Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[Baseline81]

Sure, but even without Bridges they still have Cam Johnson and Claxton and a boat load of picks and prospects.

To say nothing of the possibility of three team deals.

Let not forget that KAT lived out there and it’s a huge market—way bigger than Minnesota.

Again, I disagree that Brooklyn doesn’t have what it takes to get KAT.

What’s your take on So_Money’s statement?

Obviously, my take my differ from Connelly's, but a package including role players and several draft picks is not something I would consider for Towns.

I do agree, a third team, would be needed.

[thinktank]

Sure, but even without Bridges they still have Cam Johnson and Claxton and a boat load of picks and prospects.

To say nothing of the possibility of three team deals.

Let not forget that KAT lived out there and it’s a huge market—way bigger than Minnesota.

Again, I disagree that Brooklyn doesn’t have what it takes to get KAT.

What’s your take on So_Money’s statement?

Obviously, my take my differ from Connelly's, but a package including role players and several draft picks is not something I would consider for Towns.

I do agree, a third team, would be needed.

I think Cam Johnson can be the 3rd best player on a winning team in the playoffs.

KAT isn’t that. Not yet.

Cam just put up 18 per game or so against the Sixers.on better 3FG% than KAT—40% to 25%.

KAT put up the same point average against Denver but in worse shooting numbers. And he didn’t guard anybody.

Cam is on an upward trajectory and KAT is on a downward trajectory, especially factoring in injuries.

[SO_MONEY]

You would have to think the reason Brooklyn is trading for Towns is to play him with Bridges...

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

Even if that’s the case (you’re saying no to Cam, DFS, picks, prospects, etc.), there’s still the three team option. Seems like you’re only considering a two-team deal as the only way KAT can end up in Brooklyn.

[thinktank]

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

Even if that’s the case (you’re saying no to Cam, DFS, picks, prospects, etc.), there’s still the three team option. Seems like you’re only considering a two-team deal as the only way KAT can end up in Brooklyn.

So you DO see a way Brooklyn has the assets to acquire KAT:

Brooklyn doesn't have what it takes to get KAT. You just keep him.

Thank you for the clarification.

[SO_MONEY]

Even if that’s the case (you’re saying no to Cam, DFS, picks, prospects, etc.), there’s still the three team option. Seems like you’re only considering a two-team deal as the only way KAT can end up in Brooklyn.

So you DO see a way Brooklyn has the assets to acquire KAT:

Brooklyn doesn't have what it takes to get KAT. You just keep him.

Thank you for the clarification.

Not what I said and you know it.

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

[thinktank]

So you DO see a way Brooklyn has the assets to acquire KAT:

Brooklyn doesn't have what it takes to get KAT. You just keep him.

Thank you for the clarification.

Not what I said and you know it.

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

That looks like you’re back to thinking only about a two-team trade as the only way for KAT to get traded to Brooklyn.

I made my point clearly. Have a good day.

[shrink]

I think Cam Johnson can be the 3rd best player on a winning team in the playoffs.

KAT isn’t that. Not yet.

Cam just put up 18 per game or so against the Sixers.on better 3FG% than KAT—40% to 25%.

KAT put up the same point average against Denver but in worse shooting numbers. And he didn’t guard anybody.

Cam is on an upward trajectory and KAT is on a downward trajectory, especially factoring in injuries.

This is the most favorable Cam Johnson take I’ve ever read, and I‘ve seen all the fanboy takes on him from PHX and BRK fans.

I question whether Cam has breached the top 75 players in the NBA. I doubt you’ll find many people that think Cam > KAT.

Why do you rank him so highly?

[thinktank]

I think Cam Johnson can be the 3rd best player on a winning team in the playoffs.

KAT isn’t that. Not yet.

Cam just put up 18 per game or so against the Sixers.on better 3FG% than KAT—40% to 25%.

KAT put up the same point average against Denver but in worse shooting numbers. And he didn’t guard anybody.

Cam is on an upward trajectory and KAT is on a downward trajectory, especially factoring in injuries.

This is the most favorable Cam Johnson take I’ve ever read, and I‘ve seen all the fanboy takes on him from PHX and BRK fans.

I question whether Cam has breached the top 75 players in the NBA. I doubt you’ll find many people that think Cam > KAT.

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

[shrink]

Vucevic re-signing for 3/60 does not help the trade values of Gobert (3/141) or KAT (5/260).
Not one little bit.

Maybe. But he also turns 33 before the season starts, and this is a 3 year deal.

The Rockets are paying Fred VanVleet 2/85. Giant contracts aren’t disappearing.

[SO_MONEY]

So you DO see a way Brooklyn has the assets to acquire KAT:

Thank you for the clarification.

Not what I said and you know it.

That would be my assumption and they don't really have any young established player(s) that would entice a trade. Cam Johnson isn't enough, Cam Thomas is not really proven enough. If you walk away with a role player, a high risk prospect and picks (rights), that is pretty brutal. I don't mind Claxson, but we just create a log jam... need to move Rudy... or send to third team.... and I am not sure the use Claxson anyways as they kind of need him for D around KAT. That is the way I see it.

That looks like you’re back to thinking only about a two-team trade as the only way for KAT to get traded to Brooklyn.

I made my point clearly. Have a good day.

I am going to give you a warning. The mods don't want me to handle this stuff on my own and have told me to report your posts that are searching for fights. I will respect their wishes. One more time and that is what I am going to do. I will report posts like this without warning going forward, so you are at the crossroads of you having to decide what is important to you.

[thinktank]

Not what I said and you know it.

That looks like you’re back to thinking only about a two-team trade as the only way for KAT to get traded to Brooklyn.

I made my point clearly. Have a good day.

I am going to give you a warning. The mods don't want me to handle this stuff on my own and have told me to report your posts that are searching for fights. I will respect their wishes. One more time and that is what I am going to do. I will report posts like this without warning going forward, so you are at the crossroads of you having to decide what is important to you.

We had a conversation with intellectual rigor applied. That’s all it was.

[twolves31]

I think Cam Johnson can be the 3rd best player on a winning team in the playoffs.

KAT isn’t that. Not yet.

Cam just put up 18 per game or so against the Sixers.on better 3FG% than KAT—40% to 25%.

KAT put up the same point average against Denver but in worse shooting numbers. And he didn’t guard anybody.

Cam is on an upward trajectory and KAT is on a downward trajectory, especially factoring in injuries.

This is the most favorable Cam Johnson take I’ve ever read, and I‘ve seen all the fanboy takes on him from PHX and BRK fans.

I question whether Cam has breached the top 75 players in the NBA. I doubt you’ll find many people that think Cam > KAT.

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

Cam played 5 years of college, and is 4 months younger than Kat.

[Klomp]

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

Cam is 4.5 months younger.

[thinktank]

This is the most favorable Cam Johnson take I’ve ever read, and I‘ve seen all the fanboy takes on him from PHX and BRK fans.

I question whether Cam has breached the top 75 players in the NBA. I doubt you’ll find many people that think Cam > KAT.

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

Cam played 5 years of college, and is 4 months younger than Kat.

Thanks for that. Talking about who is better only has so much value because it doesn’t factor in each player’s cost. Gotta factor that in.

Cam may be a better VALUE than KAT already. And I reiterate that Cam is trending better in terms of on-court value than KAT is trending (he seems flat). (I see Cam will need a new deal after this year…)

[fattymcgee]

I think Cam Johnson can be the 3rd best player on a winning team in the playoffs.

KAT isn’t that. Not yet.

Cam just put up 18 per game or so against the Sixers.on better 3FG% than KAT—40% to 25%.

KAT put up the same point average against Denver but in worse shooting numbers. And he didn’t guard anybody.

Cam is on an upward trajectory and KAT is on a downward trajectory, especially factoring in injuries.

This is the most favorable Cam Johnson take I’ve ever read, and I‘ve seen all the fanboy takes on him from PHX and BRK fans.

I question whether Cam has breached the top 75 players in the NBA. I doubt you’ll find many people that think Cam > KAT.

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

WTF are you talking about?
They're both 27!

[thinktank]

This is the most favorable Cam Johnson take I’ve ever read, and I‘ve seen all the fanboy takes on him from PHX and BRK fans.

I question whether Cam has breached the top 75 players in the NBA. I doubt you’ll find many people that think Cam > KAT.

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

WTF are you talking about?
They're both 27!

This has been corrected already (twice actually). Thank you tho!

Who do you like more next year:

KAT @ 50 million
Or
Cam @ ~25 million (for example)?

Both averaged 18 points a game in the playoffs and one played defense.

KAT and Cam’s WS/48 were essentially identical last year.

[Slim Tubby]

Not yet. Look at their playoff performances this past season. One can reasonably argue that Cam was better. KAT has done very little in the playoffs and Cam is what, four years younger? Things change.

WTF are you talking about?
They're both 27!

This has been corrected already (twice actually). Thank you tho!

Who do you like more next year:

KAT @ 50 million
Or
Cam @ ~25 million (for example)?

Both averaged 18 points a game in the playoffs and one played defense.

KAT and Cam’s WS/48 were essentially identical last year.

Can we trade you to the Brooklyn Nets or would that need to be a 3-team deal? I don't think anyone will mind whatever the value is that's coming back.

[thinktank]

WTF are you talking about?
They're both 27!

This has been corrected already (twice actually). Thank you tho!

Who do you like more next year:

KAT @ 50 million
Or
Cam @ ~25 million (for example)?

Both averaged 18 points a game in the playoffs and one played defense.

KAT and Cam’s WS/48 were essentially identical last year.

Can we trade you to the Brooklyn Nets or would that need to be a 3-team deal? I don't think anyone will mind whatever the value is that's coming back.

Are you bullying me?! That will not be tolerated! I remind you to talk basketball instead of making personal attacks!

(KAT is very quickly becoming one of the worst contracts in the NBA and even trade packages like Cam Johnson + DFS + O’Neale + draft picks will soon become our new reality IN MY OPINION.)

[shrink]

I doubt GMs are going to base the worth of these players on 5 games for KAT and 4 for Cam.

——

I read a Dad joke today that seems appropriate here to me.

“What starts with an “O,” ends with “nions” and can make you cry?

Opinions.

I don’t care - keep them coming!

[thinktank]

I doubt GMs are going to base the worth of these players on 5 games for KAT and 4 for Cam.

——

I read a Dad joke today that seems appropriate here to me.

“What starts with an “O,” ends with “nions” and can make you cry?

Opinions.

I don’t care - keep them coming!

Of course GMs don’t base player worth on 4 or 5 games.

They have three playoff series worth of data for KAT and none of them are good. Zero.

We have one playoff series for Cam and it’s as good as any of KAT’s three series.

KAT makes 50 million next year and what will Cam make? 25?

Yikes. But hey, KAT is saving a ring finger for a championship! He’s won at every level (but college and NBA)!