Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

gandlogo · Post #1661 » by **gandlogo** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:50 pm

I can't stand Gobert or the trade for him, but I think the playing in the off season is completely overblown, but for the chance of injury (which exists in almost everything we do in life). The amount of excuses thrown around here about him being so worn down last year at the start of the season is laughable. He played in nine games last year, at 27 minutes per game (I think only one back-to-back). Big deal. A ton of NBA players also played in FIBA - including the NBA Finals MVP who played a lot later in the season than any Timberwolf. I'm guessing Denver fans aren't worried about those extra minutes. I'd have a bigger issue with him if he showed up at camp 20 pounds over weight and even slower-footed than he already is versus showing up in basketball shape because he's been playing.

Mattya · Post #1662 » by **Mattya** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:50 pm

It’s a horrible look for Gobert. You can’t blame your struggles last year on playing competitive basketball in the summer, then go and do it again.

Norseman79 · Post #1663 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:51 pm

bluethunder0005 wrote:You all are insane if you think it's a major problem that Gobert is playing in this. Guess if that's a problem then Ant shouldn't play either right? The vast majority of foreign NBA players play in these events, it's a big deal to them and their age is irrelevant for example Marc Gasol played at 34 in 2019.

The only reason I would say their age is relevant is recovery. The other thing to take into account is size, wear and tear, and investment.

Norseman79 · Post #1664 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:52 pm

Mattya wrote:It’s a horrible look for Gobert. You can’t blame your struggles last year on playing competitive basketball in the summer, then go and do it again.

This is what bothers me most

Post #1665 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:09 pm

The bigger problem last year was he went into it still recovering from a late-season injury, so he never really fully recovered.

life_saver · Post #1666 » by **life_saver** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:26 pm

I mean Gobert himself said that he didn't have enough time last off-season due to playing for national team + some injury and said it affected his start with Wolves. I thought well maybe he might skip playing with national team this year due to last year's experience but lol I was so wrong.

Note30 · Post #1667 » by **Note30** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:34 pm

shrink wrote:
Note30 wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:Obviously, as a fan of the Wolves, I am disappointed to see this from Gobert. With that said, I completely understand why he would choose to play, though.

It's an embarrassing that an 18 year old undrafted rookie has his priorities in better order than a 30 year old.

Maybe it's why he's never managed to improve his game.

And for what too. This isn't the Olympics. It's like who cares? It means nothing. I never seen someone make it into the HOF because they won the world cup.

Rudy is a blockhead.

So is Ant a blockhead too for doing the same thing? At least, compared to Wembanyama?

Watch on YouTube

Here is a clip watch until around 9 minutes. Rudy talks about how critical this offseason is for him, how coming into training camp last season he got injuries from playing during the offseason, how he struggled to build the foundation. Then a reporter asks him how he imagines this offseason to be successful and he say it's important that I stay healthy, become more athletic, and build a foundation with my teammates.

Keep in mind this man has not developed a single part of his offensive game in the 10 years he's been in the league outside of learning plays, several NBA players including TMac have called him out for it.

Despite that, fine let's just say becoming more athletic and explosive is a fine goal and that coming into training camp healthy and ready to build a strong foundation for your team are important. Why would you go do something that caused you injuries coming into training camp last summer? He even said he still has a small back issue.

Note30 · Post #1668 » by **Note30** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:37 pm

Klomp wrote:The bigger problem last year was he went into it still recovering from a late-season injury, so he never really fully recovered.

He said in the interview I linked below " I still have a small back issue, but it'll go away by then".

It's like dude. Just rest, why risk aggravating it? Right before the "most important season" of his career.

shrink · Post #1669 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:56 pm

My question is why do we praise Wembanyama for not playing for his country, but look the other way when Ant does it?

Is this a double standard where we ignore anything Ant does negatively, but pounce on the players we dislike?

Or is it American posters praising American players for playing for Team USA, but condemning foreign players for wanting to represent their home nations, in basketball that arguably means more to them than Americans?

Post #1670 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:06 pm

shrink wrote:My question is why do we praise Wembanyama for not playing for his country, but look the other way when Ant does it?

Is this a double standard where we ignore anything Ant does negatively, but pounce on the players we dislike?

Or is it American posters praising American players for playing for Team USA, but condemning foreign players for wanting to represent their home nations, in basketball that arguably means more to them than Americans?

I’ve found that rather humorous as well.

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BlacJacMac · Post #1671 » by **BlacJacMac** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:13 pm

shrink wrote:My question is why do we praise Wembanyama for not playing for his country, but look the other way when Ant does it?

Is this a double standard where we ignore anything Ant does negatively, but pounce on the players we dislike?

Or is it American posters praising American players for playing for Team USA, but condemning foreign players for wanting to represent their home nations, in basketball that arguably means more to them than Americans?

I guess because Wembanyama has never played in the NBA - or lived in America. He has a lot to learn and a lot of acclimating to do that he would miss out on by not being here.

Personally, I'd prefer none of our players play internationally.

Rudy - well documented.

Anderson - dude needs to get his back (and maybe his eyes) right.

KAT - I'm torn. He's coming off a pretty major injury and hasn't exactly been an iron man the last few years, but maybe it'll allow him to play himself back into shape.

Ant - Didn't he pretty badly sprain his ankle on like Day 1 last time he joined Team USA? Plus his style of play does lead to him wearing down.

twolves31 · Post #1672 » by **twolves31** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:14 pm

shrink wrote:My question is why do we praise Wembanyama for not playing for his country, but look the other way when Ant does it?

Is this a double standard where we ignore anything Ant does negatively, but pounce on the players we dislike?

Or is it American posters praising American players for playing for Team USA, but condemning foreign players for wanting to represent their home nations, in basketball that arguably means more to them than Americans?

Ant has certainly gotten worn down or had issues in his knees the past few season, I personally would rather see Ant stay home and work on his game here.

Norseman79 · Post #1673 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:24 pm

Just for fun...

Toronto in: Gobert, Little
Out: Siakim

Portland in: Towns, Prince
Out: Simons, Nurkic, Little

Timberwolves out: Towns, Gobert, Prince
In: Siakim, Nurkic, Simons

Portland gets a couple of vets to keep Dame happy at the expense of Simons and Nurkic.

Toronto gets a legit center, and front court depth for an expiring siakam who could likely leave after this year.

Wolves get scoring combo guard, beefy backup center, starting power forward for one year.

PG Conley, Simons
SG Edwards, NAW (resigning)
SF McDaniels, Minott
PF Siakim, Anderson
C. Reid, Nurkic

Obviously they would likely have to be some type of draft pick exchange and compensation just didn't feel like working all that out. The wolves would never do this. But it would be an interesting trade given what's being discussed in the other thread.

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #1674 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:33 pm

minimus wrote:For God sake...

Read on Twitter

We have one last chance to justify whole experiment. Let me explain what it means:

1) they will play from 25 Aug till 10 Sep. He wont be able to recover

2) Gobert will play two weeks in different time zone. Diffecrence between MIN and Jakarta is 12 (!!!) hours

3) climate in Jakarta is not mild and pleasant, especially when you are 30yo, 7'1 bigman

I totally disagree. Rudy got 3 months off before world cup start, plenty of time to work and rest. Then after the world cup, he will still have plenty of time to rest ( 3 weeks) and be ready. Playing high level competition is a good way to improve, much more than work out. Ant will play for USA, and the risk injury is same. Rudy is only 30 and is a guy who really care about beeing fit. i do not have any worries about impact. Rudy will be 100% when season start.

BlacJacMac · Post #1675 » by **BlacJacMac** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:34 pm

Norseman79 wrote:Just for fun...

Toronto in: Gobert, Little
Out: Siakim

Portland in: Towns, Prince
Out: Simons, Nurkic, Little

Timberwolves out: Towns, Gobert, Prince
In: Siakim, Nurkic, Simons

Portland gets a couple of vets to keep Dame happy at the expense of Simons and Nurkic.

Toronto gets a legit center, and front court depth for an expiring siakam who could likely leave after this year.

Wolves get scoring combo guard, beefy backup center, starting power forward for one year.

PG Conley, Simons
SG Edwards, NAW (resigning)
SF McDaniels, Minott
PF Siakim, Anderson
C. Reid, Nurkic

Obviously they would likely have to be some type of draft pick exchange and compensation just didn't feel like working all that out. The wolves would never do this. But it would be an interesting trade given what's being discussed in the other thread.

Portland makes out like a bandit. The only player they give up of any consequence is Simons - who is overpaid and likely to be their 4th guard...

And we give up KAT and Gobert for 1 year of Siakim (who has publicly said that he wants to resign with Toronto when he becomes a FA).

We better be getting at least FIVE 1st round picks...

BlacJacMac · Post #1676 » by **BlacJacMac** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:35 pm

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:Rudy will be 100% when season start.

He wasn't this year...

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #1677 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:40 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:Rudy will be 100% when season start.

He wasn't this year...

Yes he was let's say at best 60 70% last season. I totally convince he change his routine last 3 months and will be much better next year.
Just hope ( finger cross) him, and Ant dont get any injuries at the world cup.

BlacJacMac · Post #1678 » by **BlacJacMac** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:49 pm

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:Rudy will be 100% when season start.

He wasn't this year...

Yes he was let's say at best 60 70% last season. I totally convince he change his routine last 3 months and will be much better next year.
Just hope ( finger cross) him, and Ant dont get any injuries at the world cup.

He already has a back injury which likely won't benefit from FIBA play.

bluethunder0005 · Post #1679 » by **bluethunder0005** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:52 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
He wasn't this year...

Yes he was let's say at best 60 70% last season. I totally convince he change his routine last 3 months and will be much better next year.
Just hope ( finger cross) him, and Ant dont get any injuries at the world cup.

He already has a back injury which likely won't benefit from FIBA play.

If he currently has a back injury and it isn't going to be healed by the time FIBA starts, then it sounds serious and if that's the case then it wouldn't have been healed by the start of the season either.

moss_is_1 · Post #1680 » by **moss_is_1** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:53 pm

Norseman79 wrote:Just for fun...

Toronto in: Gobert, Little
Out: Siakim

Portland in: Towns, Prince
Out: Simons, Nurkic, Little

Timberwolves out: Towns, Gobert, Prince
In: Siakim, Nurkic, Simons

Portland gets a couple of vets to keep Dame happy at the expense of Simons and Nurkic.

Toronto gets a legit center, and front court depth for an expiring siakam who could likely leave after this year.

Wolves get scoring combo guard, beefy backup center, starting power forward for one year.

PG Conley, Simons
SG Edwards, NAW (resigning)
SF McDaniels, Minott
PF Siakim, Anderson
C. Reid, Nurkic

Obviously they would likely have to be some type of draft pick exchange and compensation just didn't feel like working all that out. The wolves would never do this. But it would be an interesting trade given what's being discussed in the other thread.

Gross. Nurkic is not good, Simons is overpaid and Siakam is a flight risk.