, but I quoted the specific part that wasn't accurate so as to make identifying it obvious

In case that still isn't clear,


Cool dude. Maybe next time, just say he can't get a 5th year straight up, instead of condescendingly telling him to double-check it. You aren't a Middle School teacher helping a kid with a math problem.


That is a great description thanks.


Happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1023 » by DCZards » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:44 pm

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DCZards wrote:Yeah…I don’t know where this notion comes from that letting healthy, top players sit (or “pound sand”) if they don’t go along with your program is ever a realistic solution.


I've never understood this logic that GMs have to go along with whatever the players want in order to "avoid pissing off high-profile players".

If Beal had wanted to go to the Nets, and had demanded we trade him for Ben Simmons straight up, should we have accepted that trade?

You should avoid being unnecessarily antagonistic with high-profile players. You also should not cave to literally any demand that a high-profile player makes.

If teams know they don't need to make a deal with us for CP3 because we're just going to cut him if we can't find a deal, then we'll never be able to make a deal.

We should be looking to make a deal to move CP3. We absolutely should not be going into this with the idea that either we make a deal or we cut CP3. That's just terrible business and other teams will find that out and exploit us.


Agreed. And there is precedent for this. Look at how Houston handled the John Wall situation. He told them flat out to trade him, and they said, "Sure, we'll try, but we're not going to take just any deal, and we're not going to give up assets to make it happen." Then they just sat him on the bench. And given John's contract, and the fact that there was no demand for him, that situation lasted an entire season, until a buy-out made sense.

As for CP3, I don't see that the Wizards will waive him without some kind of $$ savings. Maybe a buyout happens, but I don't know how that works with another year left on his deal...

Apples and oranges when comparing the Wall and Chris Paul situations, especially given their very different statuses as both players and off court leaders.

You simply can’t treat/diss CP3 like Wall was treated. It wouldn’t be a good look for a franchise looking to rebuild its talent base and burnish its reputation with players and agents.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1024 » by TGW » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:02 pm

joshuacf wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
Cool dude. Maybe next time, just say he can't get a 5th year straight up, instead of condescendingly telling him to double-check it. You aren't a Middle School teacher helping a kid with a math problem.


That is a great description thanks.


Happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1025 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:45 pm

joshuacf wrote:
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queridiculo wrote:The Wizards don't "have" to spend money.

Accounting for team spending doesn't happen until the end of the season so Washington has all the time in the world to figure out how to spend towards the salary floor.

Washington isn't going to play games and stay in his way if the parameters for a transaction either come out even or are slightly in their favor.

Pissing of high profile players and their representation isn't good business.

Yeah…I don’t know where this notion comes from that letting healthy, top players sit (or “pound sand”) if they don’t go along with your program is ever a realistic solution.


I've never understood this logic that GMs have to go along with whatever the players want in order to "avoid pissing off high-profile players".

If Beal had wanted to go to the Nets, and had demanded we trade him for Ben Simmons straight up, should we have accepted that trade?

You should avoid being unnecessarily antagonistic with high-profile players. You also should not cave to literally any demand that a high-profile player makes.

If teams know they don't need to make a deal with us for CP3 because we're just going to cut him if we can't find a deal, then we'll never be able to make a deal.

We should be looking to make a deal to move CP3. We absolutely should not be going into this with the idea that either we make a deal or we cut CP3. That's just terrible business and other teams will find that out and exploit us.

The entire discussion seems idiotic to me. Why would we cut CP3? He remains one of the best PGs in the league, it'd be fun to have him here for a year, or until the deadline anyway.

If Winger & Dawkins can get a deal for CP3 that they like, they'll trade him. If they feel they *have to* trade him, they'll take the best deal they can get -- though I wonder why they'd think they absolutely had to trade him.

Nor is there any "should" here, to tell the truth. The Wizards aren't going to be rebuilt in a year! Or in 2 years, or even 3. It's going to take time.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1026 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:50 pm

joshuacf wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
Cool dude. Maybe next time, just say he can't get a 5th year straight up, instead of condescendingly telling him to double-check it. You aren't a Middle School teacher helping a kid with a math problem.


That is a great description thanks.


Happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions.

You know what... the longer you're on this board the more opportunities you give me (us) to appreciate how well you think, how civilized & considerate you are, &... a bunch of other stuff that's good!

Well done, joshuacf!! Thanks!
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1027 » by joshuacf » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 pm

payitforward wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
DCZards wrote:Yeah…I don’t know where this notion comes from that letting healthy, top players sit (or “pound sand”) if they don’t go along with your program is ever a realistic solution.


I've never understood this logic that GMs have to go along with whatever the players want in order to "avoid pissing off high-profile players".

If Beal had wanted to go to the Nets, and had demanded we trade him for Ben Simmons straight up, should we have accepted that trade?

You should avoid being unnecessarily antagonistic with high-profile players. You also should not cave to literally any demand that a high-profile player makes.

If teams know they don't need to make a deal with us for CP3 because we're just going to cut him if we can't find a deal, then we'll never be able to make a deal.

We should be looking to make a deal to move CP3. We absolutely should not be going into this with the idea that either we make a deal or we cut CP3. That's just terrible business and other teams will find that out and exploit us.

The entire discussion seems idiotic to me. Why would we cut CP3? He remains one of the best PGs in the league, it'd be fun to have him here for a year, or until the deadline anyway.

If Winger & Dawkins can get a deal for CP3 that they like, they'll trade him. If they feel they *have to* trade him, they'll take the best deal they can get -- though I wonder why they'd think they absolutely had to trade him.

Nor is there any "should" here, to tell the truth. The Wizards aren't going to be rebuilt in a year! Or in 2 years, or even 3. It's going to take time.


Ideally, if we couldn't find a trade, we would keep CP3 for the year. Unfortunately, CP3 likely isn't going to want to spend some of his last years on a team in rebuild mode.

The cut vs. don't cut discussion is assuming CP3 doesn't want to be here (pretty likely, I would think), and that a deal can't be made to move him.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1028 » by WallToWall » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:55 pm

As many expected, Kuzma has hit the open market. We will not get anything back for him.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1029 » by AFM » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:33 pm

Embarrassing we didn't trade him when the entire league thought we should. Just don't resign him, let him be someone else's problem.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1030 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:27 pm

I wonder if some sort of cP3 to Brooklyn trade could happen? He's much better than just about any one they could give up for him. I wonder if getting off Ben Simmons would be enough for them to give up some picks?

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1031 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:47 pm

WallToWall wrote:As many expected, Kuzma has hit the open market. We will not get anything back for him.

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Sorry for the dumb question but I don’t know the mechanics of sign and trade. Now that he’s opted out can we still sign and trade him?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1032 » by tleikheen » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:51 pm

Sorry for the dumb question but I don’t know the mechanics of sign and trade. Now that he’s opted out can we still sign and trade him?


Not a dumb question but Kuz is open for business and will get competing teams vying for his signature .He doesnt need an extra yr that the Wiz can sign him for when he might get twice the amt he got this yr.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1033 » by tleikheen » Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:17 pm

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-offseason/2023/6/18/23765611/kyle-kuzma-is-looking-like-a-possible-free-agent-signing-for-the-jazz-nba-free-agency-2023


Markkanen 7' PF,Kessler 7' C , Kuzma 6'10" SF is a big frontline ,athletic and long and will be fun to watch.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1034 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:03 am

joshuacf wrote:
payitforward wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
I've never understood this logic that GMs have to go along with whatever the players want in order to "avoid pissing off high-profile players".

If Beal had wanted to go to the Nets, and had demanded we trade him for Ben Simmons straight up, should we have accepted that trade?

You should avoid being unnecessarily antagonistic with high-profile players. You also should not cave to literally any demand that a high-profile player makes.

If teams know they don't need to make a deal with us for CP3 because we're just going to cut him if we can't find a deal, then we'll never be able to make a deal.

We should be looking to make a deal to move CP3. We absolutely should not be going into this with the idea that either we make a deal or we cut CP3. That's just terrible business and other teams will find that out and exploit us.

The entire discussion seems idiotic to me. Why would we cut CP3? He remains one of the best PGs in the league, it'd be fun to have him here for a year, or until the deadline anyway.

If Winger & Dawkins can get a deal for CP3 that they like, they'll trade him. If they feel they *have to* trade him, they'll take the best deal they can get -- though I wonder why they'd think they absolutely had to trade him.

Nor is there any "should" here, to tell the truth. The Wizards aren't going to be rebuilt in a year! Or in 2 years, or even 3. It's going to take time.


Ideally, if we couldn't find a trade, we would keep CP3 for the year. Unfortunately, CP3 likely isn't going to want to spend some of his last years on a team in rebuild mode.

The cut vs. don't cut discussion is assuming CP3 doesn't want to be here (pretty likely, I would think), and that a deal can't be made to move him.

This guy is a professional. Top drawer. He isn't going to make trouble. Above all, if he sees he's being written off, look for him to come out smoking!

If there's not a solid deal for him in the off season, he'll play his axx off for us -- & there will be a deal at the deadline.

OTOH, as I've already written, watch Phoenix get worse instead of better this season! I'm going to enjoy that!
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1035 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:17 am

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WallToWall wrote:As many expected, Kuzma has hit the open market. We will not get anything back for him.

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Sorry for the dumb question but I don’t know the mechanics of sign and trade. Now that he’s opted out can we still sign and trade him?
Only if a team over the cap who can't clear the money to sign him. The. Yes we might be in. Situation to sign and trade him but those are tricky because they hard cap both teams. That doesn't matter for us now. But it does to some teams.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1036 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:19 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1037 » by PaulinVA » Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:21 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1038 » by TGW » Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:25 am

Colin Sexton sucks.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1039 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:54 am

Agreed....
I hope that's just speculation. Because we just traded a 2 guard....
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1040 » by joshuacf » Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:16 am

I actually like a Sexton trade. He's only 24, not hugely expensive, and can play PG.

This is a guy who averaged 24 ppg on 57% TS two seasons ago. I know he had the meniscus injury, but there's a chance he can recover from that and get back to his old form.

This is an upside play, which is exactly what we should be looking for.

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