Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[HotelVitale]

i think dame is a proven playoff guy who hits big shots - he's under contract and you have embiid. it may take a year to fill out the team but it will keep embiid happy while getting a stud player. maxey is nice but i think if it's maxey and picks, you need to pull the trigger - the flipside is not doing it and most likely will lead to embiid asking out within 2 years.

Barring a significant increase in the salary cap, it's going to be really tough to build a roster around two players who will make a combined $100 million for the next 3-4 years. Given that it would probably cost us multiple draft picks, it makes that task even more difficult.

The cap will increase like it always does, not sure why it's any harder than it usually is to build around a couple max guys. We'd also presumably still get something for Harden, and with a Dame trade we'd no longer have to worry as much about limiting salary beyond this year too.

I don't necessarily love it but hard to see what else we can do now. Be hard to pass up.

[76Love]

Glad some of you are starting to come to your senses about this Maxey-Lillard thing

Michael Rubin's annual white party is tomorrow in the Hamptons and I'm pretty sure Embiid and Harden as well as other Sixers players like Tucker have invites. Pretty sure Harden will be there don't know about Embiid though. Could be interesting

[youngcrev]

I swear, you guys could talk yourself out of anyone.

Dame is a stud. A top-10ish player in the league (it's arguable, with a handful of guys in that range). And a near perfect fit with Embiid.

That's the best 1-2 punch in the league. You've got Embiid to anchor the defense. It's just a really easy duo to build a championship roster around.

I'd be doing everything in my power to keep Maxey... But at the end of the day, if that's what it takes, and I've got enough left over to build a reasonably good supporting cast...

Now, Daryl can somehow flip Harden to one team, Tobias to another, throw in some future pick/swaps... That's just a ridiculous W that should be celebrated by everyone.

[Arsenal]

i think dame is a proven playoff guy who hits big shots - he's under contract and you have embiid. it may take a year to fill out the team but it will keep embiid happy while getting a stud player.

maxey is nice but i think if it's maxey and picks, you need to pull the trigger - the flipside is not doing it and most likely will lead to embiid asking out within 2 years.

Dame is 33 this season. If it takes a year to fill out the roster then you’re talking about a legit chance when he’s 34. Not a good plan. We just refused to pay a guy going into his age 34 season yet Dame is owed obscene amounts until he is 37. He could fall off the cliff at any time.

Trading Maxey for Dame is shortsighted. Which describes everything we’ve done for 5 years in desperately chasing Embiid’s supposed window.

[Arsenal]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

[ProcessDoctor]

i think dame is a proven playoff guy who hits big shots - he's under contract and you have embiid. it may take a year to fill out the team but it will keep embiid happy while getting a stud player.

maxey is nice but i think if it's maxey and picks, you need to pull the trigger - the flipside is not doing it and most likely will lead to embiid asking out within 2 years.

Dame is 33 this season. If it takes a year to fill out the roster then you’re talking about a legit chance when he’s 34. Not a good plan. We just refused to pay a guy going into his age 34 season yet Dame is owed obscene amounts until he is 37. He could fall off the cliff at any time.

Trading Maxey for Dame is shortsighted. Which describes everything we’ve done for 5 years in desperately chasing Embiid’s supposed window.

I think that depth comes from the Harden trade. We can also recuperate some 1sts from them as well. Not fully on board with it, but going into next season with only Maxey/Embiid and hoping for 2024 FA is pretty uncertain as well.

[Sixteen]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

Also F the Blazers and Dame. They should have came to this obvious conclusion years ago. I am not giving up an ascending star just because now FINALLY Portland wants to make a deal. Dame is an injury away from losing a few steps.

[HotelVitale]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

So...Maxey, Melton, Reed, and Springer are somehow going to lead us a title?

I'm with you philosophically but not sure what specific path you're seeing. Seems like waiting around to sign a perimeter volume guy in FA, or else trading for an old one, is pretty much the sum of our paths to contending the next 2-3 years.

[Kobblehead]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

So...Maxey, Melton, Reed, and Springer are somehow going to lead us a title?

I'm with you philosophically but not sure what specific path you're seeing. Seems like waiting around to sign a perimeter volume guy in FA, or else trading for an old one, is pretty much the sum of our paths to contending the next 2-3 years.

We know for sure Dame wouldn't.

He's a 33 year old munchkin that shoots 41% from the field in the playoffs and hasn't done jack in the playoffs. He can't even get his team TO the playoffs these days.

[Arsenal]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

So...Maxey, Melton, Reed, and Springer are somehow going to lead us a title?

I'm with you philosophically but not sure what specific path you're seeing. Seems like waiting around to sign a perimeter volume guy in FA, or else trading for an old one, is pretty much the sum of our paths to contending the next 2-3 years.

Sometimes the best move is to do nothing and wait for a better opportunity. Enough with the desperation of chasing aged stars on the downslope.

[eyeatoma]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

While I agree with you, and the cliff could come at any moment, he just had his best season ever. Even if next year is a down year, it'll be infinitely better than what Harden gave us. Also, his game meshes so much better with Jo's, pull up 3s, off the dribble three, dribble hand off threes, threes off the pick.

I still want to keep Maxey. But if he could package Harden/Harris for another set of players that fit perfectly, we could have a better team than a 3 star team we had last year. The window would be short, but it was short with Harden as well.

[ivysixer2000]

I do have to wonder how many mistakes can one team make.

Ben. Fultz. Noel. Okafor. We even gave Horford a huge contract he didn't deserve.

Our biggest fear should be Jojo wanting out. I would if I were him, cause when your forwards are Tobi and PJ, you will never beat the Celtics. Ever.

I'm not at the point of blowing it all up, but I'm damn close.

[eyeatoma]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

So...Maxey, Melton, Reed, and Springer are somehow going to lead us a title?

I'm with you philosophically but not sure what specific path you're seeing. Seems like waiting around to sign a perimeter volume guy in FA, or else trading for an old one, is pretty much the sum of our paths to contending the next 2-3 years.

We know for sure Dame wouldn't.

He's a 33 year old munchkin that shoots 41% from the field in the playoffs and hasn't done jack in the playoffs. He can't even get his team TO the playoffs these days.

You keep saying this. He was locked down by Jrue a few times, he also had a terrible supporting cast, and has been one of the most clutch playoff performers in NBA history.

[mjkvol]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

It seems to be down to you, Kobble, and me as the only sane voices in the room. Blows my mind how many want to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome.

[Arsenal]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

While I agree with you, and the cliff could come at any moment, he just had his best season ever. Even if next year is a down year, it'll be infinitely better than what Harden gave us. Also, his game meshes so much better with Jo's, pull up 3s, off the dribble three, dribble hand off threes, threes off the pick.

I still want to keep Maxey. But if he could package Harden/Harris for another set of players that fit perfectly, we could have a better team than a 3 star team we had last year. The window would be short, but it was short with Harden as well.

It’s comical to say he’s infinitely better than Harden. Give me a break. You guys are desperate for a one or two year window where we still are nowhere near the favorites.

[Arsenal]

So...Maxey, Melton, Reed, and Springer are somehow going to lead us a title?

I'm with you philosophically but not sure what specific path you're seeing. Seems like waiting around to sign a perimeter volume guy in FA, or else trading for an old one, is pretty much the sum of our paths to contending the next 2-3 years.

We know for sure Dame wouldn't.

He's a 33 year old munchkin that shoots 41% from the field in the playoffs and hasn't done jack in the playoffs. He can't even get his team TO the playoffs these days.

You keep saying this. He was locked down by Jrue a few times, he also had a terrible supporting cast, and has been one of the most clutch playoff performers in NBA history.

He can’t even get his team to the playoffs. Crazy overrated by THIRSTY and DESPERATE fans.

Anytime you’re making decisions based on desperation, you always lose.

[Arsenal]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

[ivysixer2000]

Everyone advocating selling the farm for a 33 year old star past his prime must not have watched the last 20 years of Sixers basketball. It never works and we always end up worse for it.

We need to build with youth and athleticism, not guys who are at the end.

While I agree with you, and the cliff could come at any moment, he just had his best season ever. Even if next year is a down year, it'll be infinitely better than what Harden gave us. Also, his game meshes so much better with Jo's, pull up 3s, off the dribble three, dribble hand off threes, threes off the pick.

I still want to keep Maxey. But if he could package Harden/Harris for another set of players that fit perfectly, we could have a better team than a 3 star team we had last year. The window would be short, but it was short with Harden as well.

It’s comical to say he’s infinitely better than Harden. Give me a break. You guys are desperate for a one or two year window where we still are nowhere near the favorites.

I do wonder if you guys have ever watched Dame play. He can't guard me. People do compare him to Steph, but that's dumb. Dame just stands there, he's not coming off of screens. Not playing D. He just stands there, while he's great at what he does, its not winning basketball. Jimmy might be able to win with him cause he's a great defender, but Jojo will not as we will have no perimeter defenders.

[Negrodamus]

The best move is a lesser star than Harden, but someone who is younger. That’s why Brandon Ingram makes most sense to me.

Lillard is a GM-brain move that signals to the fan base that he still “means business” while sacrificing a little via on court play (in fact I think Lillard and Embiid are a better match than Harden), but sacrificing a lot in cap flexibility moving forward.

[FireMorey]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

People are incredibly desperate for the team to get over the top they’re willing to talk themselves into anything.

Which is why I’m saying right now despite what people say right now about being cool with a pause year, I’m telling you 7 games into the season when the team is boring, doesn’t look like a contender and is playing .500 basketball, the sentiments are going to change. You aren’t gonna get a whole lot of “it’s a pause year, it it what it is.” It’ll be “god this team sucks, they’re so boring, I hate this team.”

Pause years are a lot easier to stomach in theory than in practice.