The Jett Howard Thread

[bigdogdylan5]

Ok with regard to draft picks I think we should talk about them different then even like 24-25 year old on your roster. The kid is 20 years old we have no idea what he will become. It’s all projection. You’re not picking the player now you’re picking who you think he will be in 4 years. Pepe you might be right but I think you really go to town finding flaws in these kids who are nowhere near where they need to be. Redick defense was terrible and he was not an athlete but damn he got better and by his later magic years he was able to stay on the court. Will see if Jett has that same drive to work and get stronger or quicker as he develops. As I look at Jett vs Dick now I don’t see much difference yes Grady might be a little bigger and more athletic now but who knows if he is able to stay that way. Also Grady is not some excellent defender he is barely passable at the NBA level. He got abused in college too.

[dsg2021]

The issue with analyzing Jett is you're going to get some people who don't allow too much commentary or analysis on him post-injury. Because it makes more sense to look at his gametape pre-injury rather than post-injury.

So here are some Jett Howard defensive possessions, mostly pre-injury I believe. He averaged about 1 Block per game in this pre-injury period. And I'd say being known for the threat of blocking a shot is a more powerful form of defense than it is given credit for.

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[yoyojw17]

You realize Jett averaged 0,3 apg more than Dick? And most of his assists were entery paces to paint to 7'1 center who shoots hook shots and averages near 20 ppg? This was one of biggest mistakes of Suggs evaluation as playmaker, most of his 'playmaking" was ball feeding Timme

It doesn’t matter if he is passing to a 7’1” guy or not. The fact that they can assist off a pick and roll means they are capable of reading the situation, and still have a positive a:to ratio.

I like Grady and Hawkins, in fact they are better shooters than Jett. But Jett is a more complete offensive player than them. Jett can create better on offense than both Grady and Hawkins. Look at the shots or even highlights (if you dont have time), of all 3, you can see Jett is the only player that can put the ball down and create his own shot. Grady’s pullup jumper are mostly coming from the 1-2 combo dribble to get his rhythm.

If you’re looking at the archetype of players WeHam are drafting, those are players than can play make and have the ability to create their own shot, starting from the year they drafted Cole Anthony. Even Okeke was a capable shot maker in Auburn. Only Caleb Houstan was really the 3&d guy they have drafted so far.

Solve me one simple question:

how many pick&rolls Jett Howard had in his college career.

I'll wait.


This whole notion of him being some hidden gem of pick&roll maestro is a joke. It reminds me of Jabari Smith alleged elite defense that literally was never on display but was affected by Kessler just existing as best shot blocker in past decade. In same sense lot of stuff Jett is now credited for, have nothing to do with him but with Di ckinson bing one of best all around center at college hoops last year. ( can easly make argument for being the best C at college last year without much competition).

For example MItchigan would run set play where ballhandler hands off ball to Jett on top of key, he curls to his right on already set screen of Dicknson and shoots mid range jumper. Is that "pick&roll" paly in your books?


Look, Jett Howard played for his damn father out of all people to be in best position possible to have sucess ,on very mediocre team. And best he could do is 14-2,5-2 on 56% TS. ( 41FG, 36,8% for 3)

For all " Kevin Hueter " campers, Huerter averaged 15 ppg, 5 rpg and 3,4 apg on 50% FG and 42% for 3. on 64% TS.
Albet on his second seasaon, But at same age as Jett. And drafted 19th. Not in lottery.


It's just lot of demage control posted here for people that need to feel better about pick. Nobody had Jett that high among us because he simply didn't show he can be more than just your average spot up shooter , 3 and D guy with pretty average on ball defense and below average off ball defense. And very poor pick&roll defense.

This pick isn't high ceiling pick, and isn't even "fit" pick because he flat out can't play SG and we just fried 11th pick on player and position who will be stuck behind Wagner as backup SF until he is FA or Franz gets hurt.
And i'm not 100% sure that he is today significant upgrade over Okeke nor Houstan. Maybe in year or two.

"And i'm not 100% sure that he is today significant upgrade over Okeke nor Houstan. Maybe in year or two."

Wait... So you expected immediate returns from him... And other players in the draft. Lol. No matter what players do before entering the league... There is a wide outcome of what will happen to them while in the league. If there was no such uncertainty ,... We would know the order of players based on talent alone. Like if they had a number system or rating in 2k. That is not the case. They found the player that they believe will project into the future as a great addition. And if that is running pick n rolls with our big and dumping it off for easy looks.... Amongst other things.... So be it.

The guys haven't set foot on the court yet and somehow people feel as though "they already know"

Unlike GMs our opinions don't matter.... Because they only get one shot at these picks and they are the ones that will have to live with the good, the bad, the ugly. Us on these boards ... No matter will open our mouths when we can say "I told you so" and ignore the times we championed someone that sucked or was hard on those that became great.... Or anything else in between.

If the FO made the play.... Thats because they believe in the quality of their research.... And that can still fail. The amount of caution and research that our FO does makes me feel as though I should try and seek their "why?" And not simply get mad or frustrated because they didn't do what I would have done with my measley information and YouTube videos, stats on a piece of paper, etc.

[bigdogdylan5]

The issue with analyzing Jett is you're going to get some people who don't allow too much commentary or analysis on him post-injury. Because it makes more sense to look at his gametape pre-injury rather than post-injury.

So here are some Jett Howard defensive possessions, mostly pre-injury I believe. He averaged about 1 Block per game in this pre-injury period. And I'd say being known for the threat of blocking a shot is a more powerful form of defense than it is given credit for.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

I feel like if our team had a normal injury history to it this reasoning would resonate more with us as a fan base. I think you are right his athleticism was sapped by the injury. But because of Isaac and now Suggs to a lesser extent we as a fan base have become so injury adverse we throw the baby out with the bath water.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Hey I will say this, Jett Howard wouldnt have been my pick at #11. He wouldnt have been my pick at #20.

But I respect the hell out of our FO for drafting based on their scouting and not the mocks.

[basketballRob]

Jett also played a lot of weak schools early in the schedule.



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[Knightro]

Jett also played a lot of weak schools early in the schedule.

Out of conference is usually weaker than conference play, but Howard did play 6 conference games before getting hurt...

15.5 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.7 APG, 0.3 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 1.3 TOPG, 4.7-12.2, .384 FG%, 3.0-7.7, .391 3PT%, 3.2-3.2 FT, 1.000 FT%.

[Nyce_1]

Ok everyone I finally found it! A podcast of draft people who actually like the Jett Howard pick!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1e0nqDBB9WqDUvCEITbOq7?si=g5_eumowTWiGU0lS-yBT5g&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A1uonUntTi8IgoMMLx1KydM

No ceilings 2023 draft pre-show and lottery episode

Starting at 1:45:00

This is another good podcast to listen to.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy83MGQ3N2E4OC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw/episode/YThkYWE0MGUtMGU2ZC00ODdkLWJkYWMtMGE5Mjg2NjQ1OWM3?ep=14

[RookieStar]

As I said, I still believe Jett is NOT a guard but a SF. However, I will admit that the reported injury could have impacted his game and thus, he might have the speed to keep up with the SGs of the league. Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[bigdogdylan5]

As I said, I still believe Jett is NOT a guard but a SF. However, I will admit that the reported injury could have impacted his game and thus, he might have the speed to keep up with the SGs of the league. Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think to start his career I don't think there should be an issue with him playing backup 3 with spot minutes at the 2. The reality is he has to really do well to earn minutes and if he does its going to be as a backup so its not like he will have to chase around Lamelo or Trae at first.

[RookieStar]

As I said, I still believe Jett is NOT a guard but a SF. However, I will admit that the reported injury could have impacted his game and thus, he might have the speed to keep up with the SGs of the league. Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think to start his career I don't think there should be an issue with him playing backup 3 with spot minutes at the 2.

Of course... with the lineup we have right now, he should be a backup unless he proves he can play over Franz at the 3 spot. However, unless he shows in practice he can keep up with our 2s, then I don't think we should make him play the 2 spot even as a backup. I mean, the goal of this season is winning more than developing rookies right.

[Nyce_1]

He's a wing. He can play next to Franz and/or next to Gary Harris.

[fendilim]

You realize Jett averaged 0,3 apg more than Dick? And most of his assists were entery paces to paint to 7'1 center who shoots hook shots and averages near 20 ppg? This was one of biggest mistakes of Suggs evaluation as playmaker, most of his 'playmaking" was ball feeding Timme

It doesn’t matter if he is passing to a 7’1” guy or not. The fact that they can assist off a pick and roll means they are capable of reading the situation, and still have a positive a:to ratio.

I like Grady and Hawkins, in fact they are better shooters than Jett. But Jett is a more complete offensive player than them. Jett can create better on offense than both Grady and Hawkins. Look at the shots or even highlights (if you dont have time), of all 3, you can see Jett is the only player that can put the ball down and create his own shot. Grady’s pullup jumper are mostly coming from the 1-2 combo dribble to get his rhythm.

If you’re looking at the archetype of players WeHam are drafting, those are players than can play make and have the ability to create their own shot, starting from the year they drafted Cole Anthony. Even Okeke was a capable shot maker in Auburn. Only Caleb Houstan was really the 3&d guy they have drafted so far.

Solve me one simple question:

how many pick&rolls Jett Howard had in his college career.

I'll wait.


This whole notion of him being some hidden gem of pick&roll maestro is a joke. It reminds me of Jabari Smith alleged elite defense that literally was never on display but was affected by Kessler just existing as best shot blocker in past decade. In same sense lot of stuff Jett is now credited for, have nothing to do with him but with Di ckinson bing one of best all around center at college hoops last year. ( can easly make argument for being the best C at college last year without much competition).

For example MItchigan would run set play where ballhandler hands off ball to Jett on top of key, he curls to his right on already set screen of Dicknson and shoots mid range jumper. Is that "pick&roll" paly in your books?


Look, Jett Howard played for his damn father out of all people to be in best position possible to have sucess ,on very mediocre team. And best he could do is 14-2,5-2 on 56% TS. ( 41FG, 36,8% for 3)

For all " Kevin Hueter " campers, Huerter averaged 15 ppg, 5 rpg and 3,4 apg on 50% FG and 42% for 3. on 64% TS.
Albet on his second seasaon, But at same age as Jett. And drafted 19th. Not in lottery.


It's just lot of demage control posted here for people that need to feel better about pick. Nobody had Jett that high among us because he simply didn't show he can be more than just your average spot up shooter , 3 and D guy with pretty average on ball defense and below average off ball defense. And very poor pick&roll defense.

This pick isn't high ceiling pick, and isn't even "fit" pick because he flat out can't play SG and we just fried 11th pick on player and position who will be stuck behind Wagner as backup SF until he is FA or Franz gets hurt.
And i'm not 100% sure that he is today significant upgrade over Okeke nor Houstan. Maybe in year or two.

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Lol at the argument of you hating on him playing for his father. That even puts him on a higher pedestal, but he still was able put up solid numbers. You know who also plays for his father? Jace Howard. Lol

No one is arguing he isn’t a reach. We’re just being open-minded about the pick, and giving the kid a chance. Lol whining about what has been made doesn’t solve anything, and I’m sorry it is making you miserable. I wish you’re a happy and joyful person in real life.

Do some reading and research, you might even find out if he is an upgrade over Houstan or Okeke.

Now answer my question,

Who said he is MAESTRO?

Who compared him to Huerter?

[BadMofoPimp]

If the Magic wanted Jett, they could have traded down 3 to 4 picks for him.

Naw, find it hard to believe that they did not understand where Jett was as likely to go. I mean they do the research and gather plenty of inside info being in the business.

The other reason would be that they panic’d and took him but WeltHam are alot of things but impatient doesn’t seem to be one of them. I think it must have been likely that he would’ve been picked soon after or they were finding that no one was interested in trading back (likely with the lack of trades the rest of the first.

I can see people saying Jett was the wrong guy but to just throw out there that he could’ve been had later is a bit arrogant imo.

Pretty much every draft board I saw, he was never a lottery pick even.

[BadMofoPimp]

If the Magic wanted Jett, they could have traded down 3 to 4 picks for him.

And gotten what?

What would exactly would we trade down and get? A 2028 2nd round pick? Cause of all the other trades, that's all that was gained by moving down...future 2nd rounders

And before someone stupidly says "atleast it's something", just remember....We've literally sold off the #36 pick this year for nothing, the #35 pick last year, 33 the year before that etc

Trading down literally does nothing in the NBA draft unless you're in the top 3-5 and there's a Luka doncic level player available that you don't want for some reason. That's the only way you get value to trade down. This isnt the NFL draft where trading down actually nets you something positive

A good Real GM stock piles assets all of which can be used in future trades. We jumped the gun on this one. Just hope Jett is not just another Andrew Nicholson, all offense and no defense. Regardless, we could always use a solid 10-15mpg role playing bench firecracker.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

It's going to be so surreal to have a Howard on our team that is not a good defender. I'm not ready.

[fendilim]

It's going to be so surreal to have a Howard on our team that is not a good defender. I'm not ready.

You’re probably too young to get flashbacks of his dad haha

[KillMonger]

it was meant to be lol

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[drsd]

He's a wing. He can play next to Franz and/or next to Gary Harris.

If Jett Howard is playing nest to Gary Harris, then Howard better have been traded to the team Harris signed with.

Harris cannot be a Magician on opening night if Orlando\s goal is to actually win games.

[jezzerinho]

Howard isn't big enough to play SF, I don't believe