Who Should Start at the 4 & 5; and who Should come off the Bench?

[darrendaye]

Brad seems to want double-big, and to feel good about a Rob/Zinger pairing.

That said, load management plays a huge role in this discussion, at least for the regular season.

This is one reason I'm looking at Isaiah Jackson in a Grant S&T. Also, not that I expect it gets employed, but Brad did drop a KP can even play some 3 in his Forsberg interview.

[darrendaye]

That I thought was obvious, pal. I of course meant earlier in the year when Rob was playing. Jeesh!

Eh, I think Rob played poorly in his first games back because of rust. He wasn't good in the playoffs though. He still has too many mental lapses.

Anna Horford, is that you?

OMG I hope so.

[threrf23]

I think KP & Rob have similar strengths and weaknesses on the defensive end, or are at least well equipped to play the same role. So, I like the idea of seeing Rob back up KP, simplifies scheme, and you don't have to make adjustments defensively when one is injured or resting.

I hope Brad is not done tweaking our roster, but for now I would start Al at center (or otherwise alongside KP) and simply limit his minutes heavily.

[31to6]

We’ll hopefully have an answer by the playoffs but imma expect a meandering experiment from Mazzulla until then. I’d start Rob and Porzingis, personally, mostly because I want them to make it a priority to develop Rob/figure out what they’ve got in Rob going forward — but I figure we’ll see multiple iterations throughout the season.

[return2glory]

I'd like us to trade for Jericho Sims and have him start next to Porzingis. I love his defense and energy. He can guard 1-5. I wanted him in the 2nd round when he came out of college.

When are people going to learn about Rob. Every time you count on him, he disappoints. We need a durable big to mix in with our current bigs.

Unless Porzingis starts at C, I don't think our current starting center is on this roster yet. I like Al to start more than Rob. The team can also give Grant more of a role unless they sign and trade him. Beef Stu or Sims would be nice.

[return2glory]

Lots of flexibility. I’d start Rob though I think. I really like Horford as 6th man.

Brogdon with be our 6th man since he was the 6th man of the year. But I get what you are saying. But I would start Al over round. I want Rob traded or used as our 4th big on this current roster. He has proven, year in and year out that he can't be counted on.
If Brad can find a way to get Beef Stu or Jericho Sims, that would be nice.

Al might be 36 but Rob goes up and down the court like he is 46.

[return2glory]

Rob didn't play earlier in the year bro.

That I thought was obvious, pal. I of course meant earlier in the year when Rob was playing. Jeesh!

Eh, I think Rob played poorly in his first games back because of rust. He wasn't good in the playoffs though. He still has too many mental lapses.

Listen, I don't think you can talk bad about Rob on this forum. I believe there might be some unspoken rule against it.

[celticfan42487]

Well, KP is slow for a Center by today's standards so I don't want him at PF.

Honestly I feel like you're throwing away everything that's special about KP on offense if you play him next to a big that CAN'T hit a 3.

If we're going to go with a White/Brogdon PG rotation. If we're going to have KP and Brown as the best we can do for secondary playmaking...

Okay than we better play 5 out with 3 point shooting to keep the rim open because we're going to want JB to be able to have one step drives to the basket to score. Same for KP.

KP is a lot like Malcom where he can drive to a wide open basket off the threat from his 3 as well.

So while I think I'd rather see a free agent like Christian Wood at the 4 next to KP, or sign Joe Ingles and have Tatum be the small ball 4 next to KP.

This maximizes KP's value on defense as a slow drop coverage shot blocker. But in leui of a better roster composition, then I'd rather see Horford or Grant Williams if he's here next to KP (although neither have enough wiggle to really attack the rim to be the 5 out you're hoping for next to KP at the 5 so they're not ideal).

But yeah, if White and Brogodon are our PGs. And our secondary stars are JB/KP... that's no playmaking. So you better surround your team with shooting in AT LEAST the starting lineup. And KP is too slow to play anything other than Center and even at that you have to know he's going to be slower than most Centers we play.

[GoGreen]

Well it's funny, we have big man depth and we don't, hah.

An aging Al, a historically injury prone KP and an oft-hurt Rob. Everyone's minutes will probably need to be managed to a degree. I'd like to see Rob start but I don't think he can handle much more than 25 minutes a night. KP around 30, and Al around 20-25?

I dont know if they'll add one but Cs may need another big. I just don't know if I trust this group to stay on the court or in Al's case, stay effective.

Theory: Malcolm gets moved for a big and Rob gets moved for a guard?

[steefP2]

Well, KP is slow for a Center by today's standards so I don't want him at PF.

Honestly I feel like you're throwing away everything that's special about KP on offense if you play him next to a big that CAN'T hit a 3.

If we're going to go with a White/Brogdon PG rotation. If we're going to have KP and Brown as the best we can do for secondary playmaking...

Okay than we better play 5 out with 3 point shooting to keep the rim open because we're going to want JB to be able to have one step drives to the basket to score. Same for KP.

KP is a lot like Malcom where he can drive to a wide open basket off the threat from his 3 as well.

So while I think I'd rather see a free agent like Christian Wood at the 4 next to KP, or sign Joe Ingles and have Tatum be the small ball 4 next to KP.

This maximizes KP's value on defense as a slow drop coverage shot blocker. But in leui of a better roster composition, then I'd rather see Horford or Grant Williams if he's here next to KP (although neither have enough wiggle to really attack the rim to be the 5 out you're hoping for next to KP at the 5 so they're not ideal).

But yeah, if White and Brogodon are our PGs. And our secondary stars are JB/KP... that's no playmaking. So you better surround your team with shooting in AT LEAST the starting lineup. And KP is too slow to play anything other than Center and even at that you have to know he's going to be slower than most Centers we play.

The lineup data would suggest otherwise, he played almost a third of his minutes last year next to gafford, a strictly rim running big and those lineups were wildly more successful that any other combo.

[Parliament10]

A couple of questions here. I think he’s best suited at the 4 as steefP2 points out but I do understand if you guys want him to start at the 5

Been going over some zinger stuff and it’s been eye opening that he’s really a 4. All his best numbers come when he’s at the 4. Wizards best lineup was with zinger and gafford together. So when you think of him as a 4; he’s an elite rim protector, great scorer and good passer for the position. Lacks mobility on the perimeter defensively for a 4 but our bigs are versatile enough we can help him out there.

If he does start at the 4 who is the better fit at the 5 alongside him, Rob or Al ?

I think that you start Rob next to Porzingis. You can pull Rob (or KP for that matter) early, and bring in Horford.
ATM (at the moment) you can bring in Grant as the 4th Big.

We need to continue to fill out the 3rd Unit, with some more Bigs.

[Parliament10]

A couple of questions here. I think he’s best suited at the 4 as steefP2 points out but I do understand if you guys want him to start at the 5

Been going over some zinger stuff and it’s been eye opening that he’s really a 4. All his best numbers come when he’s at the 4. Wizards best lineup was with zinger and gafford together. So when you think of him as a 4; he’s an elite rim protector, great scorer and good passer for the position. Lacks mobility on the perimeter defensively for a 4 but our bigs are versatile enough we can help him out there.

If he does start at the 4 who is the better fit at the 5 alongside him, Rob or Al ?

Hey Floody, is it alright if I add a Poll?

Spoiler:

Porzingis Start at 4
Porzingis Start at 5
Porzingis Off Bench
Rob Williams Start
Rob Williams Off Bench
Horford Start at 4
Horford Start at 5
Horford Off Bench
Other Starter
Ohter Off Bench

[Ben-N1ce]

There is no justification to start Al or play him more than 20 minutes a game.

[Roger Federer]

Horfor is toast. He can come off the bench to relieve Porzingis/Rob but they really need to sign one more serviceable big to sure up the front court.

[Waider]

Like most seem to, I think Rob. Horford off the bench would be a great thing for both the team and him as an individual. I really like our likely starting 5 in that instance.

[captain green]

I'm thinking white Brogdon brown Tatum unicorn
Pp, mader, huaser horford timelord
JD bagarin, walsh, Griffin, Kornet
To me that's balance and imo the best rotation
So to answer the question I see him as the 5
Plus that's if the foreign prospects get signed and pp and Brogdon don't get traded.

[tleikheen]

KP is a Center .he likes Center over PF. In Dallas they misplayed him sticking him in the corners and having Powell in the roller role . How'd that all turnout ,Dallas regressed right out of the playoffs.
Wizards played him on top of the key where he was involved in all the plays and he enjoyed a stellar career yr. He played C/PF with Gafford avging 20 mpg. in the Center position.
When only one guy averaged more pts per possession better in the post and his name is Jokic than it makes no sense to take him away from where he plays his best BB. Gaffords best offense is rolling to the basket similar to Robert Wms.

[Floody100]

A couple of questions here. I think he’s best suited at the 4 as steefP2 points out but I do understand if you guys want him to start at the 5

Been going over some zinger stuff and it’s been eye opening that he’s really a 4. All his best numbers come when he’s at the 4. Wizards best lineup was with zinger and gafford together. So when you think of him as a 4; he’s an elite rim protector, great scorer and good passer for the position. Lacks mobility on the perimeter defensively for a 4 but our bigs are versatile enough we can help him out there.

If he does start at the 4 who is the better fit at the 5 alongside him, Rob or Al ?

Hey Floody, is it alright if I add a Poll?

Spoiler:

Porzingis Start at 4
Porzingis Start at 5
Porzingis Off Bench
Rob Williams Start
Rob Williams Off Bench
Horford Start at 4
Horford Start at 5
Horford Off Bench
Other Starter
Ohter Off Bench

Of course, go for it mate

[Floody100]

I'm thinking white Brogdon brown Tatum unicorn
Pp, mader, huaser horford timelord
JD bagarin, walsh, Griffin, Kornet
To me that's balance and imo the best rotation
So to answer the question I see him as the 5
Plus that's if the foreign prospects get signed and pp and Brogdon don't get traded.

Not enough scoring on the bench. Brogdon’s perfect as the 6th man

[jfs1000d]

If zinger is at the 4, Rob should be the 5. Horford needs his minutes managed and is a backup player at this stage of his career. And, that js OK.


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