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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24 

Post#1621 » by Hal14 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:06 pm

Just sayin. I'd rather pay Porzingis $30 mil a year than JB $50 mil a year.

At that point, Tatum and Brown would be making a combined 70 percent of the salary cap combined and Porzingis’s $30 million pushes that to about 90 percent of the cap right as the team enters repeater territory with the luxury tax (far stiffer spending penalties for tax teams). To put it bluntly, unless Celtics’ ownership is willing to pay record-breaking money in tax penalties (think Clippers or Warriors the last few years), building a championship-level roster with all those three on the books will be a very stiff challenge starting in 2025. Robert Williams and Jordan Walsh would be the only other players under contract at that point.

It’s a very good bet that Brown’s camp is aware of all this and knows there is a reasonable chance that Brown could be the odd man out in Boston when this spending problem surfaces.


The equation becomes a lot easier if the Celtics win a title in the next two years with Brown. Maybe then, Porzingis is moved and the Celtics build around their star duo. Or they get creative with smaller contracts to build around all three if they are proven winners together. If they aren’t though, reshaping the roster in 2025 may make a lot more sense for Boston’s brass with Porzingis as a cheaper No. 2 option next to Tatum rather than Brown on a supermax deal if he shows he is a good fit this year.

Ultimately, the Celtics should still have the leverage in this spot since Brown would be costing himself tens of millions by playing hardball here on any of these specific terms. However, the math shows it’s far from a sure thing that Brown will remain a Celtic for the entirety of his next deal and the acquisition of Porzingis last month likely reduced those odds.


https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-kristaps-porzingis-trade-to-celtics-may-impact-jaylen-brown-extension-talks.html
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Post#1622 » by playa-hater » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:13 pm

Hal14 wrote:Just sayin. I'd rather pay Porzingis $30 mil a year than JB $50 mil a year.

At that point, Tatum and Brown would be making a combined 70 percent of the salary cap combined and Porzingis’s $30 million pushes that to about 90 percent of the cap right as the team enters repeater territory with the luxury tax (far stiffer spending penalties for tax teams). To put it bluntly, unless Celtics’ ownership is willing to pay record-breaking money in tax penalties (think Clippers or Warriors the last few years), building a championship-level roster with all those three on the books will be a very stiff challenge starting in 2025. Robert Williams and Jordan Walsh would be the only other players under contract at that point.

It’s a very good bet that Brown’s camp is aware of all this and knows there is a reasonable chance that Brown could be the odd man out in Boston when this spending problem surfaces.


The equation becomes a lot easier if the Celtics win a title in the next two years with Brown. Maybe then, Porzingis is moved and the Celtics build around their star duo. Or they get creative with smaller contracts to build around all three if they are proven winners together. If they aren’t though, reshaping the roster in 2025 may make a lot more sense for Boston’s brass with Porzingis as a cheaper No. 2 option next to Tatum rather than Brown on a supermax deal if he shows he is a good fit this year.

Ultimately, the Celtics should still have the leverage in this spot since Brown would be costing himself tens of millions by playing hardball here on any of these specific terms. However, the math shows it’s far from a sure thing that Brown will remain a Celtic for the entirety of his next deal and the acquisition of Porzingis last month likely reduced those odds.


https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-kristaps-porzingis-trade-to-celtics-may-impact-jaylen-brown-extension-talks.html


The shame is that JB will average closer to 60 million as well.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24 

Post#1623 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:30 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Just sayin. I'd rather pay Porzingis $30 mil a year than JB $50 mil a year.

At that point, Tatum and Brown would be making a combined 70 percent of the salary cap combined and Porzingis’s $30 million pushes that to about 90 percent of the cap right as the team enters repeater territory with the luxury tax (far stiffer spending penalties for tax teams). To put it bluntly, unless Celtics’ ownership is willing to pay record-breaking money in tax penalties (think Clippers or Warriors the last few years), building a championship-level roster with all those three on the books will be a very stiff challenge starting in 2025. Robert Williams and Jordan Walsh would be the only other players under contract at that point.

It’s a very good bet that Brown’s camp is aware of all this and knows there is a reasonable chance that Brown could be the odd man out in Boston when this spending problem surfaces.


The equation becomes a lot easier if the Celtics win a title in the next two years with Brown. Maybe then, Porzingis is moved and the Celtics build around their star duo. Or they get creative with smaller contracts to build around all three if they are proven winners together. If they aren’t though, reshaping the roster in 2025 may make a lot more sense for Boston’s brass with Porzingis as a cheaper No. 2 option next to Tatum rather than Brown on a supermax deal if he shows he is a good fit this year.

Ultimately, the Celtics should still have the leverage in this spot since Brown would be costing himself tens of millions by playing hardball here on any of these specific terms. However, the math shows it’s far from a sure thing that Brown will remain a Celtic for the entirety of his next deal and the acquisition of Porzingis last month likely reduced those odds.


https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-kristaps-porzingis-trade-to-celtics-may-impact-jaylen-brown-extension-talks.html


The shame is that JB will average closer to 60 million as well.


Not until his 3rd year. First year would be around 48 million

By that year the cap is going to be flirting with 172 million
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Post#1624 » by darrendaye » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:33 pm

Hal14 wrote:Just sayin. I'd rather pay Porzingis $30 mil a year than JB $50 mil a year.

At that point, Tatum and Brown would be making a combined 70 percent of the salary cap combined and Porzingis’s $30 million pushes that to about 90 percent of the cap right as the team enters repeater territory with the luxury tax (far stiffer spending penalties for tax teams). To put it bluntly, unless Celtics’ ownership is willing to pay record-breaking money in tax penalties (think Clippers or Warriors the last few years), building a championship-level roster with all those three on the books will be a very stiff challenge starting in 2025. Robert Williams and Jordan Walsh would be the only other players under contract at that point.

It’s a very good bet that Brown’s camp is aware of all this and knows there is a reasonable chance that Brown could be the odd man out in Boston when this spending problem surfaces.


The equation becomes a lot easier if the Celtics win a title in the next two years with Brown. Maybe then, Porzingis is moved and the Celtics build around their star duo. Or they get creative with smaller contracts to build around all three if they are proven winners together. If they aren’t though, reshaping the roster in 2025 may make a lot more sense for Boston’s brass with Porzingis as a cheaper No. 2 option next to Tatum rather than Brown on a supermax deal if he shows he is a good fit this year.

Ultimately, the Celtics should still have the leverage in this spot since Brown would be costing himself tens of millions by playing hardball here on any of these specific terms. However, the math shows it’s far from a sure thing that Brown will remain a Celtic for the entirety of his next deal and the acquisition of Porzingis last month likely reduced those odds.


https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-kristaps-porzingis-trade-to-celtics-may-impact-jaylen-brown-extension-talks.html


I do wonder if this is an all-in one season situation or two season situation. If Brogdon isn't moved this off-season, he certainly should be next off-season as they aren't re-signing him with what's ahead.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24 

Post#1625 » by jordb2k7 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:52 pm

darrendaye wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Just sayin. I'd rather pay Porzingis $30 mil a year than JB $50 mil a year.

At that point, Tatum and Brown would be making a combined 70 percent of the salary cap combined and Porzingis’s $30 million pushes that to about 90 percent of the cap right as the team enters repeater territory with the luxury tax (far stiffer spending penalties for tax teams). To put it bluntly, unless Celtics’ ownership is willing to pay record-breaking money in tax penalties (think Clippers or Warriors the last few years), building a championship-level roster with all those three on the books will be a very stiff challenge starting in 2025. Robert Williams and Jordan Walsh would be the only other players under contract at that point.

It’s a very good bet that Brown’s camp is aware of all this and knows there is a reasonable chance that Brown could be the odd man out in Boston when this spending problem surfaces.


The equation becomes a lot easier if the Celtics win a title in the next two years with Brown. Maybe then, Porzingis is moved and the Celtics build around their star duo. Or they get creative with smaller contracts to build around all three if they are proven winners together. If they aren’t though, reshaping the roster in 2025 may make a lot more sense for Boston’s brass with Porzingis as a cheaper No. 2 option next to Tatum rather than Brown on a supermax deal if he shows he is a good fit this year.

Ultimately, the Celtics should still have the leverage in this spot since Brown would be costing himself tens of millions by playing hardball here on any of these specific terms. However, the math shows it’s far from a sure thing that Brown will remain a Celtic for the entirety of his next deal and the acquisition of Porzingis last month likely reduced those odds.


https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-kristaps-porzingis-trade-to-celtics-may-impact-jaylen-brown-extension-talks.html


I do wonder if this is an all-in one season situation or two season situation. If Brogdon isn't moved this off-season, he certainly should be next off-season as they aren't re-signing him with what's ahead.


Could be but if we are going to do this I really wanna go ALL IN. Use all the picks and every available asset we have to improve the roster.
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Post#1626 » by return2glory » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:32 pm

Who cares about Dame. Talk about someone else. I get it's a slow summer, but come on. We already got in a big trade. We landed Porzingis. Most of our money is tied up into Tatum, Porzingis and soon to be Brown.

SL team isn't fun to watch because he haven't had a 1st round pick we drafted in years. People were hyped about JD. He isn't getting minutes over White, Brogdon, Pritchard or Banton. JD is too far away to play well in the NBA. It's only 2 SL games, but he looks like he took a step back.

There are talks about Walsh looking great. He doesn't look great. He looks solid. Nothing more, nothing less. Most of you guys have forgotten about what a really good rookie looks like.
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Post#1627 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:34 pm

return2glory wrote:Who cares about Dame. Talk about someone else. I get it's a slow summer, but come on. We already got in a big trade. We landed Porzingis. Most of our money is tied up into Tatum, Porzingis and soon to be Brown.

SL team isn't fun to watch because he haven't had a 1st round pick we drafted in years. People were hyped about JD. He isn't getting minutes over White, Brogdon, Pritchard or Banton. JD is too far away to play well in the NBA. It's only 2 SL games, but he looks like he took a step back.

There are talks about Walsh looking great. He doesn't look great. He looks solid. Nothing more, nothing less. Most of you guys have forgotten about what a really good rookie looks like.

Yeah because Walsh looks better than any Celtics rookie in the last ten years other than Tatum.
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Post#1628 » by 165bows » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:42 pm

return2glory wrote:Who cares about Dame. Talk about someone else. I get it's a slow summer, but come on. We already got in a big trade. We landed Porzingis. Most of our money is tied up into Tatum, Porzingis and soon to be Brown.

SL team isn't fun to watch because he haven't had a 1st round pick we drafted in years. People were hyped about JD. He isn't getting minutes over White, Brogdon, Pritchard or Banton. JD is too far away to play well in the NBA. It's only 2 SL games, but he looks like he took a step back.

There are talks about Walsh looking great. He doesn't look great. He looks solid. Nothing more, nothing less. Most of you guys have forgotten about what a really good rookie looks like.

Agree with most of this (idk why but the Lillard talk is boring to me, either do it or don’t do it), but I’m buying all the Jordan Walsh stock I can get my hands on.

Being solid is great when you are just about the youngest guy in the league. Jabari Smith kind of stunk last year all year but now he’s going to the summer league hall of fame.
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Post#1629 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:51 pm

Jaylen Brown & Timelord & Brogdon to Raptors for Siakam & OG & Gradey Dick.
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Post#1630 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:08 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
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Screw this guy. Send him to anywhere but Miami and I'll be happy. Just on principle.


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Post#1631 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:24 am

No one else (other than Heat) actively trying to acquire Dame, per Windy. It's gonna be a slow process, per Woj.



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Post#1632 » by Green89 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:32 am

I still say we're shopping JB and it's not for Dame. Probably either someone we haven't heard break in the news yet, or someone like Siakam. I think we can beat any Indy trade for him.
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Post#1633 » by CelticsPride18 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:32 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:No one else (other than Heat) actively trying to acquire Dame, per Windy. It's gonna be a slow process, per Woj.





He’s getting traded a week before training camp
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Post#1634 » by Green89 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:40 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
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NuckyPowell wrote:Screw this guy. Send him to anywhere but Miami and I'll be happy. Just on principle.


NBA Central doesn't break anything. They retweet other stories. By them not quoting any source here, shows it's probably just clickbait.

Read on Twitter


Love these clickbait false tweets. What Shams said was "I think the answer has been a resounding no" when talking about Clips and Celtics having an interest. Anyone who starts a sentence off with "I think" is not 100% sure. Yet, the tweet quotes Shams as saying "it's been a resounding no."

"I think the answer has been a resounding no."

Is a completely different sentence than:

"It's been a resounding no."

I don't know what I hate more about the Dame saga. Twisting all the info around like this in order to get clicks, or Dame and his agent playing bully ball. Both are nauseating at this point.
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Post#1635 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:44 am

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Post#1636 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:48 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:No one else (other than Heat) actively trying to acquire Dame, per Windy. It's gonna be a slow process, per Woj.






I do not believe that no other team is asking or trying.

Thats just would make zero sense.
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Post#1637 » by snowman » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:53 am

Guys, just say no to anything Dame related. I would consider trading Brown, but not for Dame. Just doesn't fit a timeline as one of our top pieces. I would consider trading Brown for 2 smaller contracts, but they both would have to be all stars, or borderline all stars and picks. And it couldn't include anyone under 6'5. No more short guards, period. It would have to be an overpay from the other team, and I doubt that would happen.

In addition, I would give Brown a player option on the fifth year, but no way would I give him a no trade clause. The mess with Bradley Beal showed why you don't do this.
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Post#1638 » by Bar Fight » Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:01 am

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Post#1639 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:08 am

Green89 wrote:I still say we're shopping JB and it's not for Dame. Probably either someone we haven't heard break in the news yet, or someone like Siakam. I think we can beat any Indy trade for him.

Maybe Mikal Bridges..
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Post#1640 » by BK_2020 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:14 am

snowman wrote:Guys, just say no to anything Dame related. I would consider trading Brown, but not for Dame. Just doesn't fit a timeline as one of our top pieces. I would consider trading Brown for 2 smaller contracts, but they both would have to be all stars, or borderline all stars and picks. And it couldn't include anyone under 6'5. No more short guards, period. It would have to be an overpay from the other team, and I doubt that would happen.

In addition, I would give Brown a player option on the fifth year, but no way would I give him a no trade clause. The mess with Bradley Beal showed why you don't do this.

Why would anyone trade two all-stars making $15 mil. or so for Jaylen Brown

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