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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#281 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:16 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
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You might be the only person who feels this way.

It's extremely difficult to have a good offense with one bad/non shooter. With two it's practically impossible.


our frontcourt isn't exactly lighting it up from outside either...in case that was the escape clause

Well... fraz was above average... and Carter was about league average. Paulo.... wellllll if we look at his last 17 games... there is hope.

Suggs showed improvements... so did cole. Bol bol lost his confidence... but if stella can do it... so could he.haha. Caleb was torching it.... till he wasn't.

we will see where this all leads! Oh and don't forget the Fultz phoenix rising from the ashes. lol


I wasn't meaning to knock them...just that they aren't the kind of floor spreaders that can carry a sh***y backcourt. Our best players shouldn't have to adapt to compensate for crappy players we seem to be in love with.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#282 » by orlando_joe » Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:54 pm

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Skybox wrote:I don't care about the lift on his shot...he only needs to be able to punish teams that back off and dare him. We don't have that now. That's what Harris does...he doesn't hunt shots, he takes only what he's given...so he's efficient but not very impactful.

I want Black as our starting PG and we need Herro or Simons at SG next to him...Suggs and Anthony have clear lanes to playing time if their spot up shooting continues to improve. Fultz has a clear lane to another team, IMO. I assume Black's not ready to take over yet, so I'd guess Fultz has a very good season and is moved at the trade deadline as Black's very similar, but bigger and better at everything -even if shooting is a weakness for both. We need a vet scorer in FA/trade and we have the pieces to get one (particularly one who's value is presently in question like Simons and Herro). POR and MIA are targeting a big move and we have the cap space and picks to help facilitate-and grab what we want, in the process.

you have to give this up..or are magic getting first rd picks to take them now with your trades?


I don't know what you're talking about (as usual)...are those guys negative values? are you saying those teams should pay us to take their 23 year old 20ppg scoring guards who can shoot from downtown at a high volume? OR...are you coming at it like the other genius who thinks this year's picks are the only ones that will ever have value?
they one way players and just like your favorite player pool overpaid no market players that there teams want gone off there books and they do not hold advantage

gsw had to take bad money for a yr..i am sure they would have rather had clean slate tpe to add any player they wanted..plus gave a first rd pick and a 2nd rd pick for team to take him

you had magic giving a lottery pick and anthony/suggs and tpe for poole you just saw his value first hand
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#283 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:03 pm

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our frontcourt isn't exactly lighting it up from outside either...in case that was the escape clause

Well... fraz was above average... and Carter was about league average. Paulo.... wellllll if we look at his last 17 games... there is hope.

Suggs showed improvements... so did cole. Bol bol lost his confidence... but if stella can do it... so could he.haha. Caleb was torching it.... till he wasn't.

we will see where this all leads! Oh and don't forget the Fultz phoenix rising from the ashes. lol


I wasn't meaning to knock them...just that they aren't the kind of floor spreaders that can carry a sh***y backcourt. Our best players shouldn't have to adapt to compensate for crappy players we seem to be in love with.

BUT... for me ... our best players should continue to grow in all aspects of the game that are in reach. And i think a lot are capable. People also say that we don't need more playmakers etc. but i LOVE what were are doing with high IQ, great positionally sized players with playmaking skills. I want players to make easy looks for others... no matter who has the ball. take advantage of your ADVANTAGES at all times. Easy baskets and more assists.... while still having players that can just go grab you a bucket on their own.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#284 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:03 pm

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orlando_joe wrote:you have to give this up..or are magic getting first rd picks to take them now with your trades?


I don't know what you're talking about (as usual)...are those guys negative values? are you saying those teams should pay us to take their 23 year old 20ppg scoring guards who can shoot from downtown at a high volume? OR...are you coming at it like the other genius who thinks this year's picks are the only ones that will ever have value?
they one way players and just like your favorite player pool overpaid no market players that there teams want gone off there books and they do not hold advantage

gsw had to take bad money for a yr..i am sure they would have rather had clean slate tpe to add any player they wanted..plus gave a first rd pick and a 2nd rd pick for team to take him

you had magic giving a lottery pick and anthony/suggs and tpe for poole you just saw his value first hand


I posted a hundred trade ideas...you've posted a thousand 'NO's'...what's that got to do with anything.

Magic already have a handful of one way players...it wouldn't hurt to add one that is one-way the other way (offense). You might say we're well suited for a guy like that given we have Black and Suggs (who are both actually far from one way-just not great shooters). I wish we had added Poole, he'd be great next to Black...you're right, run it back with Fultz, pay him and expect miracles. Just say NO.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#285 » by MagicManMike » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:30 pm

Skin wrote:Roster construction reasons why we drafted Black & Howard (outside of hoping they become stars):

1. Enables the Magic to release Gary Harris - This is all but a certainty now, but most of us were already expecting it to happen. With the additions of Black and Howard, the minutes for Harris have vanished. If we resign Harris now and bury our young guys I will laugh hysterically and bring out the pitchforks for WeHam.

2. Cole Anthony's days as a 6th man are gone. You could say that Howard is replacing Harris and we will still need Cole to play the role of 6th man, but I don't see it. Not unless injury occurs. Black is going to eat into his minutes as the first PG off the bench. Howard and Suggs will share the majority of the 48 minutes at SG. Cole is being iced the **** out.

These are the 2 highest lineup minutes that Cole played in a 2 person backcourt combination last year.

Anthony / Suggs - 527 min played together last year - Not gonna get anything close to that this year.
Fultz / Anthony - 440 min played together last year - This is the pairing that will fade unless there is an injury. Suggs and Howard simply need to develop.

The one thing that would break this is if Cole Anthony beats out Fultz for the starting role or Fultz/Black are hurt. Cole is the 3rd PG and 3rd SG now.

3. Lowers the Extension money that they will be willing to give Anthony. I don't think there is a trade market for him that is anything beyond a future 2nd round pick or using him in a bigger package as salary filler. We got what we needed to out of a 15th pick. See ya.

4. Lowers the Extension money that they will be willing to give Fultz. I think the fears of the Magic giving Fultz a deal in the $25M+ AAV range are gonzo. Look to him to get a deal more similar to Wendell Carter. Fultz just doesn't have the leverage to command more.


You’re spot on except I would add the following. If we go on what the FO said about having them earn their minutes, you basically put Fultz, Harris, Cole & even Isaac on notice to make a difference out of the gate this year. If the team doesn’t get the results showing they could be a top 4 team in the East, then you hopefully have maximize the value to trade those three guys and have your line up of the future in.

Black
Howard
Franz
PB
Carter

Even more so you have either solidified Fultz as the starter at a lower cost or you have now cleared the field for Black.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#286 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:32 pm

Here is a ChatGPT driven analysis for Anthony Black based on his percentiles.

STRENGTHS
Anthony Black, representing Arkansas in the SEC, is an exceptional talent, showing extraordinary prowess in a variety of areas. He possesses an impressive 98.2 percentile in minutes played per game, a clear indicator of his durability and essential role in his team's game plan.

His usage percentile stands at 74.5, showcasing his significant involvement in the team's offense. Black's ability to distribute the ball is commendable, ranking in the 87.1 percentile in assists, solidifying his status as a top-tier playmaker.

On the defensive side, Black exhibits outstanding skill, with a steal percentile of 96 and a block percentile of 72.1, underscoring his fantastic ability to disrupt opposing offenses. His defensive prowess doesn't stop there; his defensive BPM percentile is a staggering 96.6, showing how valuable he is on the defensive end of the court.

His overall rebounding ability is well above average, particularly on the offensive glass where he ranks in the 70.8 percentile. His defensive rebounding percentile is also commendable at 87.3, demonstrating his strong positioning and timing.

Another area where Black excels is drawing fouls, where his free throw rate percentile is an impressive 95.1. This indicates his ability to aggressively drive to the basket, create contact, and earn trips to the free-throw line.

WEAKNESSES
While Black has shown his all-around abilities on both ends of the court, his shooting needs improvement. His effective field goal percentile stands at 48.9 and three-point percentile is at 42.2, both are areas he could enhance to increase his offensive impact.

Despite a solid performance overall in scoring and usage, his free throw percentile is 46.6. This could be due to inconsistencies in his shooting form or lack of focus at the line, which, given his propensity to draw fouls, is an area he should work on to maximize his scoring potential.

SUMMARY
Anthony Black's profile paints the picture of a player who excels in many areas. His standout attributes include his playmaking, defensive prowess, rebounding skills, and ability to draw fouls, making him an exceptionally versatile asset on the court.

Though his shooting could use some improvement, his ability to impact the game in various ways, from distributing the ball efficiently to making key defensive plays, and his significant contribution in terms of minutes played, indicate a player with immense potential. If he can improve his shooting efficiency, particularly from the free-throw line and beyond the arc, Black could very well be a force to reckon with in the future.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#287 » by MAGICian619 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:48 pm

Some of these takes are pretty wild.

The fit isn’t good? We basically have 2 players entrenched in our starting lineup for the next 10 years. They are both forwards. Taking another forward with the 6 pick would have been a waste and an actual fit issue.

I think the bigger issue with some of the analysis by some is the obsession with Fultz and Anthony. They are fine but are just guys. Black is a whole different level of a prospect. We had one last swing on a top tier draft prospect and IMO it had to be at guard.

Black/Franz/Paolo is going to be such beautiful basketball to watch. All similar high IQ play makers. Fit is only a question mark with Black if you are looking at the lesser important part of our team. He is an A+ fit with Franz and Paolo which should really be all that matters.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#288 » by MAGICian619 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:52 pm

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eyriq wrote:It's going to be very easy to turn on Weltman. That constant sniffle is annoying af.

Pretty sure he was high on coke during the draft.


If true we likely would have seen action in the 2nd round as opposed to punting our pick and going to bed early. :lol:
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#289 » by three3d » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:55 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:Some of these takes are pretty wild.

The fit isn’t good? We basically have 2 players entrenched in our starting lineup for the next 10 years. They are both forwards. Taking another forward with the 6 pick would have been a waste and an actual fit issue.

I think the bigger issue with some of the analysis by some is the obsession with Fultz and Anthony. They are fine but are just guys. Black is a whole different level of a prospect. We had one last swing on a top tier draft prospect and IMO it had to be at guard.

Black/Franz/Paolo is going to be such beautiful basketball to watch. All similar high IQ play makers. Fit is only a question mark with Black if you are looking at the lesser important part of our team. He is an A+ fit with Franz and Paolo which should really be all that matters.


How ??? Defenses don’t even have to guard the kid. They are going to collapse in the paint and let him shoot, and when he does shoot that sh*t is going to get sent 5 rows up in the stands. Besides having a slow release he has zero elevation on his shot, he doesn’t even jump really on it.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#290 » by KillMonger » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:02 pm

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MAGICian619 wrote:Some of these takes are pretty wild.

The fit isn’t good? We basically have 2 players entrenched in our starting lineup for the next 10 years. They are both forwards. Taking another forward with the 6 pick would have been a waste and an actual fit issue.

I think the bigger issue with some of the analysis by some is the obsession with Fultz and Anthony. They are fine but are just guys. Black is a whole different level of a prospect. We had one last swing on a top tier draft prospect and IMO it had to be at guard.

Black/Franz/Paolo is going to be such beautiful basketball to watch. All similar high IQ play makers. Fit is only a question mark with Black if you are looking at the lesser important part of our team. He is an A+ fit with Franz and Paolo which should really be all that matters.


How ??? Defenses don’t even have to guard the kid. They are going to collapse in the paint and let him shoot, and when he does shoot that sh*t is going to get sent 5 rows up in the stands. Besides having a slow release he has zero elevation on his shot, he doesn’t even jump really on it.

if you see the shot now it looks like he made an adjustment, it's not as slow as it was before...sort of like a one-motion shot....haliburton-esque

Edit: found the clip
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That jumper looks quite a bit faster than i remember, so he's going to be able to get it off
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#291 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:09 pm

Cole is already posting a funny video of Black.

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Post#292 » by SOUL » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:11 pm

Well, some of the top of the drafts have specific skill +/-. You cannot invent a player that didn't exist.

Scoot, Amen, Ausar and Black will all have face the same criticisms.

I was told Hendricks and Jarace would have no path forward and we shouldn't draft for a bench.

I was told Lively has no skills outside of defense and would be a waste of a pick.

Whitmore had injury concerns and doesn't pass the ball nor shoot it great yet.

That leaves.. what.. Dick and Hawkins as what people wanted? You mean just like the archetype of players our fanbase drools for in NAW, Moody, Bouknight?

Not saying they'll become that, just it seems the only "acceptable" player are those.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#293 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:11 pm

basketballRob wrote:Cole is already posting a funny video of Black.

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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#294 » by MAGICian619 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:20 pm

three3d wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:Some of these takes are pretty wild.

The fit isn’t good? We basically have 2 players entrenched in our starting lineup for the next 10 years. They are both forwards. Taking another forward with the 6 pick would have been a waste and an actual fit issue.

I think the bigger issue with some of the analysis by some is the obsession with Fultz and Anthony. They are fine but are just guys. Black is a whole different level of a prospect. We had one last swing on a top tier draft prospect and IMO it had to be at guard.

Black/Franz/Paolo is going to be such beautiful basketball to watch. All similar high IQ play makers. Fit is only a question mark with Black if you are looking at the lesser important part of our team. He is an A+ fit with Franz and Paolo which should really be all that matters.


How ??? Defenses don’t even have to guard the kid. They are going to collapse in the paint and let him shoot, and when he does shoot that sh*t is going to get sent 5 rows up in the stands. Besides having a slow release he has zero elevation on his shot, he doesn’t even jump really on it.


If there are 10 components to a players game, Black gets an A+ in 9 out of 10 with shooting being the only non A grade. Hopefully that improves but with his legendary FTAr (free throw attempt rate) he is a player that gets to the line a ton which really boosts (and really guarantees) his scoring.

Also he shot 30% from 3 as an 18 year old freshman. We are not talking Amen Thompson 20% from 3 kind of shooting mess. If Black was a “good to great” shooter he would have been the #2 pick in this years draft.

At the end of the day, Black is a special 6’7 true PG prospect that has a ton of elite skills. If shooting becomes average we found our 3rd star.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#295 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:31 pm

Wtf is going on with his left hand on that shot release?
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#296 » by BlueBlazer » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:36 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Cole is already posting a funny video of Black.

Read on Twitter
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:lol: Black will never see the end of this video in the locker room. Never.
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Post#297 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:39 pm

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thelead wrote:This kid is going to be amazing in the two-man game with Paolo and Franz.

This is imaginary. Paolo and Franz like having the ball in their hands and to their credit, a lot of people give them props for being somewhat playmakers. Unless that changes and Paolo and Franz start to play more off the ball, then Black is gonna face the same thing Fultz has faced... with himself having to play off Paolo and Franz whenever they are the primary ball handlers. This is why it is CRITICAL for Black to be able to knock down 3s. If he becomes that, he will be everything we need and this pick will enshrine Weltman in the Magic HOF when we win a championship. I'm willing to hold out hope for that though. :D


You forgot that during Franz rookie year his offensive calling card was his great ability to cut at the right place at the right time? In fact, we complained that Franz playing on the ball limited his offensive production.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#298 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:57 pm

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Post#299 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:14 pm

SOUL wrote:Well, some of the top of the drafts have specific skill +/-. You cannot invent a player that didn't exist.

Scoot, Amen, Ausar and Black will all have face the same criticisms.

I was told Hendricks and Jarace would have no path forward and we shouldn't draft for a bench.

I was told Lively has no skills outside of defense and would be a waste of a pick.

Whitmore had injury concerns and doesn't pass the ball nor shoot it great yet.

That leaves.. what.. Dick and Hawkins as what people wanted? You mean just like the archetype of players our fanbase drools for in NAW, Moody, Bouknight?

Not saying they'll become that, just it seems the only "acceptable" player are those.


From the outside, you guys made a great pick who was also the best player available at 6. Looks like maybe less bust risk than the Thompsons, too.
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Post#300 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:18 pm

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