2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

basketballRob · Post #1721 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:18 pm

I think Black is a winning player. I believe he'll do whatever it takes to help the team. He's even stated before how ugly it was for athletes to be all about the money.

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Post #1722 » by **Knightro** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:18 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Who do you take between AB and Ausar?

I would take Black because I think he can play PG full time.

I would take Amen over Ausar as well for the same reason. It feels like it's a bit easier to mitigate a lack of 3PT shooting when you're on the ball than when you're off the ball.

When you're off the ball and you can't shoot, you just get ignored and then it's 4 on 5.

No matter how bad of a shooter you are, you at least have to be defended when you have a live dribble. And guys like Giannis and Morant and others have figured out how to attack sagging defenders and get to the rim anyway.

Ideally that's what you'd be getting from Amen.

thelead · Post #1723 » by **thelead** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:19 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I don't think there's a chance he goes 5 with Detroit already having Cade and Ivey from the last two drafts.

I could maybe see Black at 4, but the Rockets seem to like Amen a lot.

If he goes 4, the Magic would probably just pick Amen at 6, right?

If Amen is available at 6, I guess you have to take him and hope for the best.

nope no way i'm seeing what I can get to move back. That dude has 3 hitches in his shot and it starts at his waist, there's no fixing that uglyness.

I know dude... I'm trying to be positive here :lol:

Rainwater · Post #1724 » by **Rainwater** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:19 pm

If the rumors are true the draft starts at 5 as it seems like the top 4 is set with Wemby, Miller, Scoot, and Amen going in that order.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1725 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:20 pm

thelead wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
thelead wrote:If Amen is available at 6, I guess you have to take him and hope for the best.

nope no way i'm seeing what I can get to move back. That dude has 3 hitches in his shot and it starts at his waist, there's no fixing that uglyness.

I know dude... I'm trying to be positive here

oh I know, don't think it'll happen but who knows.

thelead · Post #1726 » by **thelead** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:27 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
thelead wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:nope no way i'm seeing what I can get to move back. That dude has 3 hitches in his shot and it starts at his waist, there's no fixing that uglyness.

I know dude... I'm trying to be positive here

oh I know, don't think it'll happen but who knows.

If I'm being honest, I'd likely just go with Hendricks if AB is off the board. I'm a big believer in Franz and Paolo so I'm good with going a bit safer than most.

Post #1727 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:31 pm

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nymets1 · Post #1728 » by **nymets1** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:43 pm

Ausar Thompson and Gradey Dick would be a great draft but it also makes sense to take 1 guard and 1 BIG. I would be really excited though if they draft UCF boy Taylor Hendricks, I would cry happiness and be really excited.

Ausar and Gradey would be a great draft BUT SO WOULD:
Taylor Hendricks and Gradey
Ausar and Derrick Lively

jonbob17 · Post #1729 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:08 pm

Looks like Kevin Pelton's projects off WAR + Consensensus(espn draft board) and averages the two out now...wondering if Sengun at #1 may have changed his calculus.

WARP ONLY detailed below

jonbob17 · Post #1730 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:10 pm

Pelton WARP ONLY wins above replacement
RANK PLAYER
1 Cam Whitmore
2 Brandin Podziemski
3 Cason Wallace
4 Victor Wembanyama
5 Brandon Miller
6 Dariq Whitehead
7 Brice Sensabaugh
8 Taylor Hendricks
9 Gradey Dick
10 Dereck Lively II
11 Keyonte George
12 Jett Howard
13 Leonard Miller
14 Jarace Walker
15 Colby Jones
16 Jordan Hawkins
17 Jordan Walsh
18 Anthony Black
19 Nick Smith Jr.
20 Marcus Sasser
21 Terquavion Smith
22 Jalen Slawson
23 Enzo Shahrvin
24 Kris Murray
25 Noah Clowney
26 Jaylen Clark
27 Marcus Bagley
28 Jaime Jaquez Jr.
29 Justin Powell
30 Julian Phillips
31 Darius McGhee
32 Kobe Bufkin
33 Scoot Henderson
34 Julian Strawther
35 Adam Flagler
36 Malachi Smith
37 D'Moi Hodge
38 Emoni Bates
39 Markquis Nowell
40 Oscar Tshiebwe
41 Matthew Mayer
42 Sidy Cissoko
43 Hunter Tyson
44 Maxwell Lewis
45 Rayan Rupert
46 Ben Sheppard
47 Amari Bailey
48 Drew Timme
49 Bilal Coulibaly
50 Alex Fudge

Post #1731 » by **Knightro** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:13 pm

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OrlChamps2030 · Post #1732 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:19 pm

jonbob17 wrote:Pelton WARP ONLY wins above replacement
RANK PLAYER
1 Cam Whitmore
2 Brandin Podziemski
3 Cason Wallace
4 Victor Wembanyama
5 Brandon Miller
6 Dariq Whitehead
7 Brice Sensabaugh
8 Taylor Hendricks
9 Gradey Dick
10 Dereck Lively II
11 Keyonte George
12 Jett Howard
13 Leonard Miller
14 Jarace Walker
15 Colby Jones
16 Jordan Hawkins
17 Jordan Walsh
18 Anthony Black
19 Nick Smith Jr.
20 Marcus Sasser
21 Terquavion Smith
22 Jalen Slawson
23 Enzo Shahrvin
24 Kris Murray
25 Noah Clowney
26 Jaylen Clark
27 Marcus Bagley
28 Jaime Jaquez Jr.
29 Justin Powell
30 Julian Phillips
31 Darius McGhee
32 Kobe Bufkin
33 Scoot Henderson
34 Julian Strawther
35 Adam Flagler
36 Malachi Smith
37 D'Moi Hodge
38 Emoni Bates
39 Markquis Nowell
40 Oscar Tshiebwe
41 Matthew Mayer
42 Sidy Cissoko
43 Hunter Tyson
44 Maxwell Lewis
45 Rayan Rupert
46 Ben Sheppard
47 Amari Bailey
48 Drew Timme
49 Bilal Coulibaly
50 Alex Fudge

Cam @ 6 and Wallace @ 11 would be a great draft for me

Nyce_1 · Post #1733 » by **Nyce_1** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:22 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:That's my guy and I have a feeling he's going 4 or 5 now.

I don't think there's a chance he goes 5 with Detroit already having Cade and Ivey from the last two drafts.

I could maybe see Black at 4, but the Rockets seem to like Amen a lot.

If he goes 4, the Magic would probably just pick Amen at 6, right?

With rumors of Utah trying to trade up to 5, it is possible he goes 5th if a deal gets done.

I like the player, I question the fit. I will die of laughter if we take him + pass on Gradey at 11. The tears...

dsg2021 · Post #1734 » by **dsg2021** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:30 pm

Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?

Post #1735 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:31 pm

dsg2021 wrote:Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?

My question as well

Tarheel · Post #1736 » by **Tarheel** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:34 pm

I think it will be Whitmore/Hendricks at 6 and Dick at 11, if they are available and barring any trades.

Post #1737 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:36 pm

I think Keyonte switched agents to set the ultimate smoke screen and Orlando drafts him.

Heard it here first.

Nyce_1 · Post #1738 » by **Nyce_1** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:37 pm

My prediction of what I think will happen (not what i want to happen):

4. Amen
5. Jarace
6. Black/Ausar
7. Ausar/Hendricks
8. Bufkin/Black
9. Cam/Coulibaly
10. Hendricks/Lively
11. Coulibaly/Lively/Hendricks

basketballRob · Post #1739 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:38 pm

dsg2021 wrote:Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?

Yes, in my opinion, he has very good lateral quickness to keep SGs in front of him.

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jonbob17 · Post #1740 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:39 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
Cam @ 6 and Wallace @ 11 would be a great draft for me

I am not a huge Cam fan, but I do think he will be a 20+ ppg score in the league, and play good man defense. It's hard to argue against that, an my only argument is for a more of all around team player.

IF we could trade back into the first, with pick 36 and a future pick, could end up with 1,2,3 in projected WARP. Cam, Podziemski, and Wallace.