Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[BlacJacMac]

The only thing for Suggs is the hope he figures it out playing back home and away from an organization that doesn’t develop it’s young guards all that well?

Its a valid point. But I don't think that flyer is worth a first.

In other words, I don't think his trade value should be higher for Minnesota than other teams.

[TheZachAttack]

Simons/Kris Murray for KAT... make it happen Tim

[KGdaBom]

Simons/Kris Murray for KAT... make it happen Tim

What? It would have to be Simons, Scoot and Nurkic.

[Neeva]

Simons/Kris Murray for KAT... make it happen Tim

That’s terrible unless it includes 5 first round picks.

[KGdaBom]

Simons/Kris Murray for KAT... make it happen Tim

That’s terrible unless it includes 5 first round picks.

I'm with you. Scoot has to be in any deal for KAT.

[Baseline81]

Simons/Kris Murray for KAT... make it happen Tim

[moss_is_1]

The only thing for Suggs is the hope he figures it out playing back home and away from an organization that doesn’t develop it’s young guards all that well?

He seems to be a pretty high level defender, or at least disruptive defender not lockdown. Believe he was among the leagues highest in deflections.

I think for our PG spot we need to prioritize shooting, or just 2 way guys. We have a lot of good defenders, we should be able to hide some guys but we really need shooting.

[Klomp]

I'm not surprised. We clearly didn't want to take back money unless it was for a player like Morris. So he'd have to go to a team with the cap space to absorb his contract. I'd imagine most teams that would want him don't have the space and under the cap teams weren't going to give us a pick to absorb his contract.

I thought I read that he can't be traded until his contract is guaranteed?

I think the issue is that trades can't be finalized until after our deadline. So we could've picked up the option if we had a trade worked out. Which we clearly did not.

From the end of the season to the end of the league year, the only trades that can be completed are non-ending contracts. That's why the option would need to be picked up.

[younggunsmn]

Vucevic re-signing for 3/60 does not help the trade values of Gobert (3/141) or KAT (5/260).
Not one little bit.

I'm looking a year out at fits for both. Maybe there's a small chance the Spurs would want Gobert next summer, with a year left on his contract, even with 2/91 left?

I'm looking at the Nets for KAT. Nets will be flush with capspace next summer and possibly have enough to absorb him outright without sending anything back. But they also have Cam Johnson as a RFA this year and Claxton next year.
Also have Ben Simmons (40 mil expiring) and Finney-Smith (2/29 at that point) if salary matching were necessary.
They also have those 3 unprotected Phoenix picks (25,27,29) and unprotected '29 Dallas pick. Owe their '24 and '26 to Houston and '25 pickswap with Houston. Also have one pick from PHI, '25 or '26 protected 9-30.
So at that point you are looking at probably Ben Simmons' expiring and whatever picks you can get. Or a re-signed Cam Johnson + FInney Smith plus picks.

[SO_MONEY]

Vucevic re-signing for 3/60 does not help the trade values of Gobert (3/141) or KAT (5/260).
Not one little bit.

I'm looking a year out at fits for both. Maybe there's a small chance the Spurs would want Gobert next summer, with a year left on his contract, even with 2/91 left?

I'm looking at the Nets for KAT. Nets will be flush with capspace next summer and possibly have enough to absorb him outright without sending anything back. But they also have Cam Johnson as a RFA this year and Claxton next year.
Also have Ben Simmons (40 mil expiring) and Finney-Smith (2/29 at that point) if salary matching were necessary.
They also have those 3 unprotected Phoenix picks (25,27,29) and unprotected '29 Dallas pick. Owe their '24 and '26 to Houston and '25 pickswap with Houston. Also have one pick from PHI, '25 or '26 protected 9-30.
So at that point you are looking at probably Ben Simmons' expiring and whatever picks you can get. Or a re-signed Cam Johnson + FInney Smith plus picks.

Brooklyn doesn't have what it takes to get KAT. You just keep him.

[KGdaBom]

Vucevic re-signing for 3/60 does not help the trade values of Gobert (3/141) or KAT (5/260).
Not one little bit.

I'm looking a year out at fits for both. Maybe there's a small chance the Spurs would want Gobert next summer, with a year left on his contract, even with 2/91 left?

I'm looking at the Nets for KAT. Nets will be flush with capspace next summer and possibly have enough to absorb him outright without sending anything back. But they also have Cam Johnson as a RFA this year and Claxton next year.
Also have Ben Simmons (40 mil expiring) and Finney-Smith (2/29 at that point) if salary matching were necessary.
They also have those 3 unprotected Phoenix picks (25,27,29) and unprotected '29 Dallas pick. Owe their '24 and '26 to Houston and '25 pickswap with Houston. Also have one pick from PHI, '25 or '26 protected 9-30.
So at that point you are looking at probably Ben Simmons' expiring and whatever picks you can get. Or a re-signed Cam Johnson + FInney Smith plus picks.

I expected Vuc to get 30 million per year minimum.

[minimus]

Vucevic re-signing for 3/60 does not help the trade values of Gobert (3/141) or KAT (5/260).
Not one little bit.

Intersting that CHI had stretch in 2nd half of last season where they had #1 defense. But it might be that SAC #1 offense will give Sabonis bigger contract extension. And at this point I see Towns closer to Sabonis archetype of five-out big, that Vuc. We will see...

[Gday mate]

If Portland want to win with Lillard would Scoot and Simons for KAT be an option?

C Nurkic
PF KAT
SF Grant
SG Sharpe
PG Lillard

C Gobert
PF McDaniels
SF Anderson
SG Edwards
PG Scoot

Probably dreaming

[Baseline81]

If Portland want to win with Lillard would Scoot and Simons for KAT be an option?

C Nurkic
PF KAT
SF Grant
SG Sharpe
PG Lillard

C Gobert
PF McDaniels
SF Anderson
SG Edwards
PG Scoot

Probably dreaming

Of course it's an option. I'm not necessarily convinced it's the best one as it depends your evaluation of Henderson.

With that said, Connelly and Finch have repeatedly stated, now outside of Prince (and possibly NAW and McLaughlin), they will run the team back. Obviously, things could change around the trade deadline.

[minimus]

If Portland want to win with Lillard would Scoot and Simons for KAT be an option?

C Nurkic
PF KAT
SF Grant
SG Sharpe
PG Lillard

C Gobert
PF McDaniels
SF Anderson
SG Edwards
PG Scoot

Probably dreaming

IMO Towns would be much more efficient if he plays at C. Trade Nurkic for someone like DFS, and POR will have their version of five-out, just like SAC last season. Maybe Little can play at starting level as well.

C KAT
PF DFS/Little
SF Grant
SG Sharpe
PG Lillard

[thinktank]

Vucevic re-signing for 3/60 does not help the trade values of Gobert (3/141) or KAT (5/260).
Not one little bit.

I'm looking a year out at fits for both. Maybe there's a small chance the Spurs would want Gobert next summer, with a year left on his contract, even with 2/91 left?

I'm looking at the Nets for KAT. Nets will be flush with capspace next summer and possibly have enough to absorb him outright without sending anything back. But they also have Cam Johnson as a RFA this year and Claxton next year.
Also have Ben Simmons (40 mil expiring) and Finney-Smith (2/29 at that point) if salary matching were necessary.
They also have those 3 unprotected Phoenix picks (25,27,29) and unprotected '29 Dallas pick. Owe their '24 and '26 to Houston and '25 pickswap with Houston. Also have one pick from PHI, '25 or '26 protected 9-30.
So at that point you are looking at probably Ben Simmons' expiring and whatever picks you can get. Or a re-signed Cam Johnson + FInney Smith plus picks.

Brooklyn doesn't have what it takes to get KAT. You just keep him.

Yes they do. They have a boat load of draft picks plus Bridges, Johnson, And Claxton.

And even if a trade with Brooklyn couldn’t be worked out, that doesn’t disqualify the other 28 teams as trade partners.

[Baseline81]

Yes they do. They have a boat load of draft picks plus Bridges, Johnson, And Claxton.

And even if a trade with Brooklyn couldn’t be worked out, that doesn’t disqualify the other 28 teams as trade partners.

You would have to think the reason Brooklyn is trading for Towns is to play him with Bridges...

[thinktank]

Yes they do. They have a boat load of draft picks plus Bridges, Johnson, And Claxton.

And even if a trade with Brooklyn couldn’t be worked out, that doesn’t disqualify the other 28 teams as trade partners.

You would have to think the reason Brooklyn is trading for Towns is to play him with Bridges...

Sure, but even without Bridges they still have Cam Johnson and Claxton and a boat load of picks and prospects.

To say nothing of the possibility of three team deals.

Let not forget that KAT lived out there and it’s a huge market—way bigger than Minnesota.

Again, I disagree that Brooklyn doesn’t have what it takes to get KAT.

What’s your take on So_Money’s statement?

[SO_MONEY]

Yes they do. They have a boat load of draft picks plus Bridges, Johnson, And Claxton.

And even if a trade with Brooklyn couldn’t be worked out, that doesn’t disqualify the other 28 teams as trade partners.

You would have to think the reason Brooklyn is trading for Towns is to play him with Bridges...

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

[thinktank]

Yes they do. They have a boat load of draft picks plus Bridges, Johnson, And Claxton.

And even if a trade with Brooklyn couldn’t be worked out, that doesn’t disqualify the other 28 teams as trade partners.

You would have to think the reason Brooklyn is trading for Towns is to play him with Bridges...

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

Even if that’s the case (you’re saying no to Cam, DFS, picks, prospects, etc.), there’s still the three team option. Seems like you’re only considering a two-team deal as the only way KAT can end up in Brooklyn.