Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku

[greg4012]

The second Dame folds and adds more teams then the real games begin. We have the best package out of the one team Dame selected .

Once other teams get involved basically it's over for us so duh we are motivated.

There isn't going to be a team that offers Portland what they want. No one waiting to get it line to pay 36 year old Dame 63 million dollars.

Portland is holding out hope that Dame opens his list so that they can receive **** sandwich offers from those teams too!

The Nets are interested. The Clippers are interested so are other teams. Teams are just waiting for this charade to end. Once Dame folds which either will or won't happen, then the fun begins. Say the Nets get added to the list, do you honestly still feel our offer will win? Yeah thats why we are "motivated"

Nets source?

Only rumblings I’ve seen on the Nets with the Dame deal involves the Nets being interested in helping Miami get Dame.

We’ve been over how the Nets dealing a haul for Dame makes little bball sense dozens of times on here.

[greg4012]

Fair, but I think OKCs young guys are further along than Cleveland's. Specifically SGA, who already made All-NBA First Team. If he takes another leap as expected, they're gonna be serious.

SGA > Garland, but Cleveland's young front court is formidable.

Agreed. Also, I'm not saying Dame makes them immediate title contenders, but it's an interesting thought that nobody is talking about. I could see them making a Kings-like improvement this year without Dame, so it's conceivable they'd be a year away with him.

No one is talking about it bc it’s not going to happen. Media need to drum up content to fill air time to sell advertising.

[Heat_team02]

I think we should sign Brady Manek or Kabengele from the Hawks Summer League squad.

[wade44]

Waiting it out until the deadline is the play right now. I have a feeling Dame’s stats are going to go way down with more mouths to feed in Portland and all of a sudden a 33 year old on a massive contract does not look nearly as valuable. Thankfully Heat are a patient organization that knows it’s got Portland right where they want them

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Murray and Ja are what?

Have you already forgotten how Murray & Jokic tore us apart. Dame isn't going to Denver. Forget it.

Ja is a freak but he's excellent.

If I am building a team and can choose any point guard in the league, I would probably take Dame fifth. I have Steph, SGA, Ja, and Luka as better. Fox in Sacramento is about the same. Garland and Brunson, too, are very good. I'm not as excited about Lillard as most of you are.

Murray had 2 big games in the finals and then Spo put Bam on him and it was downhill from there, the main difference was our inability to score and their “other guys” stepping up and having huge games to compliment Jokic.

You saying Murray is better than Lillard is flat out wrong.

Curry is better; you want to say Luka? Sure that’s fair. Ja and SGA aren’t although if I had to choose I’d rather get SGA because of age despite Lillard being a far better fit.

Fox isn’t. Garland and Brunson aren’t.

That’s your opinion and that’s fine; it’s just wrong though. Lillard is arguably top 10 in the league and at worst the 3rd best PG.

[KingDavid]

Here's an idea mods may want to run past Howard ... instead of outright banning people who can't get along, enable mods to ban them from viewing each other's posts. I don't know if the board software allows it, but it would save you guys a ton of headaches without continuing to thin out activity.

Everyone has the power to Add Foe. They can add users to it in order to not see their posts. Problem is when the foe in question is quoted, the post can be still be seen by those that want to ignore the foe's posts.

All you have to do is click someone's username and select "Add Foe". Done.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Oh I see now, you’re talking about who would or wouldn’t trade for Dame and why? Yea I agree, I’ve been saying the same thing and it’s part of why we’re one of the few and best fits for Dame. Wouldn’t make sense for those teams to trade their young PGs for an older PG despite how much better he may be

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I am very worried about Dame's defensive game, which is abysmal. Even Fox is better.

We’ve been playing horrible defenders like Herro Lowry Duncan and Strus heavy minutes for years. Even Gabe; his reputation was built off that first hawks series but honestly he’s small and an ass defender, he couldn’t slow down Brunson or Murray even a little.

Things will be fine and we’ll have a top 10 defense for sure, Dame will probably be the only negative defender in the starting lineup, Spo knew why he needed to bring JRich back

[KingDavid]

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The more time is wasted, the increased likelihood his value begins to drop. I don't think Miami is low-balling. I think Cronin wants too much for a 33 y/o on a fresh max contract who probably only has a few years left of elite play. Dame undercut Cronin's negotiation power by stating he only wants to play here and threatening other teams off from trading for him, but he still wants a package as if there's a mountain of teams clamoring to trade for Dame.

[IceColdCubano]

I am very worried about Dame's defensive game, which is abysmal. Even Fox is better.

We’ve been playing horrible defenders like Herro Lowry Duncan and Strus heavy minutes for years. Even Gabe; his reputation was built off that first hawks series but honestly he’s small and an ass defender, he couldn’t slow down Brunson or Murray even a little.

Things will be fine and we’ll have a top 10 defense for sure, Dame will probably be the only negative defender in the starting lineup, Spo knew why he needed to bring JRich back

Yeah, this is not a worry we played Lowry and Gabe Vincent together crunchtime minutes in the playoffs with Struss or Duncan in the lineup, you couldn't get any worse on perimeter or post defense. Your essentially replacing Herro net negative defender for positive defender in Richardson. Your swaping Lowry for Lillard, and even if by some metric Lowry is better with his big booty and constant ball hawking poking, Lillard will score 5 times more with better efficiency. Also because we let Gabe go, if force Spo to go to another player instead of watching Lillard and Gabe backcourt in crunch time. Our Crunch time Lineups will ultimately be Lillard, Richardson, Jimmy, Caleb, Bam. 4 plus defenders plus Lillard, however Lillard will usually outscore the guy he is going up against so that's never going to be an issue.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Daffy]

https://heatnation.com/team-news/gabe-vincent-says-he-left-miami-heat-for-los-angeles-lakers-to-join-a-contending-team/



This had to be taken out of context for clicks....I hope.

[HIF]

I got a good feeling about today boys.

Sure hope so Daffy. My thread is down to 18 pages remaining.

Gonna be a fat L if I don’t deliver

A Fat Lever?

[contract]

https://heatnation.com/team-news/gabe-vincent-says-he-left-miami-heat-for-los-angeles-lakers-to-join-a-contending-team/



This had to be taken out of context for clicks....I hope.

I'm guessing money had something to do with it too.

[greg4012]

I recommend the most recent Locked on Blazers podcast for perspective from the other side on Cronin's actions and recent media appearance.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3VcOCZdgmx76lcmPuIpLKC?si=618e9b1a722f49a1

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In short:
- Cronin doing a good job operating in best interest of Blazers
- Maybe Cronin believes his words when he says them, but his track record backs his actions deviating substantially from his words to Dame and to the public
- In Cronin's recent trade history, he has gotten Blazers players to teams that they would like to join (McCollum & Hart)
- Host strongly believes Dame will end up in Miami and doesn't buy that it will be "months"

[gom]

Here's an idea mods may want to run past Howard ... instead of outright banning people who can't get along, enable mods to ban them from viewing each other's posts. I don't know if the board software allows it, but it would save you guys a ton of headaches without continuing to thin out activity.

They can avoid each other with one click of a button but choose not. They weirdly want this, so it satisfies (fairly harmlessly) an inner rage.

Life has weird truths:

Peacocks must display. Sociologists require data. Mods suffer.

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“We got shooters, we got shooters”.
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[Rapaz]

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[RexBoyWonder]

The truth is most of us are guilty of the same crime we assign to Cronin :

We overestimate the objective value of 33YO Lilard on his current contract.

Lilard is a great scorer, he's also tough and likable.

He's also a 33YO tiny guard owed 200+ Mil$ until he's 36 YO, after missing a lot of time in recent years and being a minus defender even now before his decline worsens.

Simply put - there are dozens, yes dozens of higher value contract in the NBA.

That's why other teams aren't offering the entire farm for him, and it's why we shouldn't mortgage our entire future for him either.

A very good player, but small, getting old, on a MASSIVE guaranteed contract. That's the full picture here.

We want him, but you can't act desperate under these circumstances.