The Anthony Black Thread

[J the Drafter]

I disagree with the argument that Fultz and Black can’t play together. They can both drive and make plays off those drives (scoring and passing) and they can both cut without the ball. Fultz demands attention in the midrange too. Both of them can score without spotting up or dominating the ball. I wouldn’t be so quick to treat this like a Fultz-or-Black situation.

[Knightro]

Can someone who watches more full college games than me explain why Black only averaged 3.9 assists per game in college? As a big point guard whose main offensive selling points are supposedly bbiq/instincts/playmaking, that feels like kind of a low number to me. With 3,0 turnovers, too, so it's not like the ball wasn't in his hands.

Arkansas as a team ranked 326th in the country in 3PT%.

[89Magicfan]

I’m sick of people saying the Magic had a terrible draft.

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It isn’t just because it’s Black. It’s because of the position we are in. 6 and 11 was our best assets. Next years draft sucks. This years FA sucks. None of our current players have much value without those two picks.

We are on the treadmill and have been for some time and here we are again looking to another year of it. Maybe more.

Come on, that's preposterous. Those years of Vuc/Fournier buddy ball, that was what a treadmill looks like. We are a building/rebuilding team a couple years in (now essentially entering year 3), and our best assets are Paolo and Franz until proven otherwise. They're like 20 and 21 years old. "None of our current players have much value without those two picks"? What the hell? What do you even mean by that?

As for Petre I agree with some, maybe most, of what you wrote and disagreed with some, too; also thought there were a few fallacies in there. But I will say this, blind hate is stupid, nonsensical and not a good way to approach things in life. But so is blind faith.

Meaning outside of Paolo and Franz, we don’t have what other teams want. You can sell those players mixed with 6 and 11. Without those picks their value drops dramatically.

[Knightro]

I disagree with the argument that Fultz and Black can’t play together. They can both drive and make plays off those drives (scoring and passing) and they can both cut without the ball. Fultz demands attention in the midrange too. Both of them can score without spotting up or dominating the ball. I wouldn’t be so quick to treat this like a Fultz-or-Black situation.

You might be the only person who feels this way.

It's extremely difficult to have a good offense with one bad/non shooter. With two it's practically impossible.

[pepe1991]

Every year is evaluation year and every next year is "decisions " year. 2017- present day. Like a clock.

So, when we start scouting 2024 lottery picks?

I like Black. Black can go in many ways. HE can become starting PG. Or fall down to situational ballhandler but best suited as SF.
Today it's impossible to see him being slotted at SG tho, just not good enough shooting.


I highly doubt not flaming teenager type fans have many issues with Black as BPA.

Where imo friction of people do have problems is fact that we have been under Weltman and Hammond from 2017 to present day and 6+ years of experience tells ut they won't do jack **** to adjust roster to modern era and make funcional sense out of it. Rather run it back until somebody pulls- players ask out or front office gets tired of Orlando Wizards tragjection. Or somehow some player like Paolo and Franz break ceiling on their own. But it's very hard when every year menagment does it's best to sabotage roster.

[89Magicfan]

Every year is evaluation year and every next year is "decisions " year. 2017- present day. Like a clock.

So, when we start scouting 2024 lottery picks?

I like Black. Black can go in many ways. HE can become starting PG. Or fall down to situational ballhandler but best suited as SF.
Today it's impossible to see him being slotted at SG tho, just not good enough shooting.


I highly doubt not flaming teenager type fans have many issues with Black as BPA.

Where imo friction of people do have problems is fact that we have been under Weltman and Hammond from 2017 to present day and 6+ years of experience tells ut they won't do jack **** to adjust roster to modern era and make funcional sense out of it. Rather run it back until somebody pulls- players ask out or front office gets tired of Orlando Wizards tragjection. Or somehow some player like Paolo and Franz break ceiling on their own. But it's very hard when every year menagment does it's best to sabotage roster.

Couldn’t said it any better myself.

It’s almost like they do it on purpose just so they can solve the problems they create.

[Orl_Magic]

Black makes sense if we get another Fultz injury. This team was a mess without Fultz. Black can be a calming presence and run our offense so Franz doesnt have to.

[eyriq]

What if Black isn't a PG?

[Message Boar]

Can someone who watches more full college games than me explain why Black only averaged 3.9 assists per game in college? As a big point guard whose main offensive selling points are supposedly bbiq/instincts/playmaking, that feels like kind of a low number to me. With 3,0 turnovers, too, so it's not like the ball wasn't in his hands.

Arkansas as a team ranked 326th in the country in 3PT%.

Yeah I figured that played a role; though he is also himself responsible for that low %. Guess it was good practice for coming to the Magic then Obviously our shooting is still better than it was for him in college, but compared to their competition, I mean.

[basketballRob]

What if Black isn't a PG?

He is. That's that's all he has ever played. When we drafted Franz, 80% of the board thought he was a PF because of his height.

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[fendilim]

What if Black isn't a PG?

well, paolo will run majority of the offense anyway. He just needs to bring down the ball then pass to paolo

[VFX]

Every year is evaluation year and every next year is "decisions " year. 2017- present day. Like a clock.

So, when we start scouting 2024 lottery picks?

I like Black. Black can go in many ways. HE can become starting PG. Or fall down to situational ballhandler but best suited as SF.
Today it's impossible to see him being slotted at SG tho, just not good enough shooting.


I highly doubt not flaming teenager type fans have many issues with Black as BPA.

Where imo friction of people do have problems is fact that we have been under Weltman and Hammond from 2017 to present day and 6+ years of experience tells ut they won't do jack **** to adjust roster to modern era and make funcional sense out of it. Rather run it back until somebody pulls- players ask out or front office gets tired of Orlando Wizards tragjection. Or somehow some player like Paolo and Franz break ceiling on their own. But it's very hard when every year menagment does it's best to sabotage roster.

I'm glad you like the pick also.

I completely agree with your assessment of this FO. If they don't make moves this offseason its going to be detrimental to the development and timeframe. Sometimes doing nothing is worse than doing something in regards to balancing the roster.

Last season Weltman on a podcast said something about "evaluating" the talent for next seasons moves... well here we are into this season and nothing has changed. More guards and less spots available for playing time. I don't think he can use that same excuse again.

[eyriq]

What if Black isn't a PG?

well, paolo will run majority of the offense anyway. He just needs to bring down the ball then pass to paolo

What if Black isn't a PG?

He is. That's that's all he has ever played. When we drafted Franz, 80% of the board thought he was a PF because of his height.

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Ok ok, makes sense. Magic Johnson it is then

[pepe1991]

What if Black isn't a PG?

He is. That's that's all he has ever played. When we drafted Franz, 80% of the board thought he was a PF because of his height.

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I don't know what position he did play, but his numbers don't tell me he was even PG at highschool. Guy averaged 16 ppg on 3,5 apg.
At college he averaged 3,9 apg. And at those youth level best player is defacto "Playmaker" because coach just wants ball in hands of it's best player regardless what his skillset is.

During McDonalds all american game he wasn't starting PG nor backup PG, rather backup SF. To Nick Smith and Amir Bailey.

Regardless where he plays, he needs to become at least bit of treat to shoot to have sucess.

Black shot just 23.1 percent on non-restricted area paint attempts and 30.0 percent on midrange jumpers.

This won't cut it even if you are C in modern era.

[p0peye]

What if Black isn't a PG?

He might be Draymond Green in disguise.

[fendilim]

Every year is evaluation year and every next year is "decisions " year. 2017- present day. Like a clock.

So, when we start scouting 2024 lottery picks?

I like Black. Black can go in many ways. HE can become starting PG. Or fall down to situational ballhandler but best suited as SF.
Today it's impossible to see him being slotted at SG tho, just not good enough shooting.


I highly doubt not flaming teenager type fans have many issues with Black as BPA.

Where imo friction of people do have problems is fact that we have been under Weltman and Hammond from 2017 to present day and 6+ years of experience tells ut they won't do jack **** to adjust roster to modern era and make funcional sense out of it. Rather run it back until somebody pulls- players ask out or front office gets tired of Orlando Wizards tragjection. Or somehow some player like Paolo and Franz break ceiling on their own. But it's very hard when every year menagment does it's best to sabotage roster.

I'm glad you like the pick also.

I completely agree with your assessment of this FO. If they don't make moves this offseason its going to be detrimental to the development and timeframe. Sometimes doing nothing is worse than doing something in regards to balancing the roster.

Last season Weltman on a podcast said something about "evaluating" the talent for next seasons moves... well here we are into this season and nothing has changed. More guards and less spots available for playing time. I don't think he can use that same excuse again.

This year and next year the year to make a splash in FA. While our key guys are still under rookie contract.

But we also have to spend it right. Thank God we went for a PG, otherwise we might be maxxing FVV. LOL

[89Magicfan]

Every year is evaluation year and every next year is "decisions " year. 2017- present day. Like a clock.

So, when we start scouting 2024 lottery picks?

I like Black. Black can go in many ways. HE can become starting PG. Or fall down to situational ballhandler but best suited as SF.
Today it's impossible to see him being slotted at SG tho, just not good enough shooting.


I highly doubt not flaming teenager type fans have many issues with Black as BPA.

Where imo friction of people do have problems is fact that we have been under Weltman and Hammond from 2017 to present day and 6+ years of experience tells ut they won't do jack **** to adjust roster to modern era and make funcional sense out of it. Rather run it back until somebody pulls- players ask out or front office gets tired of Orlando Wizards tragjection. Or somehow some player like Paolo and Franz break ceiling on their own. But it's very hard when every year menagment does it's best to sabotage roster.

I'm glad you like the pick also.

I completely agree with your assessment of this FO. If they don't make moves this offseason its going to be detrimental to the development and timeframe. Sometimes doing nothing is worse than doing something in regards to balancing the roster.

Last season Weltman on a podcast said something about "evaluating" the talent for next seasons moves... well here we are into this season and nothing has changed. More guards and less spots available for playing time. I don't think he can use that same excuse again.

This year and next year the year to make a splash in FA. While our key guys are still under rookie contract.

But we also have to spend it right. Thank God we went for a PG, otherwise we might be maxxing FVV. LOL

What splash?

[J the Drafter]

I disagree with the argument that Fultz and Black can’t play together. They can both drive and make plays off those drives (scoring and passing) and they can both cut without the ball. Fultz demands attention in the midrange too. Both of them can score without spotting up or dominating the ball. I wouldn’t be so quick to treat this like a Fultz-or-Black situation.

You might be the only person who feels this way.

It's extremely difficult to have a good offense with one bad/non shooter. With two it's practically impossible.

That’s an oversimplified way of looking at offense. There’s more to offense than shooting, and there’s more to playing without the ball than standing in the corner.

There are ways to punish sagging defenses that don’t involve spotting up—driving, cutting, swinging the ball for weakside screen-and-rolls—so to put such an emphasis on shooting is a mistake to me.

A Fultz-Black duo should be able to attack the basket and make plays for others, and they can score without needing the ball, so it’s premature to assume they can’t work together.

[rcklsscognition]

CBS sports was heaping praise on this pick on their post draft show, so much so that I was really caught off guard. They absolutely love this pick. Apparently the IQ is off the charts good. He is a freakishly-gifted athlete. A 4-star Wide Receiver prospect. Basketball was his 4th best sport?

Free agency and trades may make this make more sense.

[basketballRob]

What if Black isn't a PG?

He is. That's that's all he has ever played. When we drafted Franz, 80% of the board thought he was a PF because of his height.

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I don't know what position he did play, but his numbers don't tell me he was even PG at highschool. Guy averaged 16 ppg on 3,5 apg.
At college he averaged 3,9 apg. And at those youth level best player is defacto "Playmaker" because coach just wants ball in hands of it's best player regardless what his skillset is.

During McDonalds all american game he wasn't starting PG nor backup PG, rather backup SF. To Nick Smith and Amir Bailey.

Regardless where he plays, he needs to become at least bit of treat to shoot to have sucess.

Black shot just 23.1 percent on non-restricted area paint attempts and 30.0 percent on midrange jumpers.

This won't cut it even if you are C in modern era.

He won the EYBL MVP. He averaged 20 ppg and 8 apg. I believe Sharpe, Nick Smith, and Brandon Miller were first team.

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