Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[sixers hoops]

OK, I'll take the bait lol. How many times has that small of backcourt won a championship lately....we tried with Iverson and Snow I guess.

(there's no chance we'd get Dame without Maxey going out)

Totally agree,

Yeah. It’s a moot point. Maxey and Dame wouldn’t be in the same backcourt.

[SixthStreet]

I’m amazed at how many posters have talked themselves into Lillard. It’s laughable to suggest he’s in the same stratosphere as Harden as a player.

Running it back is far more palatable than any scenarios in which Lillard is a 76er.

[Negrodamus]

If Jaylen Brown signs a new deal with the Celtics, I could see the Rockets reigniting their interest in Harden.

[eyeatoma]

Interesting and important stat in the Harden vs Dame discussion.

Harden:
Career regular season minutes played: 34,753
Career playoff minutes played: 5,750
Total minutes played: 40,503

Lillard:
Career regular season minutes played: 27,942
Career playoff minutes played: 2,458
Career total minutes played: 30,400

How many games played for both. Harden has had one of the highest mpg in the league for most of his career. Dame is closer to normal.

The minutes played also is a good indicator, of how quick he'll break down.

[djsunyc]

i have no horse in this race since i'm not a sixers fan but the window with embiid is slowly closing - tough to not give up maxey for a shot with embiid + lillard.

keeping maxey + picks? fine, but don't expect anything even close to contending without massive massive lotto luck b/c embiid won't be a sixer by the 25 season imho.

[eyeatoma]

I’m amazed at how many posters have talked themselves into Lillard. It’s laughable to suggest he’s in the same stratosphere as Harden as a player.

Running it back is far more palatable than any scenarios in which Lillard is a 76er.

We can't run it back, Harden has closed the door, based on Sam Amick's video, it looks like he would sit out. Him and Morey are done.

[ivysixer2000]

Looks like Lillard makes 46, 49, 58, and 63.

He will be 33, 34, 35, and 36 in those seasons.

Considering he is still playing at an elite level, I think you could get 2 or 3 years of star play.

Maxey is a really good player, but Lillard’s playoff production, while being the target of opposing defenses has been pretty impressive. He has played with some weak supporting casts, so I’m not surprised with his lack of team success.

I think Lillard, Melton, Tobias, Tucker, Embiid would have a shot, but prob need more added to that lineup, depending on what we actually give up for Lillard. I still think we are a little short on firepower and not sure what we would have left to solidify the lineup. With a 33 year old Lillard, you can’t waste a year building around him, and Morey doesn’t seem to work very fast.

I'm still wanting more younger guys on the wing. Lillard doesn't move the needle for me, I've always wanted to deal with the Blazers cause of their athletic wings. If Lillard is on the table, then I'm talking to them more even though I really don't consider him that big of upgrade over Harden. Yeah, I know I might be alone in that thought, but Harden did just lead the league in assists while being lazy as **** doing it. They are also similar in age.

I will throw it out there, Tobi and Harden for Dame and whoever. We absolutely need wing athleticism.

[sixers hoops]

Looks like Lillard makes 46, 49, 58, and 63.

He will be 33, 34, 35, and 36 in those seasons.

Considering he is still playing at an elite level, I think you could get 2 or 3 years of star play.

Maxey is a really good player, but Lillard’s playoff production, while being the target of opposing defenses has been pretty impressive. He has played with some weak supporting casts, so I’m not surprised with his lack of team success.

I think Lillard, Melton, Tobias, Tucker, Embiid would have a shot, but prob need more added to that lineup, depending on what we actually give up for Lillard. I still think we are a little short on firepower and not sure what we would have left to solidify the lineup. With a 33 year old Lillard, you can’t waste a year building around him, and Morey doesn’t seem to work very fast.

I'm still wanting more younger guys on the wing. Lillard doesn't move the needle for me, I've always wanted to deal with the Blazers cause of their athletic wings. If Lillard is on the table, then I'm talking to them more even though I really don't consider him that big of upgrade over Harden. Yeah, I know I might be alone in that thought, but Harden did just lead the league in assists while being lazy as **** doing it. They are also similar in age.

I will throw it out there, Tobi and Harden for Dame and whoever. We absolutely need wing athleticism.

Portland wants nothing to do with Tobi or Harden.

[ivysixer2000]

Looks like Lillard makes 46, 49, 58, and 63.

He will be 33, 34, 35, and 36 in those seasons.

Considering he is still playing at an elite level, I think you could get 2 or 3 years of star play.

Maxey is a really good player, but Lillard’s playoff production, while being the target of opposing defenses has been pretty impressive. He has played with some weak supporting casts, so I’m not surprised with his lack of team success.

I think Lillard, Melton, Tobias, Tucker, Embiid would have a shot, but prob need more added to that lineup, depending on what we actually give up for Lillard. I still think we are a little short on firepower and not sure what we would have left to solidify the lineup. With a 33 year old Lillard, you can’t waste a year building around him, and Morey doesn’t seem to work very fast.

I'm still wanting more younger guys on the wing. Lillard doesn't move the needle for me, I've always wanted to deal with the Blazers cause of their athletic wings. If Lillard is on the table, then I'm talking to them more even though I really don't consider him that big of upgrade over Harden. Yeah, I know I might be alone in that thought, but Harden did just lead the league in assists while being lazy as **** doing it. They are also similar in age.

I will throw it out there, Tobi and Harden for Dame and whoever. We absolutely need wing athleticism.

Portland wants nothing to do with Tobi or Harden.

Yep your right, and that sucks

[Negrodamus]

Watch on YouTube

;pp=ygUQa2V2aW4gcG9ydGVyIGpyIA%3D%3D

KPJ low key would be a great fit next to Maxey. Was the creator for Houston but also shot >40% on C&S 3 FG situations. If we could get a Clipper type haul but swap KPJ instead of Mann (picks, role players), I’d be intrigued

[ProcessDoctor]

Interesting and important stat in the Harden vs Dame discussion.

Harden:
Career regular season minutes played: 34,753
Career playoff minutes played: 5,750
Total minutes played: 40,503

Lillard:
Career regular season minutes played: 27,942
Career playoff minutes played: 2,458
Career total minutes played: 30,400

How many games played for both. Harden has had one of the highest mpg in the league for most of his career. Dame is closer to normal.

The minutes played also is a good indicator, of how quick he'll break down.

Dame has played 830 games total and Harden has played 1160 games total.

Also of note, Harden entered the league at 20 years old while Dame entered at 22. That 2 year difference doesn’t account for the larger gap in total minutes or games played.

[76Love]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

And if Morey isn't really offering Maxey for Lillard he needs to be fired. You get Lillard and figure it out later. Who cares about the future. Some of you probably won't even be alive in the next 5 years

Except it wouldn't be just Maxey for Dame. It would be Maxey + Harden or Harris + fillers + picks. Again, Dame is a great player but not worth completely depleting our depth and future assets over. At least in my opinion.

No **** it wouldn't be just Maxey for Dame 

If it takes that to get Lillard then it needs to happen. Lillard would be the best player Embiid has ever played with and vice versa. Embiid is on the clock and he doesn't have much time before he could possibly decline heading into 30 next year. You really think Embiid came out with "The Watcher" tweet out of nowhere when he didn't tweet for almost a whole 2 months before that? The timing is too coincidental

I will give Morey credit being a "good liar" in which he said Doc wasn't going to get fired and has said he wanted to keep Bitch Simmons. Maybe this whole not trading Maxey thing is one of those. Morey has said his goal is to bring a championship to Philadelphia and the fanbase off the internet is getting impatient and him not including Maxey involving Lillard in a deal is just idiotic. If Morey is such the genius he is he will find a way to surround this team with Lillard and Embiid. He couldn't even get a reliable back up C for our best player who is known for being injured. If we are not going to trade for Lillard then we need to trade Embiid now and get better assets for him now before he wets the bed again in the playoffs which leads to another 2nd round exit once again. Embiid and Maxey with Harris as a number 3 is not going to move the needle. Doubt will eventually start creeping in with him saying he needs more help as he said during his post game interview after game 7 against Boston.

I swear some of you would rather win a championship it the year 2050

[Embiid P]

And if Morey isn't really offering Maxey for Lillard he needs to be fired. You get Lillard and figure it out later. Who cares about the future. Some of you probably won't even be alive in the next 5 years

Except it wouldn't be just Maxey for Dame. It would be Maxey + Harden or Harris + fillers + picks. Again, Dame is a great player but not worth completely depleting our depth and future assets over. At least in my opinion.

No **** it wouldn't be just Maxey for Dame 

If it takes that to get Lillard then it needs to happen. Lillard would be the best player Embiid has ever played with and vice versa. Embiid is on the clock and he doesn't have much time before he could possibly decline heading into 30 next year. You really think Embiid came out with "The Watcher" tweet out of nowhere when he didn't tweet for almost a whole 2 months before that? The timing is too coincidental

I will give Morey credit being a "good liar" in which he said Doc wasn't going to get fired and has said he wanted to keep Bitch Simmons. Maybe this whole not trading Maxey thing is one of those. Morey has said his goal is to bring a championship to Philadelphia and the fanbase off the internet is getting impatient and him not including Maxey involving Lillard in a deal is just idiotic. If Morey is such the genius he is he will find a way to surround this team with Lillard and Embiid. He couldn't even get a reliable back up C for our best player who is known for being injured. If we are not going to trade for Lillard then we need to trade Embiid now and get better assets for him now before he wets the bed again in the playoffs which leads to another 2nd round exit once again. Embiid and Maxey with Harris as a number 3 is not going to move the needle. Doubt will eventually start creeping in with him saying he needs more help as he said during his post game interview after game 7 against Boston.

I swear some of you would rather win a championship it the year 2050

Who's to say that Embiid and Lillard alone would be enough to win a championship? Moreover, who would you surround them with given that both players will make a combined $100 million per for the next 3-4 years? If we had more cheap young talent, draft picks and a good developmental pipeline like the Heat do to surround them with then I could see it being worth the risk but sadly we have none of those things thanks to front office incompetence, poor coaching (hopefully it will change under Nurse) and our addiction to star chasing.

[Jhawk03]

I've said it before that I've wanted to pair Dame with Embiid for YEARS. Dame is the closer that gets us past the second round, the only thing we haven't tried to pair with Embiid... even at Lillard's current age this is the greatest move that puts us into the Murray/Jokic pairing. The remaining roster vs the Nuggets roster aside.

The unfortunate part is that the minute he FINALLY decides to ask out, not only does he come with a problematic contract, but it also occurs at the very time we're both thin on assets and depth.

Maxey is our last genuine positive asset, so of course it's gonna take giving him up to get Lillard and that's been my worst nightmare if it came down to finally getting a realistic shot at getting him. I believe Maxey will develop into the closer role at some point in his career, I really do, and sooner rather than later, but time seems like it's running out.

I guess the truth of the matter is probably somewhere in the middle. We should be patient, see what we get for Harden first, but taking a shot at Dame is also something that should be considered. This is the most puzzling off season in recent memory. Whatever move Morey makes will effect the franchise well into the late 20s into 2030.

[LessMorey]

Yeah, sometimes it works and makes sense. Toronto wasn't really sacrificing their future in that deal. But when you have a decision with alternatives, reaching that 5% threshold for 1 or 2 years cannot be your only criteria. That 5% needs to be sustainable over many years to take advantage of odds.

I imagine he thought he had longer than he did. That's probably about where they'd be this year if Harden stuck around.

I also just think Harden didn't have as much left in the tank as he thought, and Haliburton has taken a much bigger leap than even his biggest proponents expected.

Sometimes risks don't pay off. We still won the trade we made pretty massively. And the Kings and Pacers are both pretty happy with how their deal turned out.

Haliburton was the play because we bailed the Nets out of a bad situation. We could have traded for Haliburton and had cap space for Harden in the summer if we got off Tobias's deal.

[LessMorey]

Did I miss some other team offering Harden $50M last offseason? The whole “pay cut” narrative was just a way for Harden to save face as he entered the non-max player phase of his career.

He opted out of a guaranteed $50 million to sign a 1+1 for $35 million/year. Is the player option for $37 million in the second year worth a $15 million pay cut in the first year? Absolutely not.

I am sure there were some implications on the Sixers side that they'd take care of him the following summer. If I were Harden I would be pissed off at Morey, too.

Harden has been making some bad financial decisions. Not taking Brooklyn's extension, will probably cost him at least $80 million over the four years. Not opting into the $50 million last year. And not opting out this year. Worst case Daryl would have signed him to another 1+1 at $37 million/year. Then he'd at least have another guaranteed ~$38 million for next year.

I do think something was said that lead Harden to believe Morey would take care of him the following summer. Which is why you now have the situation where Harden isn't even considering coming back next year.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Nah if harden took a team friendly deal that's on him. I think this is all smoke. I don't see no back end promises for a 34 year old aged star. That 35 mil he opted into is the right value .

[LeonJordanJr24]

Next subject how can we land Kelly oubre ?

[rocketsfan100]

Looks like Lillard makes 46, 49, 58, and 63.

He will be 33, 34, 35, and 36 in those seasons.

Considering he is still playing at an elite level, I think you could get 2 or 3 years of star play.

Maxey is a really good player, but Lillard’s playoff production, while being the target of opposing defenses has been pretty impressive. He has played with some weak supporting casts, so I’m not surprised with his lack of team success.

I think Lillard, Melton, Tobias, Tucker, Embiid would have a shot, but prob need more added to that lineup, depending on what we actually give up for Lillard. I still think we are a little short on firepower and not sure what we would have left to solidify the lineup. With a 33 year old Lillard, you can’t waste a year building around him, and Morey doesn’t seem to work very fast.

I'm still wanting more younger guys on the wing. Lillard doesn't move the needle for me, I've always wanted to deal with the Blazers cause of their athletic wings. If Lillard is on the table, then I'm talking to them more even though I really don't consider him that big of upgrade over Harden. Yeah, I know I might be alone in that thought, but Harden did just lead the league in assists while being lazy as **** doing it. They are also similar in age.

I will throw it out there, Tobi and Harden for Dame and whoever. We absolutely need wing athleticism.

Portland wants nothing to do with Tobi or Harden.

Portland is about to hit the reboot button. They literally have no use for anyone over 25 anymore. They hit the jackpot with scoot because he would be a number 1 pick any other year outside of a Wemby or Lebron type coming out.

Charlotte will regret passing on scoot

[Kova]

Dame doesn't make us any better than Harden does (did). Especially without Maxey. By trading Maxey, we're giving up anything that's left of our future in 3-4 years.