Magic waive F Bol Bol

[Fortune Teller]

What a classic WeltHam outcome.

Why the f*** they didnt move him before the trade deadline last year is a mystery. He had media attention, he was turning heads, had some unwarranted momentum behind him as the next great thing.

The FO and coaches had the privilege of seeing him in training amd knowing it was fools gold.

It was the moment to cash in. But, as we.have all come to know and love, this FO has different ideas. An allergy to maximising assets that demonstrates a commercial ineptitude that very few franchises could survive. If we manage to become good off our draft success alone, it'll be nothing short of a miracle. More probably we'll fall short because this FO is petrified to make a call that isnt waiving an asset they failed.to maximise.

Truth.

[Last Guardian]

I guess this means Kai will be signed.

Lengthy big man project

I’m not going to fully judge him until I see the summer league but just a little tape shows that he knows a little more about defensive and offensive positions than Bol Bol did.

[KillMonger]

I guess this means Kai will be signed.

Lengthy big man project

wouldn't hurt to give him a two way slot.....unless he looks like excrement

[shadrock]

Good job FO.wE go again with

Found a guy. Boosted his value and waived him. Great management of assets.

Should have traded him in January when he was getting 15mpg.

Here we go again with you knowing more than our entire front office.

Oh hey Shad.

You said in the previous thread that the FO had a master plan when the news came out about them not knowing what to do and pushing it to a later date. Seems like I had all the info I needed to know he was getting waived. Or was that the 5% I didnt know?

Clearly they feel they may have a better option that could shake loose. Its literally a win win situation. Either Bol stays or we get an upgrade and let him go.

So wheres the upgrade?

As i said previously, it was a win-win. They lose absolutely nothing by extending things out.

The level of arrogance one needs to have to truly believe they know more than a professional sporting teams entire front office with only about 5% of the information is absolutely mind-blowing to me. Good for you though.

[RookieStar]

I guess this means Kai will be signed.

Lengthy big man project

wouldn't hurt to give him a two way slot.....unless he looks like excrement

Well... we still signed that Teske dude despite looking like a turd 2 years back right?

[tooler]

I remember now that Bol was so happy that he had found a home last season. Now I'm sad.

[djguevara114]

What a classic WeltHam outcome.

Why the f*** they didnt move him before the trade deadline last year is a mystery. He had media attention, he was turning heads, had some unwarranted momentum behind him as the next great thing.

The FO and coaches had the privilege of seeing him in training amd knowing it was fools gold.

It was the moment to cash in. But, as we.have all come to know and love, this FO has different ideas. An allergy to maximising assets that demonstrates a commercial ineptitude that very few franchises could survive. If we manage to become good off our draft success alone, it'll be nothing short of a miracle. More probably we'll fall short because this FO is petrified to make a call that isnt waiving an asset they failed.to maximise.

This is spot on… I love that they are trying to build a culture, and I’m all for character, but Mr. Rodgers isn’t gonna fight and compete… We need to have a culture more like the Heat I still remember when the organization decided to be loyal and sign the always smiling Bo Outlaw instead of letting him walk and investing in Ben Wallace…

I get trying to respect T-Ross and letting him sign with a contender he wanted—but this organization sucks at wasting assets and/or holding on to them until they aren’t worth anything…

I actually think Fultz and Anthony could be vital pieces on a contender… My fear with our draft picks this year is we are planning on not paying them what they want so we used those picks now… Fultz is a unrestricted free agent and how often do teams get full value on a S&T… Watch us blow those assets too…

[SOUL]

I love all the talk of assets but Bamba is unsigned, Ross is unsigned, MCW is unsigned, Schofield is unsigned.. not everybody has this insane value people think they have, and at most it's like.. what.. some 10th 2nd round pick we could add? Sure, but seems pretty nitpicky.

[djguevara114]

What a classic WeltHam outcome.

Why the f*** they didnt move him before the trade deadline last year is a mystery. He had media attention, he was turning heads, had some unwarranted momentum behind him as the next great thing.

The FO and coaches had the privilege of seeing him in training amd knowing it was fools gold.

It was the moment to cash in. But, as we.have all come to know and love, this FO has different ideas. An allergy to maximising assets that demonstrates a commercial ineptitude that very few franchises could survive. If we manage to become good off our draft success alone, it'll be nothing short of a miracle. More probably we'll fall short because this FO is petrified to make a call that isnt waiving an asset they failed.to maximise.

This is spot on… I love that they are trying to build a culture, and I’m all for character, but Mr. Rodgers isn’t gonna fight and compete… We need to have a culture more like the Heat I still remember when the organization decided to be loyal and sign the always smiling Bo Outlaw instead of letting him walk and investing in Ben Wallace…

I get trying to respect T-Ross and letting him sign with a contender he wanted—but this organization sucks at wasting assets and/or holding on to them until they aren’t worth anything…

I actually think Fultz and Anthony could be vital pieces on a contender… My fear with our draft picks this year is we are planning on not paying them what they want so we used those picks now… Fultz is an unrestricted free agent and how often do teams get full value on a S&T (Cole)… Watch us blow those assets too…

[djguevara114]

I love all the talk of assets but Bamba is unsigned, Ross is unsigned, MCW is unsigned, Schofield is unsigned.. not everybody has this insane value people think they have, and at most it's like.. what.. some 10th 2nd round pick we could add? Sure, but seems pretty nitpicky.

I don’t think it’s being upset with their end value…

This front office continues to talk about culture and vision… Surely someone should expect a high/level front office to see who will fit into that and who won’t… Once you know they won’t, you sell when their value is highest… Bamba, Ross, and Bol all could have returned more than a total of one 2nd Round Pick and Pat Beverly…

[KillMonger]

I guess this means Kai will be signed.

Lengthy big man project

wouldn't hurt to give him a two way slot.....unless he looks like excrement

Well... we still signed that Teske dude despite looking like a turd 2 years back right?

well he must have been stool since i do not remember teske, wow....i even remember zimmerman and orton....teske slipped through the crack.....see what i did there?

[SOUL]

This front office continues to talk about culture and vision… Surely someone should expect a high/level front office to see who will fit into that and who won’t… Once you know they won’t, you sell when their value is highest… Bamba, Ross, and Bol all could have returned more than a total of one 2nd Round Pick and Pat Beverly…

This still benefits from having the foresight with the intent in mind to trade him.. if their intention the entire time was to eke out that value then yeah they should've traded him.. but I think by the trade deadline he lost that shimmer regardless

So I mean I do agree we should've got SOMETHING for him.. just think the ACTUAL value beyond a 2nd round pick or something meant trading him in December but that would've required them not wanting him at all despite his play

[JF5]

People need to relax... The Magic were one of the worst teams in the league when Bol was playing a crap ton of minutes.

And when he did he did EVERYTHING that negated winning basketball. He was a poor passer, didn't space the floor, played with blinders on when he did have the ball, and only played with one gear.

On top of that his defense on the perimeter and interior was absolutely atrocious on top of his poor defensive IQ. This primarily was the reason he lost all his minutes when the team was trying to win.

Bol is a talented scorer to a certain degree. But he's not a player in this iteration of his career where he's a guy who'd help your team win and is a borderline bench warmer/rotation player. He's a spectacle who at best would've netted the Magic 2nd round picks which would've been traded for cash, eventually.

It's not as major of a loss as you think.

[Ducklett]

5 guard line-up incoming!

[fendilim]

I guess this means Kai will be signed.

Lengthy big man project

wouldn't hurt to give him a two way slot.....unless he looks like excrement

Well... we still signed that Teske dude despite looking like a turd 2 years back right?

Sotto aint from Michigan though.

Someone needs to make a deep dive on the possible politicking of WeHam/ownership and Michigan players. Are the devos or any decision makers significant donators to Michigan university? I know the Devos’ are from Michigan.


Honestly though, with the arrival of Wemby, I think we’ll see an influx athletic length big man signings around the league. Especially once Wemby full develops.

Personally, I think WeHam is already looking forward to this thus the prioritization of positional size advantage.

[pepe1991]

I love all the talk of assets but Bamba is unsigned, Ross is unsigned, MCW is unsigned, Schofield is unsigned.. not everybody has this insane value people think they have, and at most it's like.. what.. some 10th 2nd round pick we could add? Sure, but seems pretty nitpicky.

Because they don't know how to sell high?

Bamba probably ( like, 99,998%) had value after 2 years in nba. They waited 5 to trade him. For nothing.
Ross was traded like year after guy aksed to be traded. Should have been traded when Vuc, Gordon; Evan were out.
Cumulative value of Gordon and Evan trades is-- Nuggets pick in 2025 and that's about it. ( we could have signed Harris as UFA outright anyway).


Basically only one player under them was traded at peak of his value, Vuc. All others were gone in moments their value went to zero.

9-10 months ago Bol averaged 31 mpg for a month and stuffed stat sheet. Month after he averaged 25 mpg. Month after 17 mpg.
If fans on forums were aware of fact we should trade ( even if return value isn't anything major) why our front office wasn't aware of it?

Maybe because they find "trades hard" and always do bare minimum required ?
How many years people will be apologists of front office who's record looks like this:



177-296

37% win rate

[shadrock]

I love all the talk of assets but Bamba is unsigned, Ross is unsigned, MCW is unsigned, Schofield is unsigned.. not everybody has this insane value people think they have, and at most it's like.. what.. some 10th 2nd round pick we could add? Sure, but seems pretty nitpicky.

Exactly! Sometimes a players value is literally just the contract you pay them and thats it. These 3rd or 4th stringers will never be traded for assets. Its just not reality. Just because fans do the head miles and think these guys will be the next big thing, doesnt mean front offices think the same way.

[drsd]

I wish the experiment could have continued, but I think Mo is better for this team. Bol is still super intriguing with skills and size, but giving him a defined role on a winning team is tough. I'm glad he was able to show that he has NBA caliber skills though.

For me this is the whole point: no more experimentation. Now it is about winning games. Only. That is the only goal this coming season.

[SOUL]

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It's not that they couldn't have eked out value from these guys, they could've, I just find it hard to believe people care that much about a future 2nd round pick that we aren't going to use.

Unless people can find receipts of them saying trade Bol in November for some prime young guy or something.. then I think they let him either play himself on or off of the team. They afforded the same luxury to Goga and he made the team. What are we going to say we should trade Goga as well if he plays well in November?

Someone even posted this on Toronto board:

I wonder if there will be a 17 page thread on the Magic board about losing an "asset" for nothing.

Seems like a very common occurrence because of something called "hope". Masai is one of the better drafting GMs out there, OKC has Presti who just let Poku lose all of his value.. teams with stars have let them lose all value by trading them too late. People on this forum constantly forget about the human aspect of all of this where they want Bol to be good enough to stay but can't just trade him at his best or not give him a chance to play through struggles either.

[drsd]

Can someone give me the synopsis why he was release? I thought orlando fans really liked him. The GB always talks about how good he is.

At a basic level, someone had to be released. Orlando had 16 players under contract. And Bol was chosen over Houstan.

Bol was fun when the Magic had no PGs. It was Bol-sanity, and was all we had the absence of actual winning. When the guards got healthy, Bol stayed in the rotation but his game totally collapsed. His shooting numbers cratered. It was painful.

Also: he never played a lick of defense. Yes he could get blocks against jump shooters. Yes when he set legal screens, he still took up 3 feet of lateral space, but he is effectively a SF. And opponent SFs can casually step around him.

If Bol wants a place in the league, he needs to get his shooting confidence back.