Trade Ideas

[tundraknight]

Report: Cavs holding conversations with Nets, Blazers, Pacers, Hornets and Jazz about moving into 1st round

https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/06/22/report-cavs-holding-conversations-with-nets-blazers-pacers-hornets-and-jazz-about-moving-into-1st-round/

[jbk1234]

Report: Cavs holding conversations with Nets, Blazers, Pacers, Hornets and Jazz about moving into 1st round

https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/06/22/report-cavs-holding-conversations-with-nets-blazers-pacers-hornets-and-jazz-about-moving-into-1st-round/

Altman needs to stop trading with Ainge. Ainge probably has standing orders to interrupt him regardless of what he's doing if Kobe calls.

[JujitsuFlip]

Report: Cavs holding conversations with Nets, Blazers, Pacers, Hornets and Jazz about moving into 1st round

https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/06/22/report-cavs-holding-conversations-with-nets-blazers-pacers-hornets-and-jazz-about-moving-into-1st-round/

Altman needs to stop trading with Ainge. Ainge probably has standing orders to interrupt him regardless of what he's doing if Kobe calls.

Lololol Ainge loves getting over on him.

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[JonFromVA]

Report: Cavs holding conversations with Nets, Blazers, Pacers, Hornets and Jazz about moving into 1st round

https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/06/22/report-cavs-holding-conversations-with-nets-blazers-pacers-hornets-and-jazz-about-moving-into-1st-round/

Altman needs to stop trading with Ainge. Ainge probably has standing orders to interrupt him regardless of what he's doing if Kobe calls.

Presumably a deal of that level is between Gansey and Zanick, but I'm just assuming Altman lets Gansey actually act like our GM from time to time

Life has changed for Koby Altman now that he's more of a beggar than a chooser, but his successful moves should buy him a lot more rope than impatient fans seem willing to give him. Walking away will always be the primary means to avoid being ripped off or taken advantage of in a deal.

[jbk1234]

Report: Cavs holding conversations with Nets, Blazers, Pacers, Hornets and Jazz about moving into 1st round

https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/06/22/report-cavs-holding-conversations-with-nets-blazers-pacers-hornets-and-jazz-about-moving-into-1st-round/

Altman needs to stop trading with Ainge. Ainge probably has standing orders to interrupt him regardless of what he's doing if Kobe calls.

Presumably a deal of that level is between Gansey and Zanick, but I'm just assuming Altman lets Gansey actually act like our GM from time to time

Life has changed for Koby Altman now that he's more of a beggar than a chooser, but his successful moves should buy him a lot more rope than impatient fans seem willing to give him. Walking away will always be the primary means to avoid being ripped off or taken advantage of in a deal.

I'd say the George Hill trade, where the Cavs got back a first in a salary dump, the Allen trade where we used that 1st, and the Prince/Rubio trades were good. But his record on other trades is decidedly mixed.

[ijspeelman]

Altman needs to stop trading with Ainge. Ainge probably has standing orders to interrupt him regardless of what he's doing if Kobe calls.

Presumably a deal of that level is between Gansey and Zanick, but I'm just assuming Altman lets Gansey actually act like our GM from time to time

Life has changed for Koby Altman now that he's more of a beggar than a chooser, but his successful moves should buy him a lot more rope than impatient fans seem willing to give him. Walking away will always be the primary means to avoid being ripped off or taken advantage of in a deal.

I'd say the George Hill trade, where the Cavs got back a first in a salary dump, the Allen trade where we used that 1st, and the Prince/Rubio trades were good. But his record on other trades is decidedly mixed.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/altmako01x.html

^ all of Koby's moves btw.

There are a few small moves that netted us FRPs and SRPs in there that aren't as big. The one for Windler and then some future seconds.

I'm kind of ignoring the Irving trade and subsequent contender trades during that era. A lot of those trades are the building blocks for where we are today. Its hard to say if they were specifically good or not.

[JonFromVA]

Altman needs to stop trading with Ainge. Ainge probably has standing orders to interrupt him regardless of what he's doing if Kobe calls.

Presumably a deal of that level is between Gansey and Zanick, but I'm just assuming Altman lets Gansey actually act like our GM from time to time

Life has changed for Koby Altman now that he's more of a beggar than a chooser, but his successful moves should buy him a lot more rope than impatient fans seem willing to give him. Walking away will always be the primary means to avoid being ripped off or taken advantage of in a deal.

I'd say the George Hill trade, where the Cavs got back a first in a salary dump, the Allen trade where we used that 1st, and the Prince/Rubio trades were good. But his record on other trades is decidedly mixed.

You didn't mention his most relevant trade as we hunt for a solution at SF was the one that got us Lauri Markkanen combined with the controversial decision to not just slot him in as our backup-backup-PF but as our SF.

Heck, it was the success of that trade and the hope that Agbaji might become the 3&D wing we need that's the primary reason fans see the Mitchell trade as an overpay.

And while the Garland, Mobley, Okoro, and Sexton picks were not trades, I think they do speak to Altman's priorities and willingness to take risks while paying attention to team culture.

Even the Mobley pick who everyone knew was a top-3 prospect tells us something. We did after all still have Allen/Nance/Love and Altman could have been tempted to take a shot on Barnes or Kuminga for instance to address that hole at SF.

Of course maybe we still have Nance Jr and that whole chain of events falls apart if Larry had realized what the Cavs were sitting on and that the Blazers would end up picking at #3 this season.

[jbk1234]

Presumably a deal of that level is between Gansey and Zanick, but I'm just assuming Altman lets Gansey actually act like our GM from time to time

Life has changed for Koby Altman now that he's more of a beggar than a chooser, but his successful moves should buy him a lot more rope than impatient fans seem willing to give him. Walking away will always be the primary means to avoid being ripped off or taken advantage of in a deal.

I'd say the George Hill trade, where the Cavs got back a first in a salary dump, the Allen trade where we used that 1st, and the Prince/Rubio trades were good. But his record on other trades is decidedly mixed.

You didn't mention his most relevant trade as we hunt for a solution at SF was the one that got us Lauri Markkanen combined with the controversial decision to not just slot him in as our backup-backup-PF but as our SF.

Heck, it was the success of that trade and the hope that Agbaji might become the 3&D wing we need that's the primary reason fans see the Mitchell trade as an overpay.

And while the Garland, Mobley, Okoro, and Sexton picks were not trades, I think they do speak to Altman's priorities and willingness to take risks while paying attention to team culture.

Even the Mobley pick who everyone knew was a top-3 prospect tells us something. We did after all still have Allen/Nance/Love and Altman could have been tempted to take a shot on Barnes or Kuminga for instance to address that hole at SF.

Of course maybe we still have Nance Jr and that whole chain of events falls apart if Larry had realized what the Cavs were sitting on and that the Blazers would end up picking at #3 this season.

Go back a step further, we traded our first and future cap space, in what everyone understood was LBJ's last year here, for Nance and Clarkson.
While the value was probably *fair* the Lakers were desperate to clear that space and there weren't a lot of teams anxious to help them out.

So a first for Nance (who became to Lauri).

The Nets pick and Zizic were the only remnants of the Kyrie trade on roster after that deadline. The Nets pick became Sexton.

We just selected Agbaji.

All of that, plus five years of firsts, went out for Mitchell. We traded the equivalent of eight firsts for Mitchell. That was six months after giving up a first, a really good second, and future cap for LeVert (again it's not clear there was even another team offering expirings and a first). The Jazz wouldn't take LeVert even on an expiring deal in the Mitchell trade.

I don't know, but that's a ton of outgoing value even if you give Altman a pass for what we got back for Kyrie.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'd say the George Hill trade, where the Cavs got back a first in a salary dump, the Allen trade where we used that 1st, and the Prince/Rubio trades were good. But his record on other trades is decidedly mixed.

You didn't mention his most relevant trade as we hunt for a solution at SF was the one that got us Lauri Markkanen combined with the controversial decision to not just slot him in as our backup-backup-PF but as our SF.

Heck, it was the success of that trade and the hope that Agbaji might become the 3&D wing we need that's the primary reason fans see the Mitchell trade as an overpay.

And while the Garland, Mobley, Okoro, and Sexton picks were not trades, I think they do speak to Altman's priorities and willingness to take risks while paying attention to team culture.

Even the Mobley pick who everyone knew was a top-3 prospect tells us something. We did after all still have Allen/Nance/Love and Altman could have been tempted to take a shot on Barnes or Kuminga for instance to address that hole at SF.

Of course maybe we still have Nance Jr and that whole chain of events falls apart if Larry had realized what the Cavs were sitting on and that the Blazers would end up picking at #3 this season.

Go back a step further, we traded our first and future cap space, in what everyone understood was LBJ's last year here, for Nance and Clarkson.
While the value was probably *fair* the Lakers were desperate to clear that space and there weren't a lot of teams anxious to help them out.

So a first for Nance (who became to Lauri).

The Nets pick and Zizic were the only remnants of the Kyrie trade on roster after that deadline. The Nets pick became Sexton.

We just selected Agbaji.

All of that, plus five years of firsts, went out for Mitchell. We traded the equivalent of eight firsts for Mitchell. That was six months after giving up a first, a really good second, and future cap for LeVert (again it's not clear there was even another team offering expirings and a first). The Jazz wouldn't take LeVert even on an expiring deal in the Mitchell trade.

I don't know, but that's a ton of outgoing value even if you give Altman a pass for what we got back for Kyrie.

Plus in the Nance/Markkanen trade, somehow the only 1st in that three team trade went to the Bulls, which at the time, was a bit perplexing.

[jbk1234]

You didn't mention his most relevant trade as we hunt for a solution at SF was the one that got us Lauri Markkanen combined with the controversial decision to not just slot him in as our backup-backup-PF but as our SF.

Heck, it was the success of that trade and the hope that Agbaji might become the 3&D wing we need that's the primary reason fans see the Mitchell trade as an overpay.

And while the Garland, Mobley, Okoro, and Sexton picks were not trades, I think they do speak to Altman's priorities and willingness to take risks while paying attention to team culture.

Even the Mobley pick who everyone knew was a top-3 prospect tells us something. We did after all still have Allen/Nance/Love and Altman could have been tempted to take a shot on Barnes or Kuminga for instance to address that hole at SF.

Of course maybe we still have Nance Jr and that whole chain of events falls apart if Larry had realized what the Cavs were sitting on and that the Blazers would end up picking at #3 this season.

Go back a step further, we traded our first and future cap space, in what everyone understood was LBJ's last year here, for Nance and Clarkson.
While the value was probably *fair* the Lakers were desperate to clear that space and there weren't a lot of teams anxious to help them out.

So a first for Nance (who became to Lauri).

The Nets pick and Zizic were the only remnants of the Kyrie trade on roster after that deadline. The Nets pick became Sexton.

We just selected Agbaji.

All of that, plus five years of firsts, went out for Mitchell. We traded the equivalent of eight firsts for Mitchell. That was six months after giving up a first, a really good second, and future cap for LeVert (again it's not clear there was even another team offering expirings and a first). The Jazz wouldn't take LeVert even on an expiring deal in the Mitchell trade.

I don't know, but that's a ton of outgoing value even if you give Altman a pass for what we got back for Kyrie.

Plus in the Nance/Markkanen trade, somehow the only 1st in that three team trade went to the Bulls, which at the time, was a bit perplexing.

We could've gotten the 1st and passed on Lauri, but Altman made the right call there.

[axeman23]

With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.

Rubio isn't "broken-down", he's coming back from a significant injury where the 2nd year back is where you start to see improvement, not the first. Gallo also tore his ACL, and MISSED all of last season. So you'll be swapping our guy who has blown most of the cobwebs out, for a guy right at the START of that journey, who also happens to be 2 years older. And as mentioned, just wait for them to be cut instead of needlessly burning an asset.

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[JujitsuFlip]

With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.

Rubio isn't "broken-down", he's coming back from a significant injury where the 2nd year back is where you start to see improvement, not the first. Gallo also tore his ACL, and MISSED all of last season. So you'll be swapping our guy who has blown most of the cobwebs out, for a guy right at the START of that journey, who also happens to be 2 years older. And as mentioned, just wait for them to be cut instead of needlessly burning an asset.

The guy has already spoke about retirement publicly twice since the Cavs got smacked outta the playoffs. He's not the long-term solution at back-up PG, if the Cavs can get a different piece for him, give it a go.

Koby sits on his hands is getting old after pushing all the chips in on the Mitchell trade.

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If we can pull off grabbing either of John Collins or De’Andre Hunter for cheap… holy ****.

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If we can pull off grabbing either of John Collins or De’Andre Hunter for cheap… holy ****.

Collins has a horrendous contract.

Hunter on the other hand would be a good fit at starting SF for this team.

I'd offer Okoro, Rubio, Cedi, first round swaps in 2026 & 2028, then 2024 second from Cavs and Warriors, 2025 second from Cavs and Bucks, 2026 second from Cavs and Lakers, and 2027 second from Cavs and Nuggets for Hunter and Bey.

Package probably wouldn't be enough but I'd at least offer it.

[JonFromVA]

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If we can pull off grabbing either of John Collins or De’Andre Hunter for cheap… holy ****.

Well, if they're basically negative assets on their current contracts, it could be a possibility; but we'd need to justify why they wouldn't be a negative asset for us - and/or why our need is such that we don't care.

Hunter was putting up incredible numbers when he entered the league and before he started getting injured; but he's really fallen off the last two seasons. He does have that sweet 7'2" wingspan and he's 3 years younger than Caris, but he's going to be getting $20M this season on an escalating contract. So, compare him to LeVert who might be available for less, shot the 3-ball better, and generates more steals and assists.

Collins has also had a huge drop off in performance (shot 29% from 3pt) since getting caught using PEDs and suffered various injuries and we can't assume a chance of scenery will lead to a rejuvenation.

We'd need to save Atlanta some money, but I trust Altman can figure out a way to do that via cap manipulation.

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If we can pull off grabbing either of John Collins or De’Andre Hunter for cheap… holy ****.

Collins has a horrendous contract.

Hunter on the other hand would be a good fit at starting SF for this team.

I'd offer Okoro, Rubio, Cedi, first round swaps in 2026 & 2028, then 2024 second from Cavs and Warriors, 2025 second from Cavs and Bucks, 2026 second from Cavs and Lakers, and 2027 second from Cavs and Nuggets for Hunter and Bey.

Package probably wouldn't be enough but I'd at least offer it.

What the Hawks are seeking, above all else is immediate salary relief. Okoro and swaps to the Hawks. Cedi, or Rubio, and seconds to a third team.

[JujitsuFlip]

If we can pull off grabbing either of John Collins or De’Andre Hunter for cheap… holy ****.

Collins has a horrendous contract.

Hunter on the other hand would be a good fit at starting SF for this team.

I'd offer Okoro, Rubio, Cedi, first round swaps in 2026 & 2028, then 2024 second from Cavs and Warriors, 2025 second from Cavs and Bucks, 2026 second from Cavs and Lakers, and 2027 second from Cavs and Nuggets for Hunter and Bey.

Package probably wouldn't be enough but I'd at least offer it.

What the Hawks are seeking, above all else is immediate salary relief. Okoro and swaps to the Hawks. Cedi, or Rubio, and seconds to a third team.

Shoot, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Hunter at 25 is young and with the cap going up his contract will be near MLE money soon enough.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.