2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[BlueBlazer]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37873455/2023-nba-mock-draft-latest-predictions-all-58-picks

Givony just updated the mock:

Black at #6, Dick at #11. Talks about #11 being available for trade.

Trading #11 is fine with me if we can package it with Harris/Cole for someone like Vassell. If we punt on 11 for a protected pick in ‘24 or ‘25 while simultaneously helping another team get their guy I’m going to be upset.

[Knightro]

Can someone explain the measurements? Basketball is played with shoes so why would I care about a barefoot measurement? Jarace Walker is being listed as 6'8 on most list. His combine was 6'6. Did they not measure him with shoes?

Everyone measures barefoot at the combine to ensure that no one is wearing extra tall shoes or lifts or any other shenanigans. It’s happened before.

As a general rule of thumb…

Take whatever players height is barefoot, then add 1 inch to account for shoes. Then if they’re 0.5 inches or more above the nearest inch, round up.

So a 6’5.75” barefoot player (like Whitmore) would likely be listed at 6’7” in the pros.

[Rick Rolled]

I’m feeling as uninspired by the potential Anthony Black pick as I felt about the Franz pick. I watched hours and hours of full game videos and feel absolutely zero excitement every time I watch him play.

I look forward to being wrong again if we pick him.

[The Effect]

man as much as i like the idea of ausar and gradey\bufkin\hawkins........I really hope we find a way to trade 6/11/den and a non-core player for Scoot. Really feel like hes the guy we need to complete this team

[Knightro]

He's also a poor defender with slow feet.

Most people would pretty strongly disagree with this point.

[tiderulz]

Can someone explain the measurements? Basketball is played with shoes so why would I care about a barefoot measurement? Jarace Walker is being listed as 6'8 on most list. His combine was 6'6. Did they not measure him with shoes?

ive said it any times here, i count the height with shoes because they dont play barefoot. You and me seem to be in the minority.

[tiderulz]

Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?

You are what you can defend. Cam can be our starting 2 guard easily but, is also a 3. Jimmy Butler is 6'7, 230, 6'8 wingspan. Cam is 6'7, 232, 6.85 wingspan. Basically identical body types. I don't like him as a 4 that much, but I wouldn't be shy to put him on a bully like Draymond or PJ Tucker if I had to. As our 2, he would be hard to defend because he's built like a tank and can just run through guys or spot up and shoot. He's the one of the few 2 way players in the draft. Has elite hops and high BBIQ. The Magic choir boys need a guy who can add toughness to our team and he would help alter our team's identity. Shades of Jimmy Butler/Dillon Brooks without the silliness.

My only drawback with him is that I wouldn't consider him a prolifict shooter, and that's what we need. But if we can get a young Jimmy Buckets in Whitmore, SIGN ME THE HELL UP. He's my #1 guy for #6. He still oozes upside.

Luka cant defend PG's or most SG's, but in Dallas, he is the PG. I dont buy into the "you are who you defend", if you have other defenders that can defend multiple positions. they all get switched up with the PNR's anyways. How many times did we see Gabe on AG. teams will hide their worst defender on the opponents worse offensive player.

[Nyce_1]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37873455/2023-nba-mock-draft-latest-predictions-all-58-picks

Givony just updated the mock:

Black at #6, Dick at #11. Talks about #11 being available for trade.

"available to trade for a veteran wing shooter"

I wonder who are some options? It's so hard to know what the 11th pick is worth

Hield, Herro, Kispert, Heurter, Duncan Robinson are shooters I'd welcome.

[Skin]

Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?

You are what you can defend. Cam can be our starting 2 guard easily but, is also a 3. Jimmy Butler is 6'7, 230, 6'8 wingspan. Cam is 6'7, 232, 6.85 wingspan. Basically identical body types. I don't like him as a 4 that much, but I wouldn't be shy to put him on a bully like Draymond or PJ Tucker if I had to. As our 2, he would be hard to defend because he's built like a tank and can just run through guys or spot up and shoot. He's the one of the few 2 way players in the draft. Has elite hops and high BBIQ. The Magic choir boys need a guy who can add toughness to our team and he would help alter our team's identity. Shades of Jimmy Butler/Dillon Brooks without the silliness.

My only drawback with him is that I wouldn't consider him a prolifict shooter, and that's what we need. But if we can get a young Jimmy Buckets in Whitmore, SIGN ME THE HELL UP. He's my #1 guy for #6. He still oozes upside.

Luka cant defend PG's or most SG's, but in Dallas, he is the PG. I dont buy into the "you are who you defend", if you have other defenders that can defend multiple positions. they all get switched up with the PNR's anyways. How many times did we see Gabe on AG. teams will hide their worst defender on the opponents worse offensive player.

It's a saying that is merely a useful guide, not a law.

[Skin]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37873455/2023-nba-mock-draft-latest-predictions-all-58-picks

Givony just updated the mock:

Black at #6, Dick at #11. Talks about #11 being available for trade.

He just wants to say the Magic added Black Dick to their team.

[jonbob17]

Can someone explain the measurements? Basketball is played with shoes so why would I care about a barefoot measurement? Jarace Walker is being listed as 6'8 on most list. His combine was 6'6. Did they not measure him with shoes?

It’s so teams/fans can compare apples to apples. You think guys would change their shoes if they only measured in shoes?
When the combine measured in shoes I have seen the difference between shoes and with out shoes adding anywhere from .75 to 2”.

[Rainwater]

If Amen is available at 6, I guess you have to take him and hope for the best.

nope no way i'm seeing what I can get to move back. That dude has 3 hitches in his shot and it starts at his waist, there's no fixing that uglyness.

Agreed. Im predicting he's going to fall and be there at 6. And we should pass as well. Or trade down if there's interest.

I doubt he goes past 4. He does everything but shoot. That is enough of an allure to draft him despite his inability to shoot.

[Audi]

Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?

[Knightro]

Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?

Call it in!

[yoyojw17]

Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?

Call it in!

YUP! I'm for it! See if the #33 can be put in play too! lol

Suggs can soak up all the other guard minutes.... technically still be a starter at that point.

I also remember spurs wanted a PG... and Cole wants to be a starter. soooo.... lol

He will continue to flourish under pops though. I would also officially have the Spurs as a team that i follow.

[VFX]

Ready for the Suggs Black Dick lineup.

[The-Stallion70]

In the NBA today every guy on the court has to be able to shoot. We are in an era of record high offensive efficiency that is fueled by the fact that the players' shooting abilities are better than ever before.

Now I believe we are seeing more value in guys who great at cutting abd attacking the openings in these spread out defenses, something that AG excelled at and why I could still see Ausar being the pick.

[Ralof]

Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?

abslutely and totally yes.
the guy is big but also has super quick feet.

i mean,we really talk about Dick against guards,that would be a total disastre,Cam would be a no-brainer in that sense,tools are there.

clearly you have to understand if the game is not too fast for him to process on D,but indeed that could happens against guards,forwards,ecc.,not a positional problem,in case.

[VFX]

In the NBA today every guy on the court has to be able to shoot. We are in an era of record high offensive efficiency that is fueled by the fact that the players' shooting abilities are better than ever before.

Now I believe we are seeing more value in guys who great at cutting abd attacking the openings in these spread out defenses, something that AG excelled at and why I could still see Ausar being the pick.

This only makes sense if your team is comprised of shooters already.

AG makes sense next to Jokic and 3 other + shooters.

Neither AG or Ausar make sense on Orlando's roster with limited floor spacing already. Both guards need to be + defenders AND + shooters next to two playmaking Forwards. Not one or the other.

[Ralof]

That's my guy and I have a feeling he's going 4 or 5 now.

I don't think there's a chance he goes 5 with Detroit already having Cade and Ivey from the last two drafts.

I could maybe see Black at 4, but the Rockets seem to like Amen a lot.

If he goes 4, the Magic would probably just pick Amen at 6, right?

If Amen is available at 6, I guess you have to take him and hope for the best.

if you find Amen at #6 and you don't take him an ambulance should be called immediately.