Rate the Dick Pick

[Duffman100]

PhilBlackson is right, their approach to player acquisition appears rather inconsistent lately. Just collecting assets/contracts might be the strategy, the actual on court product is secondary.

Let’s get it on record then. Who would you have taken?

I actually like Dick as a player, I just don't like the fit on current roster, plus the path to minutes is difficult. A combo guard version of him would get more minutes. If Fred leaves, they need more ballhandling in backcourt. And your comment really has little to do with my post.

So who would you have chosen?

[deeps6x]

I wanted Kobe, but had Dick rated higher. I was shocked he fell this far. However I was even more shocked Whitmore fell as far as he did. But I wasn't aware of his apparent health problems. And the Thompson twins going top 5? I did not expect that either.

[alpngso]

Like it. Although he was in my top 3 guys that I wanted, his ceiling is probably not the highest but Raps desperately needed shooting. I don't think he'll be Korver level shooter but a very good one.

[ItsDanger]

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Let’s get it on record then. Who would you have taken?

I actually like Dick as a player, I just don't like the fit on current roster, plus the path to minutes is difficult. A combo guard version of him would get more minutes. If Fred leaves, they need more ballhandling in backcourt. And your comment really has little to do with my post.

So who would you have chosen?

I wanted Coulibaly, I at least answered it in the poll.

[geminiz]

My opinion is for draft, always choose BPA instead of fit. You can always trade the asset; it's better than picking an inferior player with the assumption he would fit only to realize either ur assumption how player would have fit doesn't translate or whatever ur trying to fit changed (coach/star/direction change).

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[Duffman100]

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I actually like Dick as a player, I just don't like the fit on current roster, plus the path to minutes is difficult. A combo guard version of him would get more minutes. If Fred leaves, they need more ballhandling in backcourt. And your comment really has little to do with my post.

So who would you have chosen?

I wanted Coulibaly, I at least answered it in the poll.

Okay. So we know who you would have traded up to get.

Who would you have drafted at 13 for the Raptors?

[ItsDanger]

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So who would you have chosen?

I wanted Coulibaly, I at least answered it in the poll.

Okay. So we know who you would have traded up to get.

Who would you have drafted at 13 for the Raptors?

I assumed Coulibaly would be there. If Fred leaves, you take a guard, that was my position. Again, I like Dick as a player, its not that I think he's trash or somebody was way better at that spot.

[canz55]

PhilBlackson is right, their approach to player acquisition appears rather inconsistent lately. Just collecting assets/contracts might be the strategy, the actual on court product is secondary.

OK but how many athletic forwards/wings/centre's do you want our system developing?

So far, we still have Prescious, Banton, Koloko, and Ron Harper on our roster as project players. Isn't that enough?

Maybe you can get mad at them for not taking Hawkins but it's equally possible they just didn't see much upside in his game.

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[Fairview4Life]

I wanted Coulibaly, I at least answered it in the poll.

Okay. So we know who you would have traded up to get.

Who would you have drafted at 13 for the Raptors?

I assumed Coulibaly would be there. If Fred leaves, you take a guard, that was my position. Again, I like Dick as a player, its not that I think he's trash or somebody was way better at that spot.

So you would draft for need? Interesting.

[ItsDanger]

Okay. So we know who you would have traded up to get.

Who would you have drafted at 13 for the Raptors?

I assumed Coulibaly would be there. If Fred leaves, you take a guard, that was my position. Again, I like Dick as a player, its not that I think he's trash or somebody was way better at that spot.

So you would draft for need? Interesting.

No, but the smart way to do it is tier your players by position/skillset/upside/floor. Its never a binary option. Besides, if you don't have subsequent moves, you got a serious lack of decent ballhandling at guard on this roster. That's just the reality from their roster choices.

[Steven1562]

I like the pick but we'll see if he can hang defensively to stay on the floor. I think he's got good size + really competes and hustles. Just the physical tools might not be good in 1 on 1 situations. Off the ball though he could thrive. He's got active hands and averaged a steal a game. He just needs to be average on that end of the court for this to be a slam dunk for the Raptors. On offense though I think he's going to open the court for a lot of our players though. His shooting gravity gives everybody on the court more room to drive.

[JShuttlesworth]

I think there are plenty of minutes for Gradey to get, we can play him at the 2 or at the 3

We have a lot of size and length if we choose to use him as a shooting guard, it will create mismatches for opposing teams

[ItsDanger]

PhilBlackson is right, their approach to player acquisition appears rather inconsistent lately. Just collecting assets/contracts might be the strategy, the actual on court product is secondary.

OK but how many athletic forwards/wings/centre's do you want our system developing?

So far, we still have Prescious, Banton, Koloko, and Ron Harper on our roster as project players. Isn't that enough?

Maybe you can get mad at them for not taking Hawkins but it's equally possible they just didn't see much upside in his game.

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The point really stems from them stating: We don't need X, then next season they acquire X. Everyone must play Y style, then next season acquire Z style. I think the end of the bench isn't very good and should be replaced. Take some risks.

[artsncrafts]

The pick is fine but it means FVV Is coming back which is not fine.

[Fairview4Life]

I assumed Coulibaly would be there. If Fred leaves, you take a guard, that was my position. Again, I like Dick as a player, its not that I think he's trash or somebody was way better at that spot.

So you would draft for need? Interesting.

No, but the smart way to do it is tier your players by position/skillset/upside/floor. Its never a binary option. Besides, if you don't have subsequent moves, you got a serious lack of decent ballhandling at guard on this roster. That's just the reality from their roster choices.

They tiered the players available to draft and picked the one they considered above the others. You would not have done that. You would tier all the players under contract and put a 19 year old into that group as well, and then pick the one that fits best into that group? before free agency. It's a bold choice.

[OakleyDokely]

I wanted Coulibaly, I at least answered it in the poll.

Okay. So we know who you would have traded up to get.

Who would you have drafted at 13 for the Raptors?

I assumed Coulibaly would be there. If Fred leaves, you take a guard, that was my position. Again, I like Dick as a player, its not that I think he's trash or somebody was way better at that spot.

still didn't answer the question.

name the available player you would've taken at 13.

[ItsDanger]

So you would draft for need? Interesting.

No, but the smart way to do it is tier your players by position/skillset/upside/floor. Its never a binary option. Besides, if you don't have subsequent moves, you got a serious lack of decent ballhandling at guard on this roster. That's just the reality from their roster choices.

They tiered the players available to draft and picked the one they considered above the others. You would not have done that. You would tier all the players under contract and put a 19 year old into that group as well, and then pick the one that fits best into that group? before free agency. It's a bold choice.

They typically know the free agency landscape already (mostly), we don't. Lot of teams have guys at same level/tier, then choose need sometimes if other factors are roughly the same. They don't have BPA lists. Its going to be in groupings. Its a best tier available. Anyways, once I'm out of the top 15-20, I would consider need a lot more.

[JJ From Deep]

PhilBlackson is right, their approach to player acquisition appears rather inconsistent lately. Just collecting assets/contracts might be the strategy, the actual on court product is secondary.

Let’s get it on record then. Who would you have taken?

I actually like Dick as a player, I just don't like the fit on current roster, plus the path to minutes is difficult. A combo guard version of him would get more minutes. If Fred leaves, they need more ballhandling in backcourt. And your comment really has little to do with my post.

Gradey can match up with either wing spot, which means you can easily slide him to the 2 if needed

[PhilBlackson]

Majority of this board will talk themselves into ANYTHING the FO does so not surprised by the ratings.

I'm actually NOT one of the posters that selected "Hated It" -- but I did select I Don't Like It.

Doesn't mean I think Dick is trash and some scrub. His "value" is obvious, he's a shooter/floor spacer. He's basically a 6'8 Duncan Robinson, maybe as he adds more ballhandling that will be Huerter and that's not hate, those guys are "valuable" players to their teams because yes it's just a fact now that everyone needs shooting...and that's what this FO did, drafted for "need" which is more my gripe with the pick - a true not hating the playa lol but the game/FO. They made that decision and I just don't like their vision (or lack thereof) for the team as it seems they're constructed much of it on public opinion, not any real strategy of their own and they're missing golden opportunities for the sake of playing it safe and I can't get with that.

The hoard of apologists will blab about yesteryear and the same slow build up expecting lightening to strike twice because they seen the world's biggest fluke of a trade in Kawhi, now blindly believe there's some grand plan although literally the FO is changing their answers of what they're after by the press conference (Vision 6'9 abandoned, immediately brought in two 7 footers the very next year, we're drafting a Raptors type guy that defend, oh no ooops, we got some shooting bc we don't wanna admit OKC pulled the trigger on a trade we wouldn't do for the actual player we wanted: Cason Wallace). They're just floating whereever the wind takes them and basically now are beholden to mid-players like Fred & Pascal who will produce mid results for the foreseeable future.

What they're doing is literally a giant waste of time, so I won't be tuning much until there's a MAJOR change (period) whether that's the players or the FO. The outcome is just way too predictable over the next 3-4 years IF they do just "run it back" with Gradey & some other minor pieces around the fringes as is very likely the case now -- it will be good REGULAR season record, quick Playoff elimination (rd 1 or 2 - they won't sniff a Conference Finals). They just wanna play it safe and make sure they even make it that far because of course MLSE wants that $, and instead of planning for the future with some short term pain to take more of a gamble on guys like Whitmore or Bufkin to become the 2nd option scorer that is ACTUALLY needed long term (or flipping either of OG or Pascal for players with higher potentials than their own) they continue to squander opportunity for real chance at growth & sacrifice it (yet again) for short term gain just to stay in their comfort zone. I don't play that way in my own life, so it's just a matter of principles that I disagree on so that's why I "don't like it" and stand by it even if works out "ok", I don't want just "ok" in anything lol but ya'll have fun with that.

You said all of this before. And we won a title. You’ll say it all again. Rinse and repeat.

thanks for proving my point...this is how jaded this board is.

They really believe lightening will strike twice because they seen it happen once.

A miracle trade happened once so therefore its bound to happen again is the "logic" the majority of this board is banking on. It's like a person who won the lottery blowing all their money and telling people they can't say sh*t to him because he was right about hitting the lottery before and therefore it will happen again lol good luck with that!

[Fairview4Life]

No, but the smart way to do it is tier your players by position/skillset/upside/floor. Its never a binary option. Besides, if you don't have subsequent moves, you got a serious lack of decent ballhandling at guard on this roster. That's just the reality from their roster choices.

They tiered the players available to draft and picked the one they considered above the others. You would not have done that. You would tier all the players under contract and put a 19 year old into that group as well, and then pick the one that fits best into that group? before free agency. It's a bold choice.

They typically know the free agency landscape already (mostly), we don't. Lot of teams have guys at same level/tier, then choose need sometimes if other factors are roughly the same. They don't have BPA lists. Its going to be in groupings. Its a best tier available. Anyways, once I'm out of the top 15-20, I would consider need a lot more.

This team says they tiered Dick above the other available players.