Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[itrsteve]

Brown has very poor basketball sense. It's been that way since he arrived. I don't expect that to ever change. To have 35% of your cap tied up in such a player will not end well.

Pisses me off we are keeping this mother **** around at the cost of a king’s ransom.

****!

I'm not going to be as vile as he's a good person, solid player and I appreciate his decent trajectory these past couple years.

Just not a 35% of your cap sort of player, we have one of those already. If this is what happens it feels like it's going to be a Wizards sort of death blow to the decent momentum of the franchise which we will never recover from.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Off The Pike pod someone mentioned yesterday-

They saw Marcus push past Joe to lead timeouts
Marcus checked himself into the game a few times without being asked
Smart thought it was his team
Thinks he’s better than he is, thinks he’s a top 25 player
They think Joe was reluctant to bench him

Last heart and soul player with a grip on a clubhouse was also traded for a 3&D unicorn center..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Aaron Gordon is an interesting comp for Jaylen for a role demotion:

AG was asked to do way too much in Orlando, turnover machine, all his flaws on display. THRIVING in Denver by playing to his strengths.

Jaylen is a clutch number two scorer who struggles with defensive attention when Tatum’s out and doesn’t make his teammates better.

He could improve at the second, maybe. But with another top-tier offensive threat he could easily put up 23-25 with high efficiency and fewer turnovers.

He’s just not a supermax guy. All-NBA is flukey, he’s not a top ten player and he wasn’t a top ten player last year. He’s accumulated borderline superstar quality and hype and he’s an all-star talent.

[Half-Full]

Off The Pike pod someone mentioned yesterday-

They saw Marcus push past Joe to lead timeouts
Marcus checked himself into the game a few times without being asked
Smart thought it was his team
Thinks he’s better than he is, thinks he’s a top 25 player
They think Joe was reluctant to bench him

Last heart and soul player with a grip on a clubhouse was also traded for a 3&D unicorn center..

Well, if all of that is true, it likely made the decision to part ways a little easier. I have a lot of respect for Marcus, and he was my favorite player, but the team needed a shakeup, and the more one considered all of the factors involved, the more it became obvious that Marcus was the logical choice to go. Good luck to him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brogdon was the obvious choice. You don't mess with chemistry immediately, you trade one injury risk for another, and you have time to wait for Smart offers or go into the season and watch how they gel. But they didn't hesitate to move Marcus.

[SuperDeluxe]

Garbage player!

Great post. So erudite and well reasoned. You really shouldn’t have gone to all this trouble to amass such overwhelming evidence.

Here is your evidence

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Keep these posters in your room!

Much like with Aron Baynes, your measure for a player's quality is the PQDA* stat. Awesome. Front offices still have a lot to learn.


*Poster-Quality Dunks Against

[GoGreen]

Yes I listened to that podcast with bill and his father too. A lot of inside info on Marcus that, to me anyway, didn't seem too surprising.

He certainly loved it here and I always appreciate that, however I always did get the feeling he felt like this was his team, and perhaps was impeding the growth of the Jays as leaders.

Marcus was a polarizing figure, lots of good and lots of not so good. I also think it was time to part from him and this return - KP, a 1st rounder and what turned into 4 future 2nds and Walsh - was about as good as you could get imo.

[Andrew McCeltic]

OT, highest odds in awhile a free agent's going to bail on a winner this year. Whether it's Dray, Lopez, Jerami Grant, or Harden.. Probably not Middleton but maybe Vucevic.

[Scarletfire81]

Jaylen will be supermaxed. This is Tatum & JBs team, good or bad, I guess we should embrace it.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I still think our best bet would be buying low on Trae Young. SEnd Brown to Atlanta, hes from their making him more likely to resign, potentially swapping collins and brogdon or however ATL would want, add some picks to balance as needed.

Youngs coming off a down year but I think he would thrive with tatum and porzingis , we'd get a distributer and I feel traes efficiency would go up with the better supporting cast. Our defense may take a hit but Browns D is vastly overrated anyways

Trae for Brown and we add pieces as needed

Trae for brown is certainly intriguing.

Trae dramatically improves our playmaking.

And trae, tatum, kp form a nasty trio.


Brown and brogdon
For
Trae, okongwu and griffin

Save 4 million on deal

Sign and trade grant for suggs

Vet min on griffin
Maybe tpmle on vet pg/sg for depth

Trae/pritchard/davidson
White/suggs/walsh
Tatum/griffin/hauser
Kristaps/horford/griffin
Timelord/okongwu/kornet

I said this right after the KP trade happened -- Trae for JB makes too much sense for everyone. ATL gets a shakeup from treadmill city and a true face of the franchise player who is a hometown boy, and they've got Murray to take his spot. We get a playmaker like we haven't had in forever and a guy who balances our roster, gives us spacing, and can take over games on occasion. Trae is a poor #1 but a great #3. His D sucks but you can hide that more at the PG spot, especially with Rob and KP at the rim. Plus we have a vacancy at the flopper spot now, Trae might even be an upgrade there

Would you rather pay JB $40m or Trae? Because no way JB is getting less than that, and maybe more. It's a close call (which is why it's a fair trade) but given our roster makeup Trae is a bigger need and better fit.

Obviously ATL has said they aren't trading Trae. "We like our guys."

I think we'd need to get back Hunter rather than Okongwu in the trade to take JB's minutes, so Trae and Hunter for JB and Brogdon (if that works salary wise). I've always thought Atlanta was the best trade partner for JB. This would be good in terms of fit.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I think there is a less than 0% chance Brown gets traded now. I wasn't so sure going into the draft, but it doesn't really make sense.

Tatum, Brown, KP, White and Rob is about as elite as it gets. I'm not totally against trading JB. But people are acting as if him and Tatum are not going to improve this season. They're just now starting to enter their prime. Fill out the roster...see how it goes. If they do end up really needing a ball dominant PG, then I'm sure someone will shake free at the deadline

Brown has very poor basketball sense. It's been that way since he arrived. I don't expect that to ever change. To have 35% of your cap tied up in such a player will not end well.

I’m still hoping we can get less than 35%. Maybe he could compromise at 32 or 33%.

Yeah, that's definitely less bad, for sure.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If you think Jaylen Brown is overrated you won't like Trae Young for long..

[Half-Full]

Brogdon was the obvious choice. You don't mess with chemistry immediately, you trade one injury risk for another, and you have time to wait for Smart offers or go into the season and watch how they gel. But they didn't hesitate to move Marcus.

Yes, Brogdon was, until his injury became a factor, and the Clippers deal fell through. At that point, Marcus became the logical choice.

[Higgs Boston]

The team is more balanced but it's still flawed, porzingis can play as PF mainly in RS but in the playoffs his best position is C unless there is a good matchup.
I would go in this direction.

Brogdon (third team) and assets for OG and flynn.

If it's not OG then
other starter wing

Pritchard, kornet, flynn [filler brogdon trade], second for monte morris

MLE bates diop or other SF.

white, morris, jd
brown, diop, vet pg
tatum, hauser
og, horford
porzingis, timelord

Next season trade porzingis or timelord depending on performance and salaries.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Concerning the Trae for JB comments...

Trae would help play-making-shooting scoring for sure.

But if posters thought that Tatum might leave Boston if Brown was traded, then how about when Trae starts pulling up deep and dominate the ball??? Or when Crunch time happens and Trae makes Tatum the 2nd option?? Not to mention the defensive deficiency that Trae inevitably Brings to his team's defense when trying to protect him??

Would I consider that trade, yes! But would lean on No.

I would rather take D Murray and Hunter + James Johnson For JB and Grant S&T.

Do think Atlanta is the one team that may not fear being able to resign JB next summer so they should be the team to consider.

That's the thing about Atlanta. They've got a lot of useful guys and many ways to make a trade that makes sense for both teams.

[Shak_Celts]

Off The Pike pod someone mentioned yesterday-

They saw Marcus push past Joe to lead timeouts
Marcus checked himself into the game a few times without being asked
Smart thought it was his team
Thinks he’s better than he is, thinks he’s a top 25 player
They think Joe was reluctant to bench him

Last heart and soul player with a grip on a clubhouse was also traded for a 3&D unicorn center..

This could all be true. This trade doesn't prove anything because it wasn't going to be Smart initially. They were going to keep him even if it all is true! Brad keeps saying they wanted to spread the talent more evenly, one guard had to go. I don't think it was going to be White, they are into statistics. They tried Brogdon but it fell apart, next in line was Smart because we weren't getting diddly squat for Pritchard. Smart was the only other choice because he had (major) value.

They didn't choose JB over Smart, they chose to move a guard because we had 3 top tier and one okay one, but were lacking in the middle. After JB we had maybe Hauser (didn't play in the playoffs) and well wishes.

Not for that package, he could bring more, but I would have traded JB 10/10 before Smart, I'm hurt! Doesn't mean they chose Brown over him.

[CelticsPride18]

I really hate Boston media especially after a player gets traded or leaves.

[steefP2]

I’m still firmly of the belief they would’ve done the Marcus deal with the grizz even if the original brogdon deal would’ve happened. Smart for the 2 first and tyus coming here

[cloverleaf]

I’m still firmly of the belief they would’ve done the Marcus deal with the grizz even if the original brogdon deal would’ve happened. Smart for the 2 first and tyus coming here

And another Dukie for JT.

But I'm not looking for a sub-6' PG. That's shorter than Pritchard.

[jordb2k7]

I’m still firmly of the belief they would’ve done the Marcus deal with the grizz even if the original brogdon deal would’ve happened. Smart for the 2 first and tyus coming here

I agree they didn’t just put that deal together in an hour. There had been discussions prior

Just thought of this but assuming both trades happened…wouldn’t it also have lowered our team salary? Making it easier to keep Grant and have the tax MLE?