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Post#1181 » by nikster » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:54 pm

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FluLikeSymptoms wrote:His parents teaching him how to run properly since he was small was so smart, he’s giving himself his best shot at being durable. Steve Nash is huge proponent of this idea, or he was anyway, and Steph re-teaching himself how to run in his 20s to relieve some type of stress overload he was putting on his ankles changed the course of his career. Every kid should be taught how to walk and run, if each step is a rep then people are doing thousands of reps in poor form every day. Not going to end well. Zion needs to learn how to walk/run asap.


Tony Parker, I think, also learned to run on the Spurs.

Actually, most kids have flawless running form. So, it's technically relearning that's needed, rather than learning.

PS For anyone interested in changing their own form, I highly recommend the book Chi Running.

thanks for the recommendation, I will have to check it out
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Post#1182 » by Bornstellar » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:18 pm

Wigginstime wrote:Victor is certainly an exciting prospect.

What we have seen in the past is that skinny giants don't last in the NBA if you play them at power forward or center and try and force them into situations where they have to bang with guys like Jokic, Embiid, & Giannis. What makes Wemba special is he has the skill set to take on a Kevin Durant position and i think he can stay healthy if he plays this style of basketball.


Curious, what skinny giants in the (recent) past didn't work out because they had to bang against two of the only post players in the league? (Not sure why Giannis is in there, he's not really a banger)

I think the whole banging thing is overstated. There are barely any guys that are physical in the post in 2023. Embiid prefers to flop around on the perimeter and doesn't even play in our conference. Jokic is obviously an immaculate post player but he isn't super physical per se, he just has incredible footwork. The only other "big bangers" I can think of are marginal players like Val, Nurk, and Adams. My point is, I am not worried one bit about Wemby banging against the 3-4 actual physical post players who are still in the league. I expect Spurs to start Zach Collins next to him anyway who will likely defend the few Cs that do bang, and play Wemby at PF
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Post#1183 » by DwayneSchintzus » Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:11 pm

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Wigginstime wrote:Victor is certainly an exciting prospect.

What we have seen in the past is that skinny giants don't last in the NBA if you play them at power forward or center and try and force them into situations where they have to bang with guys like Jokic, Embiid, & Giannis. What makes Wemba special is he has the skill set to take on a Kevin Durant position and i think he can stay healthy if he plays this style of basketball.


Curious, what skinny giants in the (recent) past didn't work out because they had to bang against two of the only post players in the league? (Not sure why Giannis is in there, he's not really a banger)

I think the whole banging thing is overstated. There are barely any guys that are physical in the post in 2023. Embiid prefers to flop around on the perimeter and doesn't even play in our conference. Jokic is obviously an immaculate post player but he isn't super physical per se, he just has incredible footwork. The only other "big bangers" I can think of are marginal players like Val, Nurk, and Adams. My point is, I am not worried one bit about Wemby banging against the 3-4 actual physical post players who are still in the league. I expect Spurs to start Zach Collins next to him anyway who will likely defend the few Cs that do bang, and play Wemby at PF


While his body is still developing it will help to have an older Center to protect him from the pounding, but you're right no one really plays that way anymore. David gave Tim time to add weight and strength and after a couple years he could guard Shaq as well as anyone else.

I think Zach Collins can handle some of that but my dream scenario would be Draymond (I know, I know :lol: )
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Post#1184 » by ChartFiction » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:04 pm

Watched some videos of him talking and I see face of the league potential in him. Likable, well spoken, and no heavy accent so there is clear communication. Enough charisma for a marketable persona. The marketing and mainstream drama that will constantly surround him will add enough suspense and intrigue.

If he can live up to the hype, the league will have someone for the post-LeBron era.
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Post#1185 » by Wigginstime » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:49 pm

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Wigginstime wrote:Victor is certainly an exciting prospect.

What we have seen in the past is that skinny giants don't last in the NBA if you play them at power forward or center and try and force them into situations where they have to bang with guys like Jokic, Embiid, & Giannis. What makes Wemba special is he has the skill set to take on a Kevin Durant position and i think he can stay healthy if he plays this style of basketball.


Curious, what skinny giants in the (recent) past didn't work out because they had to bang against two of the only post players in the league? (Not sure why Giannis is in there, he's not really a banger)

I think the whole banging thing is overstated. There are barely any guys that are physical in the post in 2023. Embiid prefers to flop around on the perimeter and doesn't even play in our conference. Jokic is obviously an immaculate post player but he isn't super physical per se, he just has incredible footwork. The only other "big bangers" I can think of are marginal players like Val, Nurk, and Adams. My point is, I am not worried one bit about Wemby banging against the 3-4 actual physical post players who are still in the league. I expect Spurs to start Zach Collins next to him anyway who will likely defend the few Cs that do bang, and play Wemby at PF


While his body is still developing it will help to have an older Center to protect him from the pounding, but you're right no one really plays that way anymore. David gave Tim time to add weight and strength and after a couple years he could guard Shaq as well as anyone else.

I think Zach Collins can handle some of that but my dream scenario would be Draymond (I know, I know :lol: )


Off the top of my head i can think of 4 players who were +7'2" and weighed less than 240
Chet Holmgren
Ralph Sampson
Manute Bol
Bol Bol
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Post#1186 » by Bornstellar » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:56 pm

According to a source associated with Metropolitans 92, Wembanyama’s French team, the 7-foot-5 center recently had a meeting with the Spurs to discuss his vision for how he wants his first year in the NBA to play out. The most notable request from Wembanyama was that he wants to play in every possible game. The source told me the Spurs responded by telling Wembanyama that the franchise agrees with his vision and will do everything they can to make that happen.


Shortly after San Antonio won the lottery, I wrote that I thought the Spurs should use his rookie season to slowly but surely build his endurance. I envisioned the Spurs sitting Wembanyama in back-to-back situations when it made sense to try to keep him healthy. However, it sounds like Wembanyama isn’t interested in a slow approach.

The source explained that Wembanyama was very proud of the fact he didn’t miss a game this season. If he wants to keep his ironman streak alive in his rookie season, it sounds like the Spurs won’t get in his way.


https://www.spurstalk.com/latest-intel-victor-wembanyama-spurs-draft/

Apparently Wemby has no plans to be on a load management schedule
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Post#1187 » by UcanUwill » Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:05 pm

Wigginstime wrote:
DwayneSchintzus wrote:
Bornstellar wrote:
Curious, what skinny giants in the (recent) past didn't work out because they had to bang against two of the only post players in the league? (Not sure why Giannis is in there, he's not really a banger)

I think the whole banging thing is overstated. There are barely any guys that are physical in the post in 2023. Embiid prefers to flop around on the perimeter and doesn't even play in our conference. Jokic is obviously an immaculate post player but he isn't super physical per se, he just has incredible footwork. The only other "big bangers" I can think of are marginal players like Val, Nurk, and Adams. My point is, I am not worried one bit about Wemby banging against the 3-4 actual physical post players who are still in the league. I expect Spurs to start Zach Collins next to him anyway who will likely defend the few Cs that do bang, and play Wemby at PF


While his body is still developing it will help to have an older Center to protect him from the pounding, but you're right no one really plays that way anymore. David gave Tim time to add weight and strength and after a couple years he could guard Shaq as well as anyone else.

I think Zach Collins can handle some of that but my dream scenario would be Draymond (I know, I know :lol: )


Off the top of my head i can think of 4 players who were +7'2" and weighed less than 240
Chet Holmgren
Ralph Sampson
Manute Bol
Bol Bol


People who think Wemby will be ponded, I dont think you guys watched him play defense. He obviously didnt face players caliber of Valanciunas, Embiid, Jokic, Nurkic yet, but lots of big dudes try to post him up, and even when they get ideal post position, you still need to find a shot over the guy who is 7'5 with 8' wingspan and who knows exactly what hes doing. You either owerpower him completely and put him on the floor, which in todays NBA will probably be foul anway, or you are probably getting stuffed, I am sorry. Posting this guy up is not smart idea, trust me.
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Post#1188 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:57 pm

UcanUwill wrote:People who think Wemby will be ponded, I dont think you guys watched him play defense. He obviously didnt face players caliber of Valanciunas, Embiid, Jokic, Nurkic yet, but lots of big dudes try to post him up, and even when they get ideal post position, you still need to find a shot over the guy who is 7'5 with 8' wingspan and who knows exactly what hes doing. You either owerpower him completely and put him on the floor, which in todays NBA will probably be foul anway, or you are probably getting stuffed, I am sorry. Posting this guy up is not smart idea, trust me.


In NBA history, only Shaq was ever allowed to play that way by the refs. It was special treatment just for him. They never let other centers get away with it. Shaq was doing it all the time, and for comparison, as soon as Yao tried to do it, he would instantly get whistled for an offensive foul.
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Post#1189 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:09 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:It doesn't matter what he did in Europe, because the people who make the draft decisions don't understand Europe anyway, hence Luka didn't go #1 even though he was the most obvious #1 since Lebron.
Wemby's team came to America for exhibition games to show off their prospect, Luka's team didn't, that's what made the difference and none of it matters anyway. What matters is how much butt he can kick in the future, and in that regard he is in the same tier as Luka.


If we go by age 16, age 17, age 18, and age 19 performance (so far at least for age 19), all things considered, Luka was clearly the better player at all of those ages. However, if we go by the obvious talent level at said time, then at age 19, Wemby is above Luka.

And yeah, the NBA draft process and evaluation of players in Europe is absolutely ridiculous and it's basically childlike. Wemby played as a solid role player in EuroLeague at age 18, and he was being viewed as an "interesting prospect". Wemby plays as probably like one of the three best players in the top level French League (Nando De Colo and Mike James James would still be better players in EuroLeague), at age 19, and honestly, the NBA isn't even really interested in that at all - it's focus is mainly in the background and secondary to a couple of G-League games.

Which leads to, on the other hand, Wemby plays two games against the G-League, and the NBA goes wild, and also so does US sports media. Wemby was barely even discussed or mentioned in US sports media before those G-League games, and then all of a sudden, after just two G-League games, he's the most talked about and hyped prospect probably ever, or maybe at least since Kareem. All from playing two games against a G-League team that would lose every game in EuroLeague if it played there, going 0-34, and getting blown out probably in every single game.

That combined with Luka going 3rd in the draft is all the proof we need that the NBA is incredibly incompetent and totally ignorant when it comes to anything at all related to European basketball. They have absolutely no clue about it whatsoever.

And the US sports media is even worse. US sports media covers European basketball like it's something taking place on another planet. It's actually totally bizarre how they can't even get the most basic concepts and facts about it right. Like how for many years we heard at the NBA draft, at every single draft, how they thought the EuroLeague was the same exact league as the Spanish League and vice versa, and how they couldn't understand that the EuroLeague was a separate competition, and that it was a clearly better and higher level than the Spanish League. They couldn't even get that right for years and years and years, and then finally, just in like the last couple drafts, someone at the network (maybe an ex player from Europe) must have told them to stop saying that stuff, because of how absurd, clownish, and childish it made them look in Europe.

Or how in NBA games the announcers will often talk about how almost every single player that came from Europe was the EuroLeague MVP, including guys that never won EuroLeague MVP, and even including guys that never even played in EuroLeague. If you go by what is said in NBA games, then there must have been like 150 different players win EuroLeague MVP. Or how they are almost always claiming that every single draft pick from Europe "dominated" in Europe or "EuroLeague". They will make such claims for draft picks that were average role players in junior level high school and college age competitions, or in 3rd tier, 4th tier, or even lower level club competitions in Europe. Or maybe the best one of all, that is so very commonly claimed, the whole "NCAA players or G-League players that weren't good enough to make the NBA, go to EuroLeague and totally dominate." When the reality is, that no such player ever even existed - an American player from the NCAA/G-League that couldn't make an NBA roster if they really wanted to, and that "totally dominated EuroLeague". There are a grand total of zero such examples in history of that ever actually happening. Some of the stuff is just bizarre and like a parody.
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Post#1190 » by BAMAFREAK » Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:13 am

UcanUwill wrote:
Wigginstime wrote:
DwayneSchintzus wrote:
While his body is still developing it will help to have an older Center to protect him from the pounding, but you're right no one really plays that way anymore. David gave Tim time to add weight and strength and after a couple years he could guard Shaq as well as anyone else.

I think Zach Collins can handle some of that but my dream scenario would be Draymond (I know, I know :lol: )


Off the top of my head i can think of 4 players who were +7'2" and weighed less than 240
Chet Holmgren
Ralph Sampson
Manute Bol
Bol Bol


People who think Wemby will be ponded, I dont think you guys watched him play defense. He obviously didnt face players caliber of Valanciunas, Embiid, Jokic, Nurkic yet, but lots of big dudes try to post him up, and even when they get ideal post position, you still need to find a shot over the guy who is 7'5 with 8' wingspan and who knows exactly what hes doing. You either owerpower him completely and put him on the floor, which in todays NBA will probably be foul anway, or you are probably getting stuffed, I am sorry. Posting this guy up is not smart idea, trust me.



Outside of Jokic, Embid and maybe Val’s post game, his worst matchup will be a ball of muscle and aggression like Zion. The few guys who play like that can get him off balance like Lofton did. It’s not a sustainable offense though so he will be fine there.

This kids going to be great but it’s going to take a few years for him to get comfortable offensively.
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Post#1191 » by knicksfan974 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:18 am

It was great to see Wemby with all the hype and media surrounding him in NYC. Maybe one day he will remember all that when he requests a trade to a bigger market (Knicks I hope)! 8-)
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Post#1192 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:29 pm

ChartFiction wrote:Watched some videos of him talking and I see face of the league potential in him. Likable, well spoken, and no heavy accent so there is clear communication. Enough charisma for a marketable persona. The marketing and mainstream drama that will constantly surround him will add enough suspense and intrigue.

If he can live up to the hype, the league will have someone for the post-LeBron era.


Apparently he decided at age like 10 or 12 or something that he was going to be an NBA player, so he started learning American English so he could master it by the time he was ready to get drafted.
Really a special kid in more ways than just basketball.
Looks like Spurs got crazy lucky here.
"I'd rather have Kevin Love spacing out to the three point line than anything (Karl) Malone brings"
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Post#1193 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:32 pm

donkki wrote:It was great to see Wemby with all the hype and media surrounding him in NYC. Maybe one day he will remember all that when he requests a trade to a bigger market (Knicks I hope)! 8-)


Keep dreaming, buddy!
The whole world outside the US is Wemby's market, and the Spurs organization is the perfect dais for him to stand on to market himself.
Plus the taxes are way lower for him in Texas :naaa:
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Post#1194 » by durden_tyler » Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:40 pm

Bornstellar wrote:
According to a source associated with Metropolitans 92, Wembanyama’s French team, the 7-foot-5 center recently had a meeting with the Spurs to discuss his vision for how he wants his first year in the NBA to play out. The most notable request from Wembanyama was that he wants to play in every possible game. The source told me the Spurs responded by telling Wembanyama that the franchise agrees with his vision and will do everything they can to make that happen.


Shortly after San Antonio won the lottery, I wrote that I thought the Spurs should use his rookie season to slowly but surely build his endurance. I envisioned the Spurs sitting Wembanyama in back-to-back situations when it made sense to try to keep him healthy. However, it sounds like Wembanyama isn’t interested in a slow approach.

The source explained that Wembanyama was very proud of the fact he didn’t miss a game this season. If he wants to keep his ironman streak alive in his rookie season, it sounds like the Spurs won’t get in his way.


https://www.spurstalk.com/latest-intel-victor-wembanyama-spurs-draft/

Apparently Wemby has no plans to be on a load management schedule

This is Pop we’re talking about though. If indeed no load management is true, this is big news for all of our Fantasy Leagues. LOL
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Post#1195 » by Exp0sed » Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:26 pm

Wigginstime wrote:Victor is certainly an exciting prospect.

What we have seen in the past is that skinny giants don't last in the NBA if you play them at power forward or center and try and force them into situations where they have to bang with guys like Jokic, Embiid, & Giannis. What makes Wemba special is he has the skill set to take on a Kevin Durant position and i think he can stay healthy if he plays this style of basketball.


watching him play all season long and listening to his interview with Redick, I think that part is very clear, he says so himself very plainly: this is the type of player that he is. this isn't some strategy to avoid injury, this guy is a real unicorn, he's 7'4 but he modeled his game from a young age after the "KD style" of basketball

this is who he is, even if he was selected by some poor franchise who would have tried to change that - it wouldn't have worked - this is his natural basketbet ball nature

so I think he can def stay healthy in this style of play. he already has :)
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Post#1196 » by DatAsh » Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:36 pm

Exp0sed wrote:
Wigginstime wrote:Victor is certainly an exciting prospect.

What we have seen in the past is that skinny giants don't last in the NBA if you play them at power forward or center and try and force them into situations where they have to bang with guys like Jokic, Embiid, & Giannis. What makes Wemba special is he has the skill set to take on a Kevin Durant position and i think he can stay healthy if he plays this style of basketball.


watching him play all season long and listening to his interview with Redick, I think that part is very clear, he says so himself very plainly: this is the type of player that he is. this isn't some strategy to avoid injury, this guy is a real unicorn, he's 7'4 but he modeled his game from a young age after the "KD style" of basketball

this is who he is, even if he was selected by some poor franchise who would have tried to change that - it wouldn't have worked - this is his natural basketbet ball nature

so I think he can def stay healthy in this style of play. he already has :)


The problem is, he's nowhere near the shooter that KD is. Maybe that can develop, but I'm skeptical.
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Post#1197 » by Exp0sed » Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:58 pm

DatAsh wrote:
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Wigginstime wrote:Victor is certainly an exciting prospect.

What we have seen in the past is that skinny giants don't last in the NBA if you play them at power forward or center and try and force them into situations where they have to bang with guys like Jokic, Embiid, & Giannis. What makes Wemba special is he has the skill set to take on a Kevin Durant position and i think he can stay healthy if he plays this style of basketball.




The problem is, he's nowhere near the shooter that KD is. Maybe that can develop, but I'm skeptical.


it's not a problem - he will never be the offensive player KD is and that's just fine
I was merely remarking on his style of play as it relates to his improved chances of staying healthy

not as a way to say he can be as effective as KD on O, not in the least

most 7'4 guys who are the stats of the terrible precedent for guys that size didn't play this way and they certainly didn't move like this

his fluidity makes me think he's got a good chance of making it
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Post#1198 » by Slim Charlez » Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:59 pm

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Post#1199 » by jman3134 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:11 am

Wemby is him!
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Post#1200 » by Wammy Giveaway » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:28 am

Spurs never miss on their picks. Wembanyama is more than just a generation talent, he's Duncan 2.0. Plays for the good of the sport and the community. Will not be corrupted by distractions, temptations or scandals. A Good Samaritan all the way.

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