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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1401 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Jul 6, 2023 8:50 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1402 » by Tha Cynic » Thu Jul 6, 2023 8:53 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.

The other thing is he's clearly projecting his dislike for the fans onto the players who the fans like lol. Again, just very emotional and always wants to win, even when that shouldn't be the expectation.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1403 » by tripa » Thu Jul 6, 2023 8:54 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.


Has he considered retiring and becoming a fulltime RealGM poster? He would fit in well with a certain group here (cant say their name).
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1404 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Jul 6, 2023 8:57 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.

The other thing is he's clearly projecting his dislike for the fans onto the players who the fans like lol. Again, just very emotional and always wants to win, even when that shouldn't be the expectation.


I've only ever listened to him a few times. Not my thing. Isn't he just a huge fan that parlayed that into this gig (which btw, is pretty awesome...good for him)? But with this whole FVV departure, he is coming across as unhinged.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1405 » by HiJiNX » Thu Jul 6, 2023 9:03 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:I think there were also some smaller improvements to Scottie's game last year that were more improvements of process rather than results.

His ballhandling is a good example. I thought his handle actually looked better last year, it just didn't necessarily result in the creation of much advantage off the dribble. It was as if he didn't quite know what to do with an improved handle to allow him to set guys up and leverage that to enable faster moves into the paint.

His shot also appeared to be coming out of his hands quicker than in his rookie year. Even though the numbers didn't improve, that should eventually result in him being able to get contested shots off the dribble off better.

Assuming he's refining skills this summer, I think we'll start to see the benefit of some of that work a bit more this year.

Turnaround jumper was also coming around toward the end of the season.

Anyway, he did have a disappointing season relative to his rookie campaign, but there were also lots of signs of growth. If anything, the process was better but the results waned since for whatever reason he just wasn’t converting on some midrange and restricted area looks that were automatic for him as a rookie. You expect that kind of stuff to bounce back.

Blaming Scottie for the underwhelming season is wild, though, haha. Only Siakam and OG didn't regress from the previous year, which says more about the team’s process and environment than it does about any individual player being at fault.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1406 » by will » Thu Jul 6, 2023 9:27 pm

Get ready, Scottish SZN is upon us.
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Post#1407 » by Los_29 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:41 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Scottie Barnes TS% last year: 52.4%
Average TS% for PFs last year: 59%
Average TS% for SFs last year: 57.7%

He was well below the league average for the positions that he played the most. Scottie has lots of upside and I am expecting him to turn it around in a big way in year 3. He isn't the only player to struggle in his 2nd season. Lots of excellent players had disappointing sophomore seasons and then broke out a year later. But to deny that he wasn't a major factor in the team's disappointing season is just crazy.


Fred VanVleet, 29 years old, earning $43 million next season, scored on 54% TS (average for PGs is 56%) thanks in large part to his abysmal 34% shooting from 3. I'd say that was a bigger problem than the 21 year-old third option on offence hitting a sophomore wall.

Siakam also scored on below league average efficiency (56.5% TS), and he was our highest usage player. Again, that was a much bigger problem than Scottie's play.


Scottie was well below the league average despite being the team’s 5th option offensively. It would have been even worse had he had more responsibility.

No one is saying Fred had a good year. Fred had a disappointing season and his poor shooting also played a role in the team’s struggles. But objectively speaking, Scottie had a much worse year. If you compare him to all of the top rookies from his class, he had the most disappointing season. Many of the top rookies dramatically improved their scoring efficiency (Giddey, Mobley, Wagner) and a guy like Green was just marginally worse from a year ago.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1408 » by HumbleRen » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:44 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.

The other thing is he's clearly projecting his dislike for the fans onto the players who the fans like lol. Again, just very emotional and always wants to win, even when that shouldn't be the expectation.


To be fair, this is his job lol.

Covering a rebuilding or tanking team is horrible for them from a monetization and coverage stand point.

It's literally to the media's benefit for the team to be a 40-45 win team opposed to being a rebuilding team for a couple of years.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1409 » by will » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:45 am

HumbleRen wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:
Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.

The other thing is he's clearly projecting his dislike for the fans onto the players who the fans like lol. Again, just very emotional and always wants to win, even when that shouldn't be the expectation.


To be fair, this is his job lol.

Covering a rebuilding or tanking team is horrible for them from a monetization and coverage stand point.

It's literally to the media's benefit for the team to be a 40-45 win team opposed to being a rebuilding team for a couple of years.


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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1410 » by HumbleRen » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:48 am

will wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.

The other thing is he's clearly projecting his dislike for the fans onto the players who the fans like lol. Again, just very emotional and always wants to win, even when that shouldn't be the expectation.


To be fair, this is his job lol.

Covering a rebuilding or tanking team is horrible for them from a monetization and coverage stand point.

It's literally to the media's benefit for the team to be a 40-45 win team opposed to being a rebuilding team for a couple of years.


Company man gots to company man.

Ain't even mad.


Aye man, if my job on the line lmao.

You damn right I want to the team to win at any costs :lol:
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1411 » by Spates » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:03 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


He's an extremely emotional person if you listen to him.

Also all his takes are based on the team winning every year. He does not ever want to take a step back, so he would rather be stuck in treadmill. Even for this season, he's looking at it as if this team is supposed to be a winning team that accomplishes something. He's not understanding that the team is expected to take a more development stage and winning is secondary.

The other thing is he's clearly projecting his dislike for the fans onto the players who the fans like lol. Again, just very emotional and always wants to win, even when that shouldn't be the expectation.

Man, I've heard Will say on his podcast that we should move on from Fred. I've no idea why the narrative has changed.

Also, so many pundits praising Houston signing Fred while criticizing signing Brooks because of selfish play and bad shooting numbers. American media does not watch the Raptors.

There were only two teams interested.....
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1412 » by DG88 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:11 am

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Post#1413 » by HumbleRen » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:19 am

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1414 » by Tripod » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:27 am

Good. You want the ball in the hands of an unselfish guy with high IQ. It's also why Yak is good too.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1415 » by bluerap23 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:38 am

MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.

I don’t know. I think I just listened to the same show and he literally blamed Pascal, Fred, Scottie and the “young guys” equally. It’s pretty bizarre though that the Scottie thread is still talking about Fred a week after he is gone. Man owns a lot of real estate in the hater’s heads.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1416 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:38 am

Scottie has an opportunity to become the young leader of the team this year. Most of the guys on the team are passive guys now.

Siakam, OG, Poeltl, GTJ, Thad, Scottie.

Lol out of that group I can't see anyone other than Scottie to really grow into that role.
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Post#1417 » by Los_29 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 2:25 am

MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


This thread is a good example of that with their attachment to Scottie. LOL. I didn't hear what Will Lou said but why is that theory any crazier than some of the ones we've been hearing on here? The reality is we don't know what happened.
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Post#1418 » by junot111 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 2:28 am

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junot111 wrote:
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He'd obviously need to develop his shot. But the rest of those skills aren't needed to play "PG" effectively (see Jokic).

What position does Jamal Murray play?


SG who takes on some PG responsibilities. The offence runs through Jokic.

Just because the offense runs through Jokic doesn't mean he's the pg lol. So Tim Duncan was the pg while Tony Parker was just taking on PG responsibilities?

Scottie is not a PG man
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1419 » by DemHeavyHands » Fri Jul 7, 2023 2:29 am

Los_29 wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:William Lou is on the radio blaming Scottie and the young guys again lol. Apparently Fred and Pascal were the ones trying to win and the young guys were the selfish ones. This team needs a huge overhaul not just for this team but for the media to lose their attachment to some of these players they're obsessed with.

He was kind of led by a hockey guy with his questioning, but the toxicity created by the media for the players left here is going to be interesting. Masai will have to not just navigate the team issues, but also the media and how they lead fans.


Imagine being a grown man and THAT attached to a player. I don't get it, maybe it's an age thing.


This thread is a good example of that with their attachment to Scottie. LOL. I didn't hear what Will Lou said but why is that theory any crazier than some of the ones we've been hearing on here? The reality is we don't know what happened.

Bro you’re entire existence on this forum is the greatest example of any person being attached to Fred :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1420 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jul 7, 2023 2:30 am

Giving Scottie a bigger role was the right move in his 3rd season else you are wasting his and teams time. Kid needs to grow and develop and yes there will be struggles especially being a lead ball handler but thats the price for long term success of the player

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