Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[Triple7]

Go aquire Cole Anthony

Trade brogdon and pritchard

This times 100.


Cole anthony and in an ideal world snag Suggs on the low as well.

The 2 of them, if I am correct, will match the maximum the Cs can take back in a deal involving s&T grant.

Magic have a log jam at pg, they will let go one. I’d take anthony. Better shooter, though suggs have shown to be a better playmaker.

[fallguy]

Well I believe we opened Pandora box . That depth is atrocious and we can't out right sign a player to improve on can't will Brogdon or pp. I mean right off the bat are strong suit last year is gone. Smart white Brogdon pp JD was flex depth there now it's white pp JD god knows how long Brogdon is out for.
Horford has the bigs covered tell one of them goes down so if two go down we're screwed because kornet is garbage. Also where is the scoring coming from off the bench from? We really got backed into a box if we have to rely on can't will being our 6th man

It's June 23.

[Hal14]

We'd have to stay below the $182.5M 2nd apron to use that taxpayers MLE. So the combo of moves with Brogdon/Grant/Pritchard would have to leave us with $5M to spend below that still.

Seems to me like an either-or scenario of taking back salary in a Grant S&T or using the tax payers MLE. Feels improbable to me we could do both. And doing the Grant S&T salary take-back might mean going over the 2nd apron.

Gotcha.

I'm thinking we have our top 7 guys set in stone (barring a Brogdon trade, of course) and then hopefully we can have a solid 8th man who would be either:

-Grant (resign on team friendly deal but I realize that would take some tricky maneuvering)
-A guy (Jae'Sean Tate? Obi Toppin?) we get via Grant sign and trade
-Guy we sign with TPMLE
-Guy we sign with veterans minimum

After that 8th man, we've got decent enough depth with Hauser, Pritchard, Kornet/Griffin, etc.

But we need to make sure we have a solid 8th man..I don't want to lose Grant for nothing and then our 8th/9th man is Hauser/Pritchard..

Our 8th man needs to either stay as Grant - or be a different guy we acquire who's as good (or better) than Grant..

I expect you’ll be disappointed; barring a brogdon trade for 2 players; I think our 8th man will be either hauser or someone at the caliber of josh Richardson.

We’ve done a talent upgrade but it cost us some depth; it’s really unavoidable with the new cba.

Everyone is dumping their bad contracts cause of it; our victim is gonna be grant.

I’ll be happy if I’m wrong though

If J-Rich is our 8th man, that's not so bad. He's as good as Grant, imo.

Just please, not Hauser. He should be 9th man, at best. He's been on the team for 2 years now and neither of our aoches we've had during that time has felt comfortable putting him into playoff games.

[Cricket23]

I'd really like a trade of Brogdon to a cap space team for a forward (K Martin would be ideal), that would save them enough money to re-sign Grant and still use the MLE (Westbrook).

[Hal14]

I'd really like a trade of Brogdon to a cap space team for a forward (K Martin would be ideal), that would save them enough money to re-sign Grant and still use the MLE (Westbrook).

I like it.

Rumor has it, houston wants to get a veteran PG. They drafted Amen, but he's a 20 yr old rookie. They need a veteran PG to help take some of the load off Amen and show him the way a little bit.

Plus they have cap space.

And HOU (especially since they drafted Whitmore) has way too many wings now. Someone is gonna get moved, either Tate or KJ Martin (they may also move KPJ but I think they want to keep him for his off ball shooting.

So I like where you're headed here. I just don't think I want Westbrook. We can get some other veteran guard who's decent, and cheap..But Martin could be a solid wing off the bench. He's still young, too. Will probably be even better next season than he was this season.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brogdon options:

1. To Phoenix, Ayton to a third team
2. To LAC, Marcus Morris to us or a third team
3. salary dump to an under-the-cap team (e.g OKC)
4. partial salary dump (e.g. Morris to OKC, LAC 1st to OKC, Brandon Boston here)
4. with a boatload of picks for a major upgrade
5. to any other unnamed team who wants a point guard, sixth man, and/or shooting

[31to6]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

[Celts17Pride]

If Brogdon gets traded before the season, 50/50 at best. It will probably be after July 6th when free agency begins and teams lose their free agency targets in my opinion.

[Larry_Russell]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.

[hugepatsfan]

FWIW, the original Brogdon trade reported was:

LAC gives: Morris, #30
LAC gets: Brogdon

BOS gives: Brogdon, Gallo
BOS gets: Porzingis

WAS gives: Porzingis
WAS gets: Morris, Brogdon, #30

That was incomplete. Morris was not enough salary matching for LAC. They still needed to give one more salary. Sounds simple in theory, but they don't have a Justin Champagnie type player on their roster on a minimum deal they can just mindlessly toss in to make the money work. They liked Jason Preston enough to take him 33rd overall last year. Brandon Boston Jr is someone their fans like and he had some good GLeague stints. Amir Coffee is considered someone who could be a back of the rotation player if he got a chance. Bones Hyland still has a bit of prospect shine and rookie contract years left. If the Clippers sign their #30 pick (Kobe Brown) they can use his salary as outgoing money and the matching issue is solved without them adding anything to the reported deal. Just have to wait 30 days.

Also reports that LAC was concerned about not having time to do a physical. They have no hard deadline now. We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't rule out a revival of Brogdon to LAC for the original package of Morris and #30. But we don't really have a need for Morris. The key thing there though is that Morris' expiring salary is likely more attractive as salary filler if we look to use picks as an upgrade. So maybe something like...

LAC gives: Morris, Kobe Brown (signed)
LAC gets: Brogdon

BOS gives: Brogdon, future picks
BOS gets: Player X or multiple Player X's

3rd team gives: Player X or multiple Player X's
3rd team gets: Morris, Kobe Brown, picks from us

[hugepatsfan]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.

They haven't lost Grant Williams yet. He's set to be a free agent on July 1st. It's not July 1st yet. It's impossible for us to have re-signed him or replaced him at this point. We only have 11 players signed (12 if you count Walsh). We're required by the CBA to sign 13 players to start the year at least.

Our current roster would literally be illegal to start the season without adding more players. We cannot legally sign the player you're complaining we lost. It's silly to be up in arms about what we have or haven't replaced from last year at this stage.

[Celts17Pride]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.

They haven't lost Grant Williams yet. He's set to be a free agent on July 1st. It's not July 1st yet. It's impossible for us to have re-signed him or replaced him at this point. We only have 11 players signed (12 if you count Walsh). We're required by the CBA to sign 13 players to start the year at least.

Our current roster would literally be illegal to start the season without adding more players. We cannot legally sign the player you're complaining we lost. It's silly to be up in arms about what we have or haven't replaced from last year at this stage.

Celtics have only two ways without doing something dramatic to resign Grant Williams in my opinion.

1. If they have no problem going over the 2nd apron. (Highly doubt they do that)
2. Move Brogdon to a team with cap space and take back lesser or no salary.

I don't see another way.

[exculpatory]

Dump 7 or regret it.

[captain green]

Well I believe we opened Pandora box . That depth is atrocious and we can't out right sign a player to improve on can't will Brogdon or pp. I mean right off the bat are strong suit last year is gone. Smart white Brogdon pp JD was flex depth there now it's white pp JD god knows how long Brogdon is out for.
Horford has the bigs covered tell one of them goes down so if two go down we're screwed because kornet is garbage. Also where is the scoring coming from off the bench from? We really got backed into a box if we have to rely on can't will being our 6th man

It's June 23.

Yeah and how do you suggest we get better ? We can't sign no one good due the financial cap no one will trade for brogdon he's out until November or December. And no one is going to over pay for can't will or Pritchard in a trade? Who is the scorer off the bench?

[31to6]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.

yes, you're the prime example of the 'sky is falling' sentiment I was referring to

how ever will they replace a PG who was demonstrably worse than the other two PGs they retain?
how ever will they replace the 5 and 2 Grant averaged in the playoffs?
sorry: 5.1 and 2.2. Gotta dig deep to find a way to replace those decimal places.

[SuperDeluxe]

This is way late but can anyone succinctly describe what we ended up trading and what we are left with now in terms of picks?

Here you go:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2301108&start=500#p107106771

[Larry_Russell]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.

They haven't lost Grant Williams yet. He's set to be a free agent on July 1st. It's not July 1st yet. It's impossible for us to have re-signed him or replaced him at this point. We only have 11 players signed (12 if you count Walsh). We're required by the CBA to sign 13 players to start the year at least.

Our current roster would literally be illegal to start the season without adding more players. We cannot legally sign the player you're complaining we lost. It's silly to be up in arms about what we have or haven't replaced from last year at this stage.

It has been pointed out multiple times by many posters that keeping grant is out the window due to 2nd apron

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does Washington want Ayton? We could send Brogdon to PHO and take back Tyus Jones and Avjida if WAS sends more salary west

[Setshot33]

I love the "We can easily replace what Brogdon gives us" vibe on this board.

He's the first 6th Man of the year that this team has had since Walton was here. Took them 37 years to find one.

Really easy......

[Larry_Russell]

I appreciate that we all want the team to get better but I think we lose sight of the fact that the team won 57 games last year, added a star center, and upgraded the coaching staff.

Is there room to improve? Sure. Is it imperative to dump Brogdon? No. He’s a key piece of this team.

and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.

yes, you're the prime example of the 'sky is falling' sentiment I was referring to

how ever will they replace a PG who was demonstrably worse than the other two PGs they retain?
how ever will they replace the 5 and 2 Grant averaged in the playoffs?
sorry: 5.1 and 2.2. Gotta dig deep to find a way to replace those decimal places.

Smart has been better than white all but for most of last season
Smart is better than brogdon

Grant is good at what he is and right now we have 3 front court guys and that is it.

Grant is an asset that there is a very real chance we can lose for nothing.

That is poor asset management