Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Raps in 4]

People keep pushing this point Scottie agenda and it makes no sense. What would he do with the ball in his hands? He doesn't have the quickness or handle to blow by perimeter players, and he can't shoot. His most effective on ball skill is backing down in the post and shooting a jump hook. Is he going to back down players from the 3pt line? Lol

He'd obviously need to develop his shot. But the rest of those skills aren't needed to play "PG" effectively (see Jokic).

What position does Jamal Murray play?

SG who takes on some PG responsibilities. The offence runs through Jokic.

[manjusaka]

I’m going through his best games. I really think him being the primary ball handler will take away what he does best.

He thrives in a secondary ball handling role. Wrecking havoc as a roll man.

He needs his Stephen Curry, Derarron Fox, Jamal Murray of the worlds. A great guard to have a duo tandem with. I wish the FO had the foresight to move Siakam for Hali at the time. That would of been the best passing young duo in the league for the next several years.

For this upcoming szn, I don’t mind them trying the Scottie PG experiment because on ball reps would be beneficial but ideal roster of the future is duo of an elite guard prospect and Scottie being the engine of the offence.

People keep pushing this point Scottie agenda and it makes no sense. What would he do with the ball in his hands? He doesn't have the quickness or handle to blow by perimeter players, and he can't shoot. His most effective on ball skill is backing down in the post and shooting a jump hook. Is he going to back down players from the 3pt line? Lol

He'd obviously need to develop his shot. But the rest of those skills aren't needed to play "PG" effectively (see Jokic).

Jokic isn’t a point guard, for SB to play Jokic’s role he would still need to work on his footwork. Jokic is great at both face-up and post-up. His game is what I had imagined of what Arvydas Sabonis would look like if he was still in prime when he came to the NBA. Of course, I know, Arvydas had better bounce.

[Raps in 4]

People keep pushing this point Scottie agenda and it makes no sense. What would he do with the ball in his hands? He doesn't have the quickness or handle to blow by perimeter players, and he can't shoot. His most effective on ball skill is backing down in the post and shooting a jump hook. Is he going to back down players from the 3pt line? Lol

He'd obviously need to develop his shot. But the rest of those skills aren't needed to play "PG" effectively (see Jokic).

Jokic isn’t a point guard, for SB to play Jokic’s role he would still need to work on his footwork. Jokic is great at both face-up and post-up. His game is what I had imagined of what Arvydas Sabonis would look like if he was still in prime when he came to the NBA. Of course, I know, Arvydas had better bounce.

He needs to work on a lot of things, but if he's going to be the team's offensive hub, it'll be in a Jokic-like role. Positions don't mean anything.

[vulture]

If Scottie can develop another move other than a right handed hook shot then we should consider that a successful season for him.
Expectations are low and he has a chance to not be the right handed thad Young. Let's see if he can live up to it.

[Los_29]

If Scottie can develop another move other than a right handed hook shot then we should consider that a successful season for him.
Expectations are low and he has a chance to not be the right handed thad Young. Let's see if he can live up to it.

It is pretty crazy how disappointing he was last season. He was worse from everywhere last year compared to his rookie season. Worse at the rim, worse from mid-range and worse from three.

[vulture]

If Scottie can develop another move other than a right handed hook shot then we should consider that a successful season for him.
Expectations are low and he has a chance to not be the right handed thad Young. Let's see if he can live up to it.

It is pretty crazy how disappointing he was last season. He was worse from everywhere last year compared to his rookie season. Worse at the rim, worse from mid-range and worse from three.

I called him one of the most disappointing players in the league last season and people here were all over me. He just has to improve his offensive game to not to be a liability in this league. I'm just talking about the regular season because the playoffs are just mental game.
If his shooting does not not come along we might witness another Ben Simmons situation where he has a mental block.

[manjusaka]

I’m in the minority, to think he should just working on his handle and footwork and dominating inside and the midrange. He doesn’t need to be a good outside shooter to succeed in the NBA. 32% on 3p would be just fine.

[Raps in 4]

If Scottie can develop another move other than a right handed hook shot then we should consider that a successful season for him.
Expectations are low and he has a chance to not be the right handed thad Young. Let's see if he can live up to it.

It is pretty crazy how disappointing he was last season. He was worse from everywhere last year compared to his rookie season. Worse at the rim, worse from mid-range and worse from three.

I called him one of the most disappointing players in the league last season and people here were all over me. He just has to improve his offensive game to not to be a liability in this league. I'm just talking about the regular season because the playoffs are just mental game.
If his shooting does not not come along we might witness another Ben Simmons situation where he has a mental block.

He was a 21 year-old hitting a sophomore wall. Calling him one of the most disappointing players in the league was asinine.

The toxicity on the team also contributed to everyone having a down year.

[Los_29]

If Scottie can develop another move other than a right handed hook shot then we should consider that a successful season for him.
Expectations are low and he has a chance to not be the right handed thad Young. Let's see if he can live up to it.

It is pretty crazy how disappointing he was last season. He was worse from everywhere last year compared to his rookie season. Worse at the rim, worse from mid-range and worse from three.

I called him one of the most disappointing players in the league last season and people here were all over me. He just has to improve his offensive game to not to be a liability in this league. I'm just talking about the regular season because the playoffs are just mental game.
If his shooting does not not come along we might witness another Ben Simmons situation where he has a mental block.

You saw a bit of it last year when teams weren't even defending him out on the perimeter and Scottie still wouldn't shoot the ball. That jumper needs to come along and teams need to respect it.

[vulture]

It is pretty crazy how disappointing he was last season. He was worse from everywhere last year compared to his rookie season. Worse at the rim, worse from mid-range and worse from three.

I called him one of the most disappointing players in the league last season and people here were all over me. He just has to improve his offensive game to not to be a liability in this league. I'm just talking about the regular season because the playoffs are just mental game.
If his shooting does not not come along we might witness another Ben Simmons situation where he has a mental block.

He was a 21 year-old hitting a sophomore wall. Calling him one of the most disappointing players in the league was asinine.

The toxicity on the team also contributed to everyone having a down year.

It doesn't change the fact that he regressed as a ROY. We can make all the excuses we want, but he was truly disappointing and the major cause of the down year for the team.
Stop making excuses man.

[DemHeavyHands]

I called him one of the most disappointing players in the league last season and people here were all over me. He just has to improve his offensive game to not to be a liability in this league. I'm just talking about the regular season because the playoffs are just mental game.
If his shooting does not not come along we might witness another Ben Simmons situation where he has a mental block.

He was a 21 year-old hitting a sophomore wall. Calling him one of the most disappointing players in the league was asinine.

The toxicity on the team also contributed to everyone having a down year.

It doesn't change the fact that he regressed as a ROY. We can make all the excuses we want, but he was truly disappointing and the major cause of the down year for the team.
Stop making excuses man.

Oh yeah, the 21 yr old sophomore who was jerked around and given an inconsistent role was the major reason this team sucked last year

Uh huh, no other factors, player(s), coach(es) played a bigger role, mainly Scottie



**** outta here with that narrative

[TheGeneral99]

If Scottie can develop another move other than a right handed hook shot then we should consider that a successful season for him.
Expectations are low and he has a chance to not be the right handed thad Young. Let's see if he can live up to it.

It is pretty crazy how disappointing he was last season. He was worse from everywhere last year compared to his rookie season. Worse at the rim, worse from mid-range and worse from three.

He struggled a bit early on, but played at a very high level in the last quarter of the season.

I think the difference is that teams game planned him a bit better last year and he didn't take teams by surprise as much. A lot of great players have had some difficulties adjusting in their 2nd season (see Tatum), but rebounded big time in year 3.

All in all Scottie overachieved big time in his rookie season and still had a very strong sophomore season, but underachieved relative to his rookie season.

I'm not falling into the conspiracies some other posters are, but I think it was difficult for Scottie to find a consistent role with Fred, Pascal, OG, and Gary needing enough shots.

The one critique I had of Scottie is that some games he looked incredibly dominant and aggressive while other games he was a bit passive and tended to defer too much. I'm hoping he improves his conditioning so he can remain aggressive for longer stretches and more consistently.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I think there were also some smaller improvements to Scottie's game last year that were more improvements of process rather than results.

His ballhandling is a good example. I thought his handle actually looked better last year, it just didn't necessarily result in the creation of much advantage off the dribble. It was as if he didn't quite know what to do with an improved handle to allow him to set guys up and leverage that to enable faster moves into the paint.

His shot also appeared to be coming out of his hands quicker than in his rookie year. Even though the numbers didn't improve, that should eventually result in him being able to get contested shots off the dribble off better.

Assuming he's refining skills this summer, I think we'll start to see the benefit of some of that work a bit more this year.

[Los_29]

He was a 21 year-old hitting a sophomore wall. Calling him one of the most disappointing players in the league was asinine.

The toxicity on the team also contributed to everyone having a down year.

It doesn't change the fact that he regressed as a ROY. We can make all the excuses we want, but he was truly disappointing and the major cause of the down year for the team.
Stop making excuses man.

Oh yeah, the 21 yr old sophomore who was jerked around and given an inconsistent role was the major reason this team sucked last year

Uh huh, no other factors, player(s), coach(es) played a bigger role, mainly Scottie



**** outta here with that narrative

How was he given an inconsistent role? Scottie was given even more responsibility than in his rookie season and he struggled mightily. Scottie had two months last year where his TS% was less than 50% (three if you include the month of April). I don't think people realize how bad that is for a forward.

[will]

We getting the truer version of Scottish.

Combo guard free, here we go!

[Raps in 4]

It doesn't change the fact that he regressed as a ROY. We can make all the excuses we want, but he was truly disappointing and the major cause of the down year for the team.
Stop making excuses man.

Oh yeah, the 21 yr old sophomore who was jerked around and given an inconsistent role was the major reason this team sucked last year

Uh huh, no other factors, player(s), coach(es) played a bigger role, mainly Scottie



**** outta here with that narrative

How was he given an inconsistent role? Scottie was given even more responsibility than in his rookie season and he struggled mightily. Scottie had two months last year where his TS% was less than 50% (three if you include the month of April). I don't think people realize how bad that is for a forward.

Again... 21 years old.

Your favourite player (and the team's 29 year-old veteran leader) was just 1.6% more efficient on the season. The team's other 29 year-old veteran leader wasn't much better either.

The team as a whole sucked last season. Pinning the blame on the 21 year-old sophomore is beyond stupid.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Oh yeah, the 21 yr old sophomore who was jerked around and given an inconsistent role was the major reason this team sucked last year

Uh huh, no other factors, player(s), coach(es) played a bigger role, mainly Scottie



**** outta here with that narrative

How was he given an inconsistent role? Scottie was given even more responsibility than in his rookie season and he struggled mightily. Scottie had two months last year where his TS% was less than 50% (three if you include the month of April). I don't think people realize how bad that is for a forward.

Again... 21 years old.

Your favourite player (and the team's 29 year-old leader) was just 1.6% more efficient on the season.

"thou that shan't be named"

[will]

Oh yeah, the 21 yr old sophomore who was jerked around and given an inconsistent role was the major reason this team sucked last year

Uh huh, no other factors, player(s), coach(es) played a bigger role, mainly Scottie



**** outta here with that narrative

How was he given an inconsistent role? Scottie was given even more responsibility than in his rookie season and he struggled mightily. Scottie had two months last year where his TS% was less than 50% (three if you include the month of April). I don't think people realize how bad that is for a forward.

Again... 21 years old.

Your favourite player (and the team's 29 year-old veteran leader) was just 1.6% more efficient on the season.

Tough to take the front seat when the offense is basically hijacked by one individual.

[TorontoBarneys]

Why does Scottie's nagging injury all season long never come into play regarding his effectiveness?

Curious.

[Raps in 4]

Why does Scottie's nagging injury all season long never come into play regarding his effectiveness?

Curious.

The haters say he's out of shape or faking it.

But Fred, he's a warrior. He's always injured.